Re: Holley Street Dominator modification
[Re: TonyS451]
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I know Streetwize has done some modifications and testing on a street dominator intake. Maybe he will chime in and post some pics. I followed his suggestions and home modified one a few years ago. Most of the work was in the plenum area and blend into the runners. I never personally did any before or after testing, but the plenum area does have a lot of material that can be removed for a smoother shot to the runners. Did the same thing myself with Streetwize help.
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Re: Holley Street Dominator modification
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The SD looks like it will take a TQ but it won't. So it isn't actually a spread bore intake or a square bore. Street or Strip Dominator? I have a "B" Street Dominator that is a spread and works with a TQ and the correct TQ gasket. I meant Strip Dominator. Sorry for the kornfusion. I have never checked a BB intake to see if the TQ fits, but I've never seen a TQ fit the Strip Dominator without modifications, and sometimes welding.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: Holley Street Dominator modification
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One more pic that shows the plenum of my Hughes plenum-modified RB M1 intake. This is NOT how it came from Hughes, and I ended up putting quite a bit more time into the intake, primarily runner sizing and entry work. That's what I do. I only do it if it port the entire intake, because the times I have tested it, if you don't do it all, there is almost no power. And I've tested it both ways...porting the intake without fixing the top and fixing the top without porting. There is always a gain when you do both. I typed that out and confused myself. If you separate it all out, you need to port the intake to see any benefit to fixing the top. At least in my testing. I've seen 35-40 HP from just porting the intake and another 12-15 from fixing the top. Also, the tune up is easier when you fix the top. I charge $850 to port the intake and weld the top. It's a PITA but it's worth it. Convincing guys to do it is another thing.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: Holley Street Dominator modification
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I still have it, and I probably flowed it at some point, but don't recall any of that info.
It wouldn't flow as well as, or likely make as much power as a Victor with an adapter for a 4500.
This is another one of those "I'd have to go digging for the paperwork to be sure" things, but IIRC we tested that intake w/ a standard 1050 Dominator during our last dyno session, and it made about the same power as your CFS annular 4150 on my plenum-ported Victor did... 620+ HP & 580-ish torque? It was just a quick swap and no time was spent trying to tune the 1050, which I seem to recall as showing a bit lean when I looked over the A/F ratios on the printout later.
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Re: Holley Street Dominator modification
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I know Streetwize has done some modifications and testing on a street dominator intake. Maybe he will chime in and post some pics. I followed his suggestions and home modified one a few years ago. Most of the work was in the plenum area and blend into the runners. I never personally did any before or after testing, but the plenum area does have a lot of material that can be removed for a smoother shot to the runners. Bobby loaned me a Street Dominator that I tested last summer. Back to back weekends as cast vs. ported, I consistently picked up a 1/10 in e.t. and 1 mph. I purchased it and it is on my car now. Translates to 12-ish HP?
'63 Dodge 330 11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs. 10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.
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Re: Holley Street Dominator modification
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Looks great! Are you going to smooth the transition from the car flange to the plenum a bit? That's the plan. It'll be a couple weeks before I get around to it though. The transmission in our daily driver took a crap so I'm elbow deep in that project right now. Mix that with being in the air conditioning industry this time of year and free time is a bit hard to come by. I'll keep you guys posted though as I make progress. I'll be anxious to compare the two intakes to see how much the mods are really worth.
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Re: Holley Street Dominator modification
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Nice looking work on that intake so far.
It'll be interesting to see what kind of difference you see in track performance.
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Re: Holley Street Dominator modification
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Got my intake back from the machinist today. I had him weld up the intake plenum and close up the EGR holes that were left when I cut the EGR garbage off. I'll keep you guys updated as things progress. I see a LOT of in your future.
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Re: Holley Street Dominator modification
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I see a LOT of in your future. True story. It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't aluminum. I probably spend as much time cleaning the bits as I do actually grinding. I was told to try bar soap on the bits to prevent loading them up with aluminum. Anybody have any other suggestions or know if there's any truth to the soap trick?
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Re: Holley Street Dominator modification
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I see a LOT of in your future. True story. It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't aluminum. I probably spend as much time cleaning the bits as I do actually grinding. I was told to try bar soap on the bits to prevent loading them up with aluminum. Anybody have any other suggestions or know if there's any truth to the soap trick? Sounds like your bits are too fine.. but you can use WD40 also.. either spray them or get a small bucket and dip the bits in and let them drip off for a minute then use it.. I just spray them but it cost a touch more this way
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Re: Holley Street Dominator modification
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Re: Holley Street Dominator modification
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I use to use soap when I was cutting a lot of alum with a circular saw(I use to build Burger Kings and did the windows so I did a lot of alum cutting.. but I use WD when grinding alum.. but the bits have to be right also.. fine will load up pretty easy.. but a course but wants to catch
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Re: Holley Street Dominator modification
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I see a LOT of in your future. True story. It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't aluminum. I probably spend as much time cleaning the bits as I do actually grinding. I was told to try bar soap on the bits to prevent loading them up with aluminum. Anybody have any other suggestions or know if there's any truth to the soap trick? I did some SERIOUS work on a W-9 intake.. it was the first one cast and they were gonna pitch it so I grabbed it and started playing with it.. it was easier to cut it in half to work on it then weld it back together EDIT I modified this to fit a dominator which wasnt normally done
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Re: Holley Street Dominator modification
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Just a quick update...
I spent some time this afternoon blending the runners into the plenum. The picture doesn't do it much justice, nor am I finished but the corners are coming along.
I'm leaning towards thinning the dividers down a bit but will probably try to keep them more rounded than knife edged. I was told knife edging was actually worse for flow although I personally haven't tested that theory.
I missed your last post Mr. P but I can imagine cutting the intake in half made things a ton easier to work on. Part of me wants to keep track of how many hours I'll have in this intake, the other half doesn't. Hope it's worth the hassle in the end. Time will tell I suppose. Coming along nicely. Make sure the port has some taper. It should be bigger at the plenum than at the flange. Not sure you can get as much as you need without more welding, but get what you can.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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