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Tubes or no tubes? #213692 02/04/09 10:25 AM 02/04/09 10:25 AM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 724 PA USA F flatiron OP super stock
flatiron OP super stock F Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 724 PA USA	I'm looking at buying my first set of slicks to run in street and sportsman class. So they must be D.O.T approved. Which way should I go tubes or not? Whats the pros and cons of each. They will be going on a 67 Coronet BB with a 727 and SS springs

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: flatiron] #213693 02/04/09 10:33 AM 02/04/09 10:33 AM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,165 Left Coast B BobR master
BobR master B Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,165 Left Coast	I haven't used tubes in any tires in years. My present racer is an Outlaw 10.5 car. We use 33/10.5W-16 tires on 16" wide double beedlocks. Car has run in the 6's at 206. No tubes. Nobody that races with us uses tubes. For bracket racing there is less of a reason to not use them.

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: flatiron] #213694 02/04/09 10:52 AM 02/04/09 10:52 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	I've never played with a DOT tire but in my car I've run with and without tubes. With the tubes it gave me a stiffer side wall and increased the life of the side walls by a good 40%-50% more runs. When I get rid of my tires there's plenty of rubber left but the sides are going away

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #213695 02/04/09 11:01 AM 02/04/09 11:01 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 16,487 On the run… BloFish I Live Here
BloFish I Live Here Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 16,487 On the run…	I run tubes in mine, for the stiffer side wall, and not having to worry about leaking air It really doesn't matter whether you win or lose… as long as you look good doing it! ‘65 A100 ‘69 ‘Cuda ‘73 Vega GT ‘06 Mega Cab ‘14 Mercedes SLK

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: BloFish] #213696 02/04/09 11:29 AM 02/04/09 11:29 AM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 34,921 S.E. South Dakota ! bigdad Still Posting A Lot
bigdad Still Posting A Lot Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 34,921 S.E. South Dakota !	No tubes, No screws, I'm a rebel 5000121-plymie.jpg (82 downloads) The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: BloFish] #213697 02/04/09 11:39 AM 02/04/09 11:39 AM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,165 Left Coast B BobR master
BobR master B Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,165 Left Coast	Quote: I run tubes in mine, for the stiffer side wall, and not having to worry about leaking air The downsides are that you have to screw the rim or you could pull the valve out if the bead slips-this has caused some serious issues over the years, the extra weight costs some ET and the tubes will not allow the tire to lay perfectly flat. If you are bracket racing the last 3 hundredths don't really matter so extra tire life may be a reason to use them. Don't forget that good tubes cost over a hundred bucks apiece.

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: BobR] #213698 02/04/09 01:30 PM 02/04/09 01:30 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,774 Keymar, MD DusterKid top fuel
DusterKid top fuel Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,774 Keymar, MD	Tubes...dont' have to worry about air leaking out, and helps make the sidewalls of the tires last longer.

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: BobR] #213699 02/04/09 01:36 PM 02/04/09 01:36 PM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,217 Wellington, FL C cudabunch pro stock
cudabunch pro stock C Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,217 Wellington, FL	Quote: I haven't used tubes in any tires in years. My present racer is an Outlaw 10.5 car. We use 33/10.5W-16 tires on 16" wide double beedlocks. Car has run in the 6's at 206. No tubes. Nobody that races with us uses tubes. For bracket racing there is less of a reason to not use them. I think this statement summs it up beadlocks for fast cars.Tubes for us slow guys

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: DusterKid] #213700 02/04/09 02:20 PM 02/04/09 02:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 732 M mikemotorhead super street
mikemotorhead super street M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 732	"Tubes...dont' have to worry about air leaking out, and helps make the sidewalls of the tires last longer. "

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: mikemotorhead] #213701 02/04/09 03:48 PM 02/04/09 03:48 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,746 Riverside, California L Lil Demon master
Lil Demon master L Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,746 Riverside, California	2 Tubes + 2 Tires = 4 things that can potentially go wrong at the track. 0 Tubes + 2 Tires = 2 things that can potentially go wrong at the track. Rip a tube and you are done. Get a small hole in a tire - plug it and keep going. No tubes = less rotating weight and less $ spent Tubes = stiffer sidewall - but I can order tires with that already built in.

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: Lil Demon] #213702 02/04/09 04:25 PM 02/04/09 04:25 PM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 724 PA USA F flatiron OP super stock
flatiron OP super stock F Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 724 PA USA	One of the things that made me wonder about this is looking at the Tire discription's in the Summit catalog almost all the slicks call for a tube. Iwas really suprised all the more tire choices non-tube guys have. So my next question is can you take a tire that calls for a tube and use it without one?

