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Why some people restore cars
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Man it seems as though winter has brought out the worst in everyone here on moparts. A lot of bashing & name-calling that has never been a part of this forum has crept up and it doesn't sit well with a lot of us. I wonder how many new (or young)people look on this site and think "wow, is that how adults act?". Anyway, I want to share my point of view that some of you may find interesting. When I first got into this hobby I was only 15. I had a nice 69 Charger that I thought I would tub and narrow to build into a pro-street. I was into racing and fast street cars for about 8 years and got tired of that and quickly started to gain interest in original cars and the way they were built. It was a challenge to me, which I have always loved. It still is, and I think that some people do not understand what makes someone want to restore a car to perfection and build "trailer queens". Simple answer, to preserve history and try to push yourself to do the best you can. Just as some of you enjoy making your race car faster etc..Just think if there were no examples of original cars or "trailer queens"-wheres the history preservation. What if every town you went in had all the old beautiful homes turned into apartment complexes-everyone would say "what a shame". I have owned some "trailer queens" but never would again, but I will build them for other people who have an interest in that field. My most enjoyment comes from building cars with personality, believe it or not! My main point is tolerance on this board and trying to understand different peoples motivations without being so judgemental and hateful. If you hate restored trailer queens then why would you come on the A12/resto forum? If you hate cutting up rare cars why would you visit the race forum and bash those guys. Some of the best friends I have are on this board. I dont always agree with everything they post or their tact, and a lot of them dont even like each other, but the personal insults are getting very old. Thanks for letting me rant, best wishes to all. 
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Re: Why some people restore cars
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Hey Paul I've got an idea, lets you and I combine our skills and build a concours, pro touring, resto mod!!! Then everyone would be happy  Ken
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Re: Why some people restore cars
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02/04/09 09:23 AM
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Funny thing...I was thinking the very same thing this week...Must be the Winter Blahs.... I love restoring cars as well, it's been my passion for over 25 years.. I was raised with the idea of "if you have nothing nice to say, then don't say anything".....that's why it baffles me to no end how someone can take the time to type negative comments for no reason other then to stir the pot.... Makes no sense to me... Cheers to all and lets get this Winter over with 
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Re: Why some people restore cars
[Re: anlauto]
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02/04/09 10:17 AM
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I was raised with the idea of "if you have nothing nice to say, then don't say anything"
Maybe we should step away from the keyboard and get building something cool, I'm with you Ken.
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Re: Why some people restore cars
[Re: anlauto]
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02/04/09 10:21 AM
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Great post Paul! I have echoed those words on this forum before but to no avail. Much like you I started out with a passion for bracket racing. Bought an original numbers matching 70 Super Bee and the first thing I did when I got back home was to throw the back seat in the apartment dumpster! Then gave away the original Holley carb, changed the intake, y'all know the drill. Over the years since then I began to appreciate the details of original cars and that led to trying to build an original looking "driver." I wanted it correct but I also built one I could drive in the rain for three hours if that's what I needed to do. Point being, you can have it both ways. I still love to go fast, and that won't ever leave me, but I also enjoy the efforts of guys like you, Frank Badalson, Joe Arsenault, Steven Julianao, Dave Walden and others who ferret out the little details.  I believe, as you do Paul, there's plenty of room here for everybody’s interest.
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Re: Why some people restore cars
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Paul Nice to hear from you! Are you working on any A12 cars in the shop? Planning on bringing anything to the A12 reunion? Just saw Danny's Bee in Hemmings looking cool as ever and thought of you! On the topic of the people here on Moparts I think that when we see eachother in person at a show all this silly banter on the internet is forgotten  As for me personally I'm actually a face to face kind of guy I bite my toung on here and keep notes  On your perspective of restorations I remember what got me into the stock Mopar scene! It was 1986 and I met a guy that was putting a 70 six pack Super Bee back to stock. He was gathering all of the newly available resto. parts from YO and MCO and I just thought that was the coolest idea ever, to return something back to original. I couldn't even change from an original color now! KID 
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Re: Why some people restore cars
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02/04/09 11:13 AM
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This is why many of here do not post an awful lot. If someone has a question that I can answer and I know for a fact, I will respond, but I have no interest in getting into a wissing contest on this board.
