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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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01/18/16 03:27 PM
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The coyote is a nice package and with a supercharger intake head flow becomes less important for all of them. Possibly the coyote can rpm it's way past a 50 cubic inch handicap.
Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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01/18/16 04:56 PM
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I saw an in car of Barton running a Gen III out the back door @ 8900rpm.
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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01/18/16 05:47 PM
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HP is much more closely related to CFM than it is RPM, if you don't have any air flowing in you can't burn fuel no matter the RPM. Air flow IS going to be critical as they all have to run the same blower it seems. We have a bigger engine and bigger air flow RPM will not overcome that and like has already been mentioned the gen III is no slouch in RPM anyhow. At the same weight 50 CFM and 50 CID will spank the other guys real hard. If it was same displacment to weight it may well be another story.
I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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01/18/16 07:54 PM
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72Swinger
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If you're spinning the blower faster you're moving more air no?
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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01/18/16 08:45 PM
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HotRodDave
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Not nessacarily, a SC gets to a point where it just don't really move much more air, not to mention a greater restriction means more PSI and that menas more heat and less mass flow...
I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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01/18/16 09:06 PM
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Iooked it up and the top 5 liter coyote fs/xx has run a 8.50 at 161.88 mph. That is at the class legal 3575 lbs on a 9" tire. I'm antious to see what the supercharged 354 challenger drag pak will run.
Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
[Re: 72Swinger]
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01/18/16 09:10 PM
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I see the Drag Packs putting such a whoopin' on the others that they will get 'factored' to death AGAIN. Barton has dyno videos of the COPO Whipple engine making 1000+hp and the 354 Whipple engine making 1136hp. Al Carps car already owns the record for the 7.0L N/A at 8.5***ET. The Gen III Hemi's are BAD little doods. Wish "Mopar" would get some blocks into the aftermarket like NOW.... David will be racing Gary Wolkwitz's blown Copo this year pretty much due to Ma Mopar not working with the Bartons at all. Mopar did show up in the winner circle after the fact to help celebrate all of David and Rays hard work.....  David has the copo just north of 1100 hp with some small tuning changes and right now the motor is apart and will receive the "Barton rebuild"! This car will be a player wherever David chooses to race it this year... As for the blown dragpack- it did make north of 1100hp on the dyno also, but the factory contracted an Indiana Builder to build them for the factory and lets just say theres some illegal parts for stock eliminator inside after the Bartons pulled it apart. Right now the blown dragpak is waiting on chrysler to figure out this mess and ship the legal parts.  If you wonder why David is racing a Copo this year then ask yourself why Chrysler wouldn't have even given the Bartons, who had the fastest Challenger by far, a chance to bid on the build of either N/A or Blown Dragpak Hemis..... Very sad day for the mopar contingent 
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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01/18/16 09:26 PM
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dannysbee
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There are many variables. Sometimes when your blower limited a smaller cubic inch is superior as the boost will be higher with the smaller engine. The other thing is exhaust flow becomes very important on the boosted engine. I don't know which heads are superior in exhaust flow. Then the cars are racing on a small tire so the long flat torque curve the 4valve will produce may be an asset. Time will tell but after checking the performance of the cars running out there now I think the racing will be fast and fairly close. The ringer may be the supercharged challenger.
Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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01/18/16 10:15 PM
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72Swinger
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I see the Drag Packs putting such a whoopin' on the others that they will get 'factored' to death AGAIN. Barton has dyno videos of the COPO Whipple engine making 1000+hp and the 354 Whipple engine making 1136hp. Al Carps car already owns the record for the 7.0L N/A at 8.5***ET. The Gen III Hemi's are BAD little doods. Wish "Mopar" would get some blocks into the aftermarket like NOW.... David will be racing Gary Wolkwitz's blown Copo this year pretty much due to Ma Mopar not working with the Bartons at all. Mopar did show up in the winner circle after the fact to help celebrate all of David and Rays hard work..... David has the copo just north of 1100 hp with some small tuning changes and right now the motor is apart and will receive the "Barton rebuild"! This car will be a player wherever David chooses to race it this year... As for the blown dragpack- it did make north of 1100hp on the dyno also, but the factory contracted an Indiana Builder to build them for the factory and lets just say theres some illegal parts for stock eliminator inside after the Bartons pulled it apart. Right now the blown dragpak is waiting on chrysler to figure out this mess and ship the legal parts. If you wonder why David is racing a Copo this year then ask yourself why Chrysler wouldn't have even given the Bartons, who had the fastest Challenger by far, a chance to bid on the build of either N/A or Blown Dragpak Hemis..... Very sad day for the mopar contingent That REALLY bums me out. They really must have their heads where the sun dont shine, first they take a dump on Penske, then the Trans Am teams, then the Tudor Viper guys and the latest is AJ. All after OVER achieving with their brand, I dont get it. Its like if you win championships with a Dodge you get the ax, makes perfect sense to an FCA moron I guess.....
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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01/18/16 11:06 PM
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This type of exposure makes much more sense than prostock to me. The cars look like what are driving around on the street with engines that you can get in a production car. Who would not want their Brand at the top of the heap. It's crazy.
Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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01/18/16 11:48 PM
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Its corporate talking heads making decisions based on budget instead of loyalty or integrity. I hope David KILLS the 354's with his COPO, if they are that stupid, they have it coming....
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
[Re: 72Swinger]
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01/19/16 10:00 AM
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Its corporate talking heads making decisions based on budget instead of loyalty or integrity. I hope David KILLS the 354's with his COPO, if they are that stupid, they have it coming.... If it was budget, there would've been specs for a few to quote the build. This appears to be politics..... Obama style!  I don't know what Mopar based their decision on, but I can tell you if they wanted to win, they would've at least heard what the fastest guy out their with their product had to say.... For the record, the blown dragpak was a little over 1000hp before David started tuning
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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01/19/16 12:17 PM
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Was the 426 n/a motor dead legal? Or did it have "special" parts? Is it possible that the Indiana builder has supercharged ecperience? Just wondering.
Doug Thinking I read somewhere it was BES (Bischoff) which is the builder of Rob Goss's engine and the fastest gen3 period !! No knock on Barton but it would be silly to think he's the only one who can tune or make gen3's run !!!
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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01/19/16 08:05 PM
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[quote=fourgearsavoy]I was just reading the rules and they stated that the automatic transmission must be the same make as the car. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the early V-10 drag pack cars have a glide in them  Gus  [/quote I believe you can run a glide or a Proflite in all 3 makes. Doug
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