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Re: how do you make 756HP with a n/a 416? [Re: PETE@BESTMACHINE] #1996252
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Originally Posted By PETE@BESTMACHINE
Dave you make it sound like its hard to do. The Indy head makes good power and with proper machine work and a solid combination you are there. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.605850896137264.1073741836.135175363204822&type=3


This engine did cost appox 24,000 that included the new R3 block and a Callies crank, Compstar rods, CP pistons And T&D rockers. We used his 4150 carb and Vac pump. VP C-12 fuel was used and the heads were CNC ported at Indy and no other work was done to them.


Why did you go with a 59 degree motor

Re: how do you make 756HP with a n/a 416? [Re: RAY1969CARS] #1996267
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Block avaiblity at the time, no other reason. A 48 degree would be fun with a 60MM cam and 4500 carb.

Re: how do you make 756HP with a n/a 416? [Re: PETE@BESTMACHINE] #1996339
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Pete are you refering to steve clukeys engine or another customers of yours? i think steve has always ran a 4500 carb and its on an X block and using harland sharp rockers.
im just alittle taken back by how well the car works with medium investment. iv seen most exoitic set ups that dont work like his duster.

Re: how do you make 756HP with a n/a 416? [Re: mopar dave] #1996397
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The odds of getting into territory the 59* can't handle with an indy 245 is SLIMMMM

Nobody remembers the old 59* W9 stock suspension dart with one kit that was running 5.1X 10 years ago with big wheel stands killing some ET!? That car proved to me that 90% of us would be totally fine with 59* blocks.

Shame nobody else noticed

Re: how do you make 756HP with a n/a 416? [Re: SpareParts] #1996412
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Originally Posted By SpareParts
The odds of getting into territory the 59* can't handle with an indy 245 is SLIMMMM

Nobody remembers the old 59* W9 stock suspension dart with one kit that was running 5.1X 10 years ago with big wheel stands killing some ET!? That car proved to me that 90% of us would be totally fine with 59* blocks.

Shame nobody else noticed



I failed to mention that issue with the "X" and "R1" and evidently some of the "R3's" could be had with 59* LBA's. I had forgotten about the "R3's".

The real issue with the 59* LBA is net valve lift and RPM potential. I ran my 59* stuff to 8500 plus but it was nightmare. And I always felt I could use way more lift that I was using (net .750). As far as durability the blocks are pretty much the same.


Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
Re: how do you make 756HP with a n/a 416? [Re: mopar dave] #1996671
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Dave I am referring to both, I put a link to our build for you, there are no magic parts used. Your post asked how to make that power, its not that hard to do was my point, how well someone's car works is something different, that all.

Re: how do you make 756HP with a n/a 416? [Re: PETE@BESTMACHINE] #1996687
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Ok. Thanks Pete.

Re: how do you make 756HP with a n/a 416? [Re: mopar dave] #1996743
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I'd say right now the hot ticket would be "IF" you had a 48 degree block laying around would be to pony up for the W8 top end Brian Smith is selling. A person could scale that back and have a very dependable low 9 set up at non stratospheric rpms.

Re: how do you make 756HP with a n/a 416? [Re: J_BODY] #1996748
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I don't and this is my last rondevou with small blocks. Next and final build with be pump gas 470 or maybe 499. I just would like to get into the 9's as a personal goal.

Re: how do you make 756HP with a n/a 416? [Re: mopar dave] #1996755
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Asking from experience here, if you have a goal why not start building the BB now? Why put money anywhere other than your dream?? I wish I had all the money back that I spent on motors that weren't what I wanted... I'd have 2 of what I have now!

Re: how do you make 756HP with a n/a 416? [Re: SpareParts] #1996757
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Small blocks are fun but it's so much cheaper, dependable, and longer lasting to run 8's with a big block


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Re: how do you make 756HP with a n/a 416? [Re: SpareParts] #1996760
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That's because part of the goal was to do it with a small block. Takes a little more thought and planning. If the bb does 11's I will be happy.

Re: how do you make 756HP with a n/a 416? [Re: mopar dave] #1996872
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this one is on the money ,std 360 block asp
408 small block and 727 trans
$25,000 — Gold Coast, Queensland
Small block,indy 360-1 heads and manifold
Complete sump to carby
Afd 950 carby,electric waterpump,vacumm pump,msd 7 digital,crank trigger
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Advanced engines built march 2015
Protrans built 727 with proflite internals
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Best 9.33 @144mph in 3150lb car
1.30 6o foot,5.9 @115 half track


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Re: how do you make 756HP with a n/a 416? [Re: madscientist] #1996888
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Quote:
The real issue with the 59* LBA is net valve lift and RPM potential. I ran my 59* stuff to 8500 plus but it was nightmare.


What was nightmare about it?

Re: how do you make 756HP with a n/a 416? [Re: Ian] #1996925
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wow. thats smokin Ian. sounds like a real nice combo. im assuming the indys are the 245cc version? do you know the cross scetion on those indys?

Re: how do you make 756HP with a n/a 416? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1996974
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I agree but a bb should run them numbers without blinking an eye...and imo it's not a challenge.
I have friends with stock block sb chevys in the 7 sec zone...Yes Stock block 23* and to me it's different and exciting smile response to Pittsburghs post.

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The weak thing about the 59* block is the head selection and limitations.
8000rpm is no problem and with a 440 or 482 ci sb rpm wouldn't really be needed.

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Originally Posted By fishy340
I agree but a bb should run them numbers without blinking an eye...and imo it's not a challenge.
I have friends with stock block sb chevys in the 7 sec zone...Yes Stock block 23* and to me it's different and exciting smile response to Pittsburghs post.



Oh don't get me wrong, I like a good challenge but I also like doing it on a budget. My stock block 360 with edelbrock heads will probably be in the 9.50's (@ 2800 pounds) this year with nothing fancy in it. But my 512 will be in the 8's at 2800 pounds and I only have about 7500-8000 dollars invested including my mega block


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Re: how do you make 756HP with a n/a 416? [Re: mopar dave] #1997072
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It is in the cylinder heads. I'm currently helping with a 427 SB Chevy project that will make about 900 hp NA. Single carb on a ported cast intake. The heads flow 380 cfm which is more than Indy -1 BB heads flow. 15:1 compression with a flat top piston since the chambers are so small. So if you had a head that good for a Mopar you would make the same power.

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im trying to get a 3300# street car(with a cage) into the 9's. my pump gas 408 got me a best of 10.35@131. without a bunch more investment i decided to rebuild it with more head, cam and compression(13.3:1). i hope this works. if not i have a holley t ram thats going on with annular 1000hp's. i have fun trying to figure this stuff out and when i cant, i just ask on here.

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