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Re: Why some people restore cars
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Well I'm glad I'm not the only one who fails to post so as not to get into a pissing match either. You know, I have been fortunate and honored to win 3 OE golds in a row and 2 best of shows, but guess what? I would have NEVER been able to do it without the knowledge and help of my friends on this board (Gary Plesinger, Scott Smith, Mike@Alltrim, Dave Walden, Mike Ross, and many others!!!)and most importantly my partner Troy Angelly and our crew, including my dad who got me into this in the first place. There is no better collection of knowledge than here so we better realize that before a lot of people go away and never return. Ken-I love that idea-after all we are only a couple hours away! I'll talk to ya at the Indy swap meet. Oh and I think Veek might be taking his Bee to Carlisle-cant wait to see all those 6bbl cars again!!!
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Re: Why some people restore cars
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I'm with you guys; there SHOULD be enough room for diverse interests in this hobby and intolerance....well it shouldn't be tolerated! I will admit that my interests lie in stock or stock appearing cars but I have no problem with others enjoying the hobby in thier own fashion. Likewise, I intend to drive my car (race it actually) but what's with all the hate for so called "trailer queens" or restored cars? I don't get it. It gets REALLY old sometimes.....nah make that ALL the time. For the life of me, I can't see why someone would complain about or belittle people who have taken the time and effort to preserve and restore these cars.  Anyhow; Dave
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1974 'Cuda
2008 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Ram 3500 Diesel
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Re: Why some people restore cars
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02/04/09 02:41 PM
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Lets just get along and play nice in the sand box We are all in this for the same basic reason. The Love of our Mopars Bob
Mom & Dad let me buy a brand new 70 Challenger R/T 440 Six-Pack Super Trac Pack when I was 17
(Robert what is a 440 Six-Pack)
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Re: Why some people restore cars
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Paul, good to hear from you! It is definitely wintertime on Moparts, this stuff happens every year, but the way the economy is and how freaked out people are nowadays it has gotten a tad to the silly side, even for Moparts! I hope one day we will all come to the realization that we are all in this Mopar thing together, and not start going insane like the Chivvy boys out there...  C'MON SPRING 
The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.
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Re: Why some people restore cars
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I lurk far more than post these days. There are people I have "met" through this board that have shared knowledge, parts, time, and laughs with me all long distance. Some enjoyed my post about a crazy solo nine day trip to get my car up here from North Carolina 5 years ago. Those positives far outway the few times that a limited number of individuals sought personal attention via idiotic threats and grandios statements. When it comes to humans it is what it is. Occasionally there are some in the herd that seek attention. Doesn't change the fact we should all be in this together. Don't let the rare negatives out weigh the many positives by letting the few rain on your parade. (No bashing my incorrect hood pins  )
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Re: Why some people restore cars
[Re: Paul Jacobs]
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02/04/09 03:14 PM
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Too bad you felt the need to post this. I am a relative newbie to the board and feel exactly the way you do. I am on the wrong side of 60 and have had a lot of experience doing things the wrong way and the right way. I know there are a lot of guys here who have even more experience but like me have been intimidated from posting. No one is 100% right (except my wife but that would be another post). If I do give bad information, I hope I am corrected. When you stop learning, it's time for the dirt nap. This board has been a tremendous help to me and I am sure it will continue to be. I just hope I can contribute. Just remember, some of the people asking for advice were not even born when your precious car rolled out of Lynch Road or Hamtramck. They are the ones who may inherit your classic. If you don't want them to put a Honda CVCC in your Challenger, treat them nice. Craig
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Previous mopars: 62 Valiant, 65 Fury III, 68 Fury III, 72 Satellite, 74 Satellite, 89 Acclaim, 98 Caravan, 2003 Durango
Only previous Non-Mopar: Schwinn Tornado
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Re: Why some people restore cars
[Re: Paul Jacobs]
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02/04/09 04:20 PM
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Good post.