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: flatiron] #213703 02/04/09 04:55 PM 02/04/09 04:55 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,746 Riverside, California L Lil Demon master
Lil Demon master L Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,746 Riverside, California	Quote: One of the things that made me wonder about this is looking at the Tire discription's in the Summit catalog almost all the slicks call for a tube. Iwas really suprised all the more tire choices non-tube guys have. So my next question is can you take a tire that calls for a tube and use it without one? Yep - Dawn dish soap and some rim screws.

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: Lil Demon] #213704 02/04/09 06:11 PM 02/04/09 06:11 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Tubes = stiffer sidewall - but I can order tires with that already built in. I ordered stiff sidewall tires 1 time.... they were way too stiff... Tubes arent for everyone but I'll stick with them till I change something and dont need them. Screws and slicks are a must to me, I cant believe Bigdad doesnt run screws. I've seen cars get out of shape without screws and low tire pressure and it pushed the tire off the bead... to each his own

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #213705 02/04/09 06:18 PM 02/04/09 06:18 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 34,921 S.E. South Dakota ! bigdad Still Posting A Lot
bigdad Still Posting A Lot Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 34,921 S.E. South Dakota !	If I worried about that, I'd have to screw the front tires to the rims too The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: bigdad] #213706 02/04/09 06:27 PM 02/04/09 06:27 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: If I worried about that, I'd have to screw the front tires to the rims too I dont know about you but I run 45 psi in my fronts but low pressure in the rears(6.75 psi)and with the low pressure there isnt alot to hold them on... but like I said.... to each his own

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: bigdad] #213707 02/04/09 06:38 PM 02/04/09 06:38 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi rowin4 master
rowin4 master Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi	Buy the new slicks, soap them up and run them until you start having to pump them up more than you would like. Then if you still have tread left put in the tubes. Some guy's change there slicks more than they change their underwear, some change them after they start to rot. it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: BobR] #213708 02/04/09 06:57 PM 02/04/09 06:57 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 16,487 On the run… BloFish I Live Here
BloFish I Live Here Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 16,487 On the run…	Quote: Quote: I run tubes in mine, for the stiffer side wall, and not having to worry about leaking air The downsides are that you have to screw the rim or you could pull the valve out if the bead slips-this has caused some serious issues over the years, the extra weight costs some ET and the tubes will not allow the tire to lay perfectly flat. If you are bracket racing the last 3 hundredths don't really matter so extra tire life may be a reason to use them. Don't forget that good tubes cost over a hundred bucks apiece. Yep. Last edited by BloFish; 02/04/09 06:58 PM. It really doesn't matter whether you win or lose… as long as you look good doing it! ‘65 A100 ‘69 ‘Cuda ‘73 Vega GT ‘06 Mega Cab ‘14 Mercedes SLK

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: Lil Demon] #213709 02/04/09 07:05 PM 02/04/09 07:05 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,097 back in Georgia dthemi master
dthemi master Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,097 back in Georgia	Quote: 2 Tubes + 2 Tires = 4 things that can potentially go wrong at the track. 0 Tubes + 2 Tires = 2 things that can potentially go wrong at the track. Rip a tube and you are done. Get a small hole in a tire - plug it and keep going. No tubes = less rotating weight and less $ spent Tubes = stiffer sidewall - but I can order tires with that already built in. ever see a tube get wadded up in the tire?

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: dthemi] #213710 02/04/09 07:18 PM 02/04/09 07:18 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 16,487 On the run… BloFish I Live Here
BloFish I Live Here Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 16,487 On the run…	Nope It really doesn't matter whether you win or lose… as long as you look good doing it! ‘65 A100 ‘69 ‘Cuda ‘73 Vega GT ‘06 Mega Cab ‘14 Mercedes SLK

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: dthemi] #213711 02/04/09 07:22 PM 02/04/09 07:22 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi rowin4 master
rowin4 master Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi	If installed correctly they won't wad up, every one i have changed out never had a wrinkle in them. If installed correctly , having the tire desoaped, is that a word? [ cleaned and dry ] then use lots of tire talc to keep the tube from binding you'll have no problem. it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: rowin4] #213712 02/04/09 07:35 PM 02/04/09 07:35 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,746 Riverside, California L Lil Demon master
Lil Demon master L Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,746 Riverside, California	Quote: If installed correctly they won't wad up, every one i have changed out never had a wrinkle in them. If installed correctly , having the tire desoaped, is that a word? [ cleaned and dry ] then use lots of tire talc to keep the tube from binding you'll have no problem. OK then - have you ever seen one ripped? I saw a really nice 68 Cuda almost eat a wall and there was no evidence as to why, until he got home and decided to check the tube.

