Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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Looking forward to it. Looks as though the Ford guys are taking it on the chin with the weight breaks. The 2.9 whipple weighs 3575 in the Chevy, Ford and Mopar camps. Chevy and Mopar are at 5.7 displacement and the ford is at 5.0. I'm thinking 4 valves will have a hard time catching 50 cubic inches.
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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01/17/16 02:39 PM
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Index (not even sure if that's the right term) racing has always confused me. How does the current set up work where these cars race? They've never raced each other in a heads up manner before?
Extremely happy about the new class as well! Should've been done a long time ago
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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What a great class..... wish they were running it out west as well... well maybe in the future. I would say it's going to be a difficult class to keep honest ....very difficult to police.... but I believe this is what people want to see two thumbs up for an nmca
In the 8s N/A.with Brett miller W8's 5.07 at 133 at 2700lb
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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01/17/16 03:57 PM
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Looks like a 425lb weight break for the N/A V-10 drag pak cars. not sure if that will be enough. When did we get a 7.0 Hemi? (Gen3, presumably) They have one listed.
It may be ugly, but it sure is slow.
Girls comb their hair in rear view mirrors and the boys try to look so hard....
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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I believe Barton runs one of the third gens. Runs in the 8's I believe but I don't know at what weight.
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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Look for some "revisions" in the rules when they discover how weak the modular engine is...
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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01/17/16 08:26 PM
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I see the Drag Packs putting such a whoopin' on the others that they will get 'factored' to death AGAIN. Barton has dyno videos of the COPO Whipple engine making 1000+hp and the 354 Whipple engine making 1136hp. Al Carps car already owns the record for the 7.0L N/A at 8.5***ET. The Gen III Hemi's are BAD little doods. Wish "Mopar" would get some blocks into the aftermarket like NOW....
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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01/17/16 10:21 PM
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This will be fun to watch!
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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Looking forward to it. Looks as though the Ford guys are taking it on the chin with the weight breaks. The 2.9 whipple weighs 3575 in the Chevy, Ford and Mopar camps. Chevy and Mopar are at 5.7 displacement and the ford is at 5.0. I'm thinking 4 valves will have a hard time catching 50 cubic inches. Those extra two valves are gold. I am betting the ferds will be VERY competitive. Don't forget that there are double overhead cams on the four valve motor. That equals faster valve action, more rpm than a pushrod motor. The GT350 motor puts out 101 hp per liter, on pump gas, in street trim. That says to me there is a lot more there in race trim, then when you put the boost to it,,,,,
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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01/17/16 10:52 PM
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The Fords are bad with a blower, and no pushrods helps. I wonder if the ".675 max lift at the valve" rule is for the blower cars as well?
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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I am pretty sure that is the cam lift on the blown Drag Pak cars.
1.33 60 ft,6.21 at 110.59 in the 1/8, pump gas small block,2950lbs,drag radials,mufflers and driven to track ...
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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That must be for all of them across the board, Barton mentioned on FB that his N/A engines had that rule too.
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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That must be for all of them across the board, Barton mentioned on FB that his N/A engines had that rule too. That might have been the case instead of the blown cars.
1.33 60 ft,6.21 at 110.59 in the 1/8, pump gas small block,2950lbs,drag radials,mufflers and driven to track ...
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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01/18/16 12:54 AM
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Looks like Barton's fs/b track pak car ran 8.50's at mid 150's mph back in October. I don't know what it weighed when it made that run. The weight limit is now 3350.
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Re: This should get interesting. Factory super cars.
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What heads do the drag pak run? The coyote head will not keep up with any new hemi head except the early 5.7, that is going to be the difference. Chevy does have heads that can get closer to the apatch/hellcat/eagle/6.1 heads. Without a weight break the coyote will be at the back of the pack, the 4 valves DOHC is nice but you can only turn the RPM so far with limited head flow.
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