People have strong ideas about their cars and the hobby. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but some get pretty nasty when others don't agree with THEIR ideas. I try to take the high road and keep the emotions out of it which is sometimes hard when people start slinging mud at you.
Here is something I posted sometime ago on another site.
What does restore really mean? Obviously, it can mean many different things to different people.
Some people prefer to buy a car unrestored because they feel that a restored car can be hiding poor quality work with fresh paint. Some feel that if the undercarriage is painted in an area that should have a natural rusted finish that the owner has taken a shortcut and if they do that on one componant where else did they take short cuts you can't see.
I like a car with a combination of factory original and a day two features, that may have period correct aftermarket wheels, headers, etc.
My personal preference is to build a car for factory appearence when you see it drive by or at you first casual glance when sitting with the hood opened at a parking lot show. This gives me the liberty to do internal engine modifications, hide upgrade electronics, add some modern day creature comforts, etc. without destroying the original classic look of the car that I bought it for in the first place.
I don't concern myself what some show judge thinks a certain item should be finished as to be correct, I don't leave items unpainted to rust to a correct patina but rather paint them so they don't rust.
It seems to me from looking at many cars at casual parking lot shows that I am with the majority. There is a place for every type of restoration, just some people find it difficult to accept what is, or is not important to others.
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Re: Why some people restore cars
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Thanks for the posts, all of you. It does get pretty ridiculous on here from time to time (as it also does at car shows), but internet stuff in general tends to get vicious because people can hide behind their monitors & keyboards and spew their arrogance. Waste of time, and a bring-down to all.
Done the Original thing, do the racecar thing, and lately have been into the "factory 1-of-none" thing. Variety is nice, and I'm fortunate to be deluded enough that I think I can afford all 3.
I've had the priviledge countless times here to learn from others, and I hope I've contributed some value with what I've seen & done. As for the newbie guys, we all start out as newbies, and the best way to move beyond that is to do the research, read the good material out there, collect the brochures & whatever, and post enough info with a question to make it easier for others to provide an accurate answer.
That said, I frequently find really funny stuff here - keep up the joke threads! - as well as a ton of info, great videos, parts, etc.
Occasionally we'll get bashed for a comment, and it's easy to feel anger about it; in my case, what I know is from being involved with these cars since the '60s, but I've seen exceptions to the hard & fast rules, too. It's more constructive to post pics or documentation of "correct" things than to post something that's merely judgemental, so that we can educate each other & discuss differences instead of attacking.
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Re: Why some people restore cars
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The thing about this website is that it's like a big family. There will be personality conflicts  , misunderstandings  , tempers flaring  and even some disciplining needs to occur once in a while ....and most every family has one kid who is "off" a little  . It takes all kinds to make the world go around. If there were no opposite opinions to discuss, there would be no progress. In the end we are still part of the same family and it's not a bad family. Even the bad kids have good moments and can shine if given a chance. There's way more good stuff that goes on here. I don't see any reason not to post something because of being worried about nitpicking. The most knowledgeable people will also tell you that you can learn something new everyday  . It's all good! You can always skip a post if it does not seem to be going in the direction you want it to. It's kind of like changing the channel if you don't like the song but you come back to the same channel because they mostly play the songs you like!
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Re: Why some people restore cars
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The thing about this website is that it's like a big family. There will be personality conflicts, misunderstandings , tempers flaring and even some disciplining needs to occur once in a while ....and most every family has one kid who is "off" a little . It takes all kinds to make the world go around. If there were no opposite opinions to discuss, there would be no progress. In the end we are still part of the same family and it's not a bad family. Even the bad kids have good moments and can shine if given a chance. There's way more good stuff that goes on here. I don't see any reason not to post something because of being worried about nitpicking. The most knowledgeable people will also tell you that you can learn something new everyday . It's all good! You can always skip a post if it does not seem to be going in the direction you want it to. It's kind of like changing the channel if you don't like the song but you come back to the same channel because they mostly play the songs you like!
YEP! Me and Jim (Rhinodart) have argued passionately over A body stuff (though I shouldnt argue with HIM on that subject), nonetheless at the end of the day we are still great friends!
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Re: Why some people restore cars
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You are so right...I mean how sad is it that a thread had to get locked over a fuel filter!  .. 