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: rowin4] #213713 02/04/09 07:40 PM 02/04/09 07:40 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	i tried no tubes in my 65 plymouth for 1 season, every week the slicks were flat. car is on the lift now getting a engine swap and just took the slicks off and put tubes back in.couldnt take the hassle of airing them up every weekend. just hope the tube doesnt blow again this year. 5001202-4726287-65hemiBelvederePINKS.jpg (115 downloads)

Re: Tubes or no tubes? #213714 02/04/09 07:57 PM 02/04/09 07:57 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 34,921 S.E. South Dakota ! bigdad Still Posting A Lot
bigdad Still Posting A Lot Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 34,921 S.E. South Dakota !	Mine hardly loses air (maybe its the no screws) I think 8 lbs per square inch will firmly hold them in case i go drifting The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: bigdad] #213715 02/04/09 09:31 PM 02/04/09 09:31 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 331 O'Fallon,IL. 70RTRacer enthusiast
70RTRacer enthusiast Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 331 O'Fallon,IL.	No tubes here.

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: 70RTRacer] #213716 02/04/09 10:26 PM 02/04/09 10:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,531 Jacksonville, FL Chris2581 master
Chris2581 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,531 Jacksonville, FL	We use tubes. Nautilus Racing- We use Superformance gaskets and Turbo Action converters/products.

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: Chris2581] #213717 02/05/09 12:34 AM 02/05/09 12:34 AM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 602 Alexandria, VA SealockRacing mopar
SealockRacing mopar Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 602 Alexandria, VA	this has me wondering if i should pull the tubes out of my slicks. the left rear goes flat in about 4 days and the right rear hasnt lost a lb. could i use bead sealer to help seal the bead to the wheel, and then some silicone on the wheel screws to ensure no/ less leaks? what would i use as far as a valve stem? would a regular(free) rubber one work from my job, or do i need a special one? which is prefered. probably going to make the switch soon depending on answers! John

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: flatiron] #213718 02/05/09 12:46 AM 02/05/09 12:46 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,207 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,207 Bend,OR USA	For your car I would run(and do) the M/T ET Street Bias plys or the ET STreet Radails, as large as you can fit in the car. I don't use tubes in the bias ply tires and the radials don't need them. As far as wadding up a tube in the car after it was mounted correctly I have done that with Mr Murphys help, I let the pressure down to low and bingo on that run it wadded up the tire and starting shaking like a bad dog in high gear It took a while to figure that one out the tire was in balance before the run and no weights had come off the rim and it was really out of balance after that run I quit using tubes in drag slicks under the advise of the Firestone tire guys at the races back in 1978. I have also split a tube in high gear in a stick shift Hemi car in 1976 , no fun on that run either, I thought I was going to mess the piant and body work up big time Good luck on your decision, no matter waht it is Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: SealockRacing] #213719 02/05/09 01:00 AM 02/05/09 01:00 AM
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rtstreet mopar Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 416 Eagleville Tn.	I run tubes now, but did not for along time, I really think it depends on how hard your set up hits the tire. In extreme we can not run the w tire so i run the "s" for two seasons without tubes (maybe 7 or 8 sets) then added tubes, did not see any big et gain but seen more constant 60 and 330 foot times, way better to tune on 5002081-ajesmall.JPG (155 downloads) Andy Mayes www.mayesperformance.com

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: rtstreet] #213720 02/05/09 01:16 AM 02/05/09 01:16 AM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,880 USA Ron Silva top fuel
Ron Silva top fuel Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,880 USA	Hoosier Quick Time Pro's. No screws. No tubes. No dish soap. No loss of air. No problems whatsoever. There are several problems you can run into with tubes and if you do not run screws with tubes you are crazy. Unless of course if you run excessive air pressure all the time. But what fun is that?? 5002114-MVC-011F.JPG (158 downloads) SRT DEMON ONE SEAT

Re: Tubes or no tubes? [Re: bigdad] #213721 02/05/09 01:54 AM 02/05/09 01:54 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa rebel master
rebel master Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa	Quote: No tubes, No screws, I'm a rebel you're my kinda guy

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