Re: Cheap tig welders. Are they worth it?
[Re: EchoSixMike]
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The other thing that the OP needs to address is what I brought up earlier; if you want to weld aluminum and you're looking at used transformer stuff, you better have at least a 60 amp circuit to use, with more being better. 60 amps/230v will get you to about 180-200 amp output on a transformer TIG machine, which is baseline minimum (IMO) to do decent aluminum work on anything other than sheet metal. Unless you want to buy some helium mix, but now we're getting into semi-exotic territory. S/F.....Ken M
I have someone I trust giving me prices for electric upgrades in my garage from 110 to 220. He explained to me that the advantage of using 220 is that there will be less current draw (less electrical cost) than with 110. I had no idea about the required increase in service capacity. I will have to talk to him about that since I was only thinking about 30 amp service.
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Re: Cheap tig welders. Are they worth it?
[Re: sgcuda]
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... He explained to me that the advantage of using 220 is that there will be less current draw (less electrical cost) than with 110... Your cost for the electricity will remain the same, since normally you pay for the amount of energy you consume, and that is voltage multiplied with current multiplied with time. Double the voltage with half the current...
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Re: Cheap tig welders. Are they worth it?
[Re: Evil Spirit]
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12/14/15 03:38 PM
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Biggest knock on the cheaper, low amperage welders is the duty cycle. I have an Eastwood 135 amp - 110v welder that I use the snot out of. Has the shield gas kit and infinate dials, not stepped ones. Pull the covers and you can't tell the difference from a Lincoln, and the Eastwood uses Tweeco consumables. Great for everything from sheet metal up to 3/16" mild steel, but I wouldn't want to do a whole cage with it, due to the 20% duty cycle. I have access to a Miler 200 for the finish cage welding. But the Eastwood is the best $300 I ever spent, other than bar tabs and hookers. The Everlast 200dx has 60% duty cycle at full output (200a). That's one of the reasons I bought it. Compare it to the miller 200dx.
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Re: Cheap tig welders. Are they worth it?
[Re: B1MAXX]
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The Everlast 200dx has 60% duty cycle at full output (200a). That's one of the reasons I bought it.
Compare it to the miller 200dx.
The Everlasts are a reasonably mature product at this point, they do not have the business infrastructure of Lincoln/Miller or ESAB. Notice as they achieve market penetration, their prices go up. I think they could aspire to be like HTP some day, perhaps soon. For those who do not know, HTP imports excellent welders(from Italy IIRC) but they do not have a dealer network, they're in Elk Grove IL or close to it. They do have absolutely excellent customer service and the gear is good enough so that you seldom need it. Their 221 unit is markedly superior to the Miller Dynasty 200, with most of the features of the Dynasty 350 but not the output. But most people don't need much more than 220 amps. The shop next to my part time gig imports and services a 200 amp AC/DC welder that gets rebadged under various tool lines. We used one of their 200 amp welders when our Everlast cooked a board (it still worked, just not 'right' and it was replaced fairly quickly) and 200 amps was inadequate for block and head repair. Would have been OK with 75% helium, but that's money. Honestly, that doesn't apply to most people. S/F....Ken M
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Re: Cheap tig welders. Are they worth it?
[Re: sgcuda]
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I bought my Syncrowave 250DX at the chemical plant I was working at when it closed. I was the only person that had ever used it, probably only ran three pounds of 7018s with it. Luckily my $1003 bid was enough to buy it, the receipt on it was $3450. I'd rather save my money and pay $2000 for a Miller, Lincoln or Esab than pay $1000 for something that may not be well supported. Pay once, cry once. A ton of good welding info here. http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/
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