That thread was a Train Wreck from the first post....Probably more like a Bullet Train Wreck....
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Re: Why some people restore cars
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You are so right...I mean how sad is it that a thread had to get locked over a fuel filter! ..
Fuel filters? We don't need no stinking fuel filters!! Let's talk air cleaner wing nuts.
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Re: Why some people restore cars
[Re: Paul Jacobs]
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Hello Mr. Paul Jacobs! As always it is good to hear from you. I hope I do not ruin your thread and the input to follow. Lord knows I have been a lightning rod no matter which direction I come from.
I want to start off by telling everyone here who does not personally know me that I have always had the best intentions and attitude towards this hobby (and Members) as humanly possible. Admittedly I have had quite a few confrontations on this board and can guarantee that I have never intended to start the avalanches that usually follow. None the less I should probably keep a better posture and ignore the pokes when they occur. I apologize for the things that have gotten out of hand!
Concerning the topic, when I was a kid (just yesterday) I can vividly remember my older brother’s friends pulling up to our house, driving just about every brand of Muscle Car on the road. I loved every one of them….the Orange 1970 440 Cuda owned by Gary Wood, the Hugger Orange/white stripes 69 Z28 owned by Bob Zietler and the 1965 Shelby Mustangs (one black/one green) that were owned by the Brunsman Brothers. What great memories….what a great time…1971! I was 10 years old. I never imagined that I would have the privilege and honor of serving a market that had been such an influence to me while I was growing up. This has ALWAYS been a genuine obsession for me. It was never started with aspirations for monetary gains or public notoriety. I truly love being able to serve and contribute to a "cause" that has been my passion from when I was a kid to present day. Yes…I have a life! I just enjoy attempting to do my absolute best, to “restore” a part of history that is near and dear to me.
Many know that I don’t drive my cars. Its not that I can’t, my enjoyment is simply bringing back the cars that represent those nostalgic times I experienced as a young boy. Even though my brother’s buddies cars were not perfect by today’s standards, THAT is the way I remember them. I was just a kid standing in the driveway while my brother and his friends teased me about playing with Hot Wheels! Now I simply enjoy stepping out in the garage and imagining what it must have been like (as an adult) to stand next to one of these awesome vehicles, in a new car showroom, back in 1970!?! That may be weird to some but that is my true enjoyment. I drive and abuse the new “Muscle cars” that are current for today. I never want to change the “majestic” perception of the cars that was created when I was a kid! I prefer to envision them just the way I used to (30 some odd years ago) and cherish the memories that they provide from the past.
Oh the memories of being a kid in the early 1970s!
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Re: Why some people restore cars
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When I was 6 years old my dad drove into our drive way with a new 69 Road Runner and It was
love at first site. Also at that same time a friend of my Dad's drove up in a Red 69 Coronet
R/T with a black top and ramcharger hood, man did I get charged up seeing that. I knew from that
point what I was going to be owning in the future.
A few weeks after my dad had the roadrunner he took me to my first drag race event in it, on our
way to strip we stop to gas up in Fairfield,IL. While sitting at the station I looked toward the highway and saw another inspiring site a 65 Super Stock Dodge on a trailer headed toward the drags. That day at the strip inspired me for the rest of my life with a love for the cars.
As with many that have posted I also agree that the defensive posturing is not needed on this board nor do I like to read it. People want to defend theirselves and I understand that but enough is enough.
Many members set back and don't get involved, and want to ask questions but they don't because they fear they are going to be asking a stupid question. Their is no such thing as a stupid question, if you don't know something ask.
Members fear they are going to get BURNT at the stake for answering a question wrong, so some in
return don't want to get involved with answering or getting involved in a post at all. With as many members that are registered on moparts not many get involved with the board over all.
As with many members I sometimes get a kick out of seeing some of the cartoon or animated figures
added into post. I have also wondered many times why isn't their a animated (HANDSHAKE SYMBOL)
which is a gesture of good faith and show of respect. I can say that I'm a certified mopar
nut case since the age of 6 when my dad pulled into our driveway with a new 69 Road Runner, it
was all over with what brand I was going to own.
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Re: Why some people restore cars
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I don't drive my 7600 mile trailer queen to speak of but I was lucky enough to be able to talk my Mom into cosigning to let me buy a brand new 69 RoadRuner. I got it 4 days before my 20th birthday $80.69/month for three years with a $300 down payment! I couldn't afford the gas but that did not stop me. It was a Y3, coupe/A87 package, 3.23 open rear. I will never, never forget the day I pulled it out of the lot! I have owned a 69 RR ever since that day although most with more than one carb since my first one. I never bought it for the value but am glad they have appreciated. Anyone that talks to me knows that I am an enthusiast who just likes to share my experience whether they have a beater 6 cylinder Duster or a Hemi convertible. In 40 years, I have gone through the gears flat out more than most guys could dream of! It's not for the money, it's a passion for the cars and whatever is said in the forum can't sway that so it never bothers me. It's just entertaining no matter what and part of the passion to hear/know more about the cars through others. I restore them because I like owning them and, as an amateur, am proud to be able to do it to the level I can so that I can show them. Now the question is why do I show them? It's because I'm proud of my experience and want to share it with those who appreciate it! This is a great hobby!
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Re: Why some people restore cars
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I love the resurrection of something old to something new, the knowledge developed during research and the friendships that develop. I love the looks of these Mopars. Tinkering with Mopars have been in my blood since I was 15 years old and I've owned at least one Charger at any given time ever since, and I'm 45 now.
Personally, I'm into the OEM look, albeit I'll take liberties here and there for my own personal tastes. The term trailer-queen is often over used and misplaced for it's a reflection on the individual, not the car. A car can only do what the owner wants it to do (or at the very least, hopes to have something done).
I'm not one of these guys that'll over restore a car and then be afraid to drive it. There's a balance between practicality and fun sometimes. Like now at this stage in my life, I have a toddler. I'm not going to drive a classic ride for 100 + miles and worry about something going wrong. So, I do load the car on the trailer and off I and the family go. I realize the nature of these beasts...
It amazes me when someone says they are selling their car because it's too nice...........
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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Re: Why some people restore cars
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I loved every one of them….the Orange 1970 440 Cuda owned by Gary Wood
I knew Gary from the Webster Groves Steak N' Shake days in the early 70's. Didn't that 6-pak Cuda have a bench seat, column automatic?
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Re: Why some people restore cars
[Re: 70challrtse]
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02/05/09 03:45 PM
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This has been something I have thought about quite a bit. how far to "restore" versus "improve" considering my intentions of driving the car everyday, for the rest of my life....  Currently thinking, power windows would be nice, an ECM with flatpanel readout for timing, temp, ratio, tach, etc. Onstar on a Dart Swinger!!!! 
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Re: Why some people restore cars
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02/05/09 05:45 PM
02/05/09 05:45 PM
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This has been something I have thought about quite a bit. how far to "restore" versus "improve" considering my intentions of driving the car everyday, for the rest of my life....
Currently thinking, power windows would be nice, an ECM with flatpanel readout for timing, temp, ratio, tach, etc. Onstar on a Dart Swinger!!!!
Being that I live in Houston as well, I would love to see your Swinger when done........
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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Re: Why some people restore cars
[Re: 318 Stroker]
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02/05/09 11:45 PM
02/05/09 11:45 PM
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I loved every one of them….the Orange 1970 440 Cuda owned by Gary Wood
I knew Gary from the Webster Groves Steak N' Shake days in the early 70's. Didn't that 6-pak Cuda have a bench seat, column automatic?
Hello Allen! What a small World. I don’t remember the options as well as you probably do but I remember standing in his garage when he started it and blew the mufflers off. Seriously! He forgot to tighten them and they blew right off. He also had (one of three in Missouri at the time) a maroon 69 Boss 429 Mustang. His Mom cosigned for the car when he was 15 years old. Can you imagine having a Boss 9 and being 15 years old? Do you remember his Kawasaki triple motorcycles? How many other guys do you recall from that group? How about Greg Fiezer or Mike Stecher’s 69 Z28 Camaros? What about Marty Faith’s Super duty Trans Am? I made an effort to go back and collect every car (or similar style) that used to pull in my driveway in those days. My corral consists of a 5462 original mile 69 Z28 (I shouldn‘t have sold that one), a 1969 Ram Air III Firebird, a 1970 Grabber blue Boss 302, a 70 Cuda and Challenger and last but not least, a bad to the bone 1970 four door, slant six Valiant! The new cars out weigh the old ones but I would be asking for a beating if I listed those makes and models.
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Re: Why some people restore cars
[Re: ECS]
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02/06/09 05:48 PM
02/06/09 05:48 PM
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I loved every one of them….the Orange 1970 440 Cuda owned by Gary Wood
I knew Gary from the Webster Groves Steak N' Shake days in the early 70's. Didn't that 6-pak Cuda have a bench seat, column automatic?
Hello Allen! What a small World. I don’t remember the options as well as you probably do but I remember standing in his garage when he started it and blew the mufflers off. Seriously! He forgot to tighten them and they blew right off. He also had (one of three in Missouri at the time) a maroon 69 Boss 429 Mustang. His Mom cosigned for the car when he was 15 years old. Can you imagine having a Boss 9 and being 15 years old? Do you remember his Kawasaki triple motorcycles? How many other guys do you recall from that group? How about Greg Fiezer or Mike Stecher’s 69 Z28 Camaros? What about Marty Faith’s Super duty Trans Am? I made an effort to go back and collect every car (or similar style) that used to pull in my driveway in those days. My corral consists of a 5462 original mile 69 Z28 (I shouldn‘t have sold that one), a 1969 Ram Air III Firebird, a 1970 Grabber blue Boss 302, a 70 Cuda and Challenger and last but not least, a bad to the bone 1970 four door, slant six Valiant! The new cars out weigh the old ones but I would be asking for a beating if I listed those makes and models.
Dave, I didn't know Gary real well, but i do know he married one of my sister's friends. The name Greg Fiezer does also sound very familiar.
I had just bought my 73 Challenger back then, but it was a 318. After too many prior moving violations, that's all my insurance company would "let" me buy...  I was relegated to a spectating role rather than a participatory role in the street racing that went on I-44 between Elm & Berry. Course since I have still have the car, and the horsepower is doubled, I might be able to keep up with them now...  Wonder if any else from that old crowd still has their cars... 
I do remember one guy had a silver/black stripe, 70 Chevelle, SS-454. Don't remember his name. He showed up one day with brand new Dickie Harrell emblems on the front fender. Says he had Harrell "tune" the car. We always suspected that he did nothing more than get his hands on a new set of emblems... 
As far as my memories and recollections of the 70's, let's just suffice it to say that most of them are very "hazy"... 
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Re: Why some people restore cars
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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02/06/09 07:54 PM
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The first time I plugged in my pooter I signed up here.
I still lurch more than post here.
I will answer a question if I know the answer and have facts to back it up--NO FLUFF.
Like the days of CB radio's you will get people on here who just love shooting off their mouths just to hear themselves talk,IMHO.
Fluff-a-holics.
I respect other people's opinions-but I care little about those thrusting themselves upon other just becuase they can on a web forum.
Prove your stuff-do not throw fluff.
I do not have a trailer queen,nor a race car.
I do have 3 Mopars that I enjoy.
A crusier,a beater,and a project.
"C" what I'm sayin'?
I am building a 1:1 scale car that will get driven.It will look stock but have modern upgrades for reliabilty and power.
If you don't like it,that's fine.I know that not all of us are into C body cars.
Maybe a drive-- with me riding shotgun-- can change your opinion.
I am realizing a dream and I am building it for me.
'68 Newport Custom Barge on a Budget!! BOAB
1973 Satellite WAGON! 318- 3 on the tree!!
2008 Chrysler 300c HEMI!
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Re: Why some people restore cars
[Re: Paul Jacobs]
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02/06/09 09:20 PM
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Well I'm glad I'm not the only one who fails to post so as not to get into a pissing match either. You know, I have been fortunate and honored to win 3 OE golds in a row and 2 best of shows, but guess what? I would have NEVER been able to do it without the knowledge and help of my friends on this board (Gary Plesinger, Scott Smith, [Email]Mike@Alltrim[/Email], Dave Walden, Mike Ross, and many others!!!)and most importantly my partner Troy Angelly and our crew, including my dad who got me into this in the first place. There is no better collection of knowledge than here so we better realize that before a lot of people go away and never return. Ken-I love that idea-after all we are only a couple hours away! I'll talk to ya at the Indy swap meet. Oh and I think Veek might be taking his Bee to Carlisle-cant wait to see all those 6bbl cars again!!!
Gee you make me feel all fuzzy inside . 
Get off the computer and get your [Edited by Moparts - Keep it clean] to work . Indy is coming soon .
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Re: Why some people restore cars
[Re: FY1TA]
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02/06/09 09:32 PM
02/06/09 09:32 PM
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Glad to hear from all of you! You know it struck me the other day, If I was traveling anywhere in the US, I could call one of my mopar buddies and would have a warm place to stay should I need it, and vice-versa if any of them needed a place to stay. Thats the best part about this hobby-the people. Hope to see you all in Indy. (I'll get back to work now Gary )
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Re: Why some people restore cars
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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02/07/09 03:21 PM
02/07/09 03:21 PM
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There has been more than a few business owners over the years that strangly mix it up with potential customers. I have never figured that out.
Members differ on what a restoration is and that tends to lead to some conflict.
The recent vendor cage matches were an excellent example of individuals perhaps not seeing the big picture and not knowing when to step away from the keyboard for a while. Most of us looking on are not personal friends of the vendor base, so it is easy for the audience to develop an opinion (possibly inaccurate) of a vendor based on the perceived ego and emotion that comes through. The endless rubuttals back and forth of the smallest criticisms of an item or context statement get old. It's like Pee Wee Herman saying, "I know you are but what am I?"
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Re: Why some people restore cars
[Re: Aero426]
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02/08/09 02:24 PM
02/08/09 02:24 PM
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There has been more than a few business owners over the years that strangly mix it up with potential customers. I have never figured that out.
Members differ on what a restoration is and that tends to lead to some conflict.
The recent vendor cage matches were an excellent example of individuals perhaps not seeing the big picture and not knowing when to step away from the keyboard for a while. Most of us looking on are not personal friends of the vendor base, so it is easy for the audience to develop an opinion (possibly inaccurate) of a vendor based on the perceived ego and emotion that comes through. The endless rubuttals back and forth of the smallest criticisms of an item or context statement get old. It's like Pee Wee Herman saying, "I know you are but what am I?"
Very well said.
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Re: Why some people restore cars
[Re: FJ6AAR]
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02/08/09 08:47 PM
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The bickering in the recent weeks is definitely a low point in the history of this great site. I don't post much but like many others I spend a few hours a day reading Moparts. It became a way of life for me since I registered years ago. I subscribe to the said mag and have dealt with the vendor (and will be dealing again real soon when my car is painted this year) They both provide me with necessities I need and enjoy. I can relate to the few on this site who don't drive their cars. When my car is finished it will never be driven as long as I own it. Why? Because that is my enjoyment. I like to sit and look at and admire my car and just imagine what is was like being able to walk into a dealership and see these things when they were brand new. I was born in 1967, so I missed the boat. My uncle always had a Chevelle and that is what got me into muscle cars. I never owned a GM product which is weird but I just naturally liked all the Mopars. Anyway, the last time I posted about not driving my car when it is finished I received three PM's from members here telling me that it was such a waste and I should just sell it - well too bad, that is the way I want it. People need to start respecting other people's interest in the hobby. It really is nobody's business but the owner of the car. If you don't like the idea - move on but don't PM the person trying to change their view to yours. Anyway, Carlisle will be here before we know it. It can't come quick enough for me. Rob
While I personally drive my cars often, it is everyones own business what they do with THEIR car.
What some of these guys fail to realize is, that if some people didn't put these old cars away years ago or limit the driving severly, we would not have any survivors to refer to for original examples.
To each his own.
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