Cheap tig welders. Are they worth it?
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I know that you get what you pay for. I am looking for home use, not production line. I am thinking through the idea of getting a tig welder for the garage. Yeah, Miller or Lincoln would be nice, but out of budget. I have read a lot of good reviews on the Hobart unit that is available through Northern Tools. From what I have read, it is USA made and affordable. A cheaper option would be the Eastwood Tig200 available through Eastwood or Jegs, made in China. Eastwood seems to have some issues on their reviews, but they might have fixed production problems recently, since most of the bad reviews are older. Obviously, this would be for rollcage fabrication. Also some sheet metal work in aluminum and steel, and even some header work. While I'm on it, can I use the same shielding gas for chrome moly and mild steel?
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Re: Cheap tig welders. Are they worth it?
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All my welders are Lincoln but if I were to buy new I would go with Miller.. myself I would buy the brand names.. can you buy parts for the off name products if needed... for the gas.. tig= 100% argon.. mig= 75/25... for 99% of the use.. if you get into some odd ball stuff then odd ball gas is needed(only in some cases).. also you will find out that the torch(the welding head) wont be what you need for every use.. I have 3 torches for my TIG and different sizes on the collars and tungsten.. I use a lot of 3/32 for the most of my work but I have a whole different hose and torch for real lite work that uses smaller everything EDIT Hobart is a decent lower line welder.. I wouldnt even look at the China stuff... JMO
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Re: Cheap tig welders. Are they worth it?
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I was looking at the Everlast also. I have a budget of around $1,000-$1,500 to spend on a welder. I would love to have a Miller or Lincoln, but it is out of the question. My only other choice would be to finish everything I can with my Mig and contract out any Tig work I need done. I'm not big with trusting other people to do work for me.
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Re: Cheap tig welders. Are they worth it?
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My next tig unit will have the cooling tank on it... I had my brothers tig here when he was building his new house and it had the cooling tank.. yeah its a big unit but it actually uses less power to run than my unit and his is way more powerful.. I have been looking at rebuilt units(brand names) and for what your willing to spend you would be right there for a nicer unit than what your looking at
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Re: Cheap tig welders. Are they worth it?
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Hobart is owned by Miller. I have a Hobart generator /welder. It is the same welder as the Miller bobcat. Hobart is aimed more at farmers and individules as Miller is focused more on commercial. I love my new Hobart and it replaced a Miller I had owned for 20 years.
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Re: Cheap tig welders. Are they worth it?
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Get on Craigslist. Lot of people make the jump and later decide it's not for them. Lots of like new entry level equipment for sale.
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Re: Cheap tig welders. Are they worth it?
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Biggest knock on the cheaper, low amperage welders is the duty cycle. I have an Eastwood 135 amp - 110v welder that I use the snot out of. Has the shield gas kit and infinate dials, not stepped ones. Pull the covers and you can't tell the difference from a Lincoln, and the Eastwood uses Tweeco consumables. Great for everything from sheet metal up to 3/16" mild steel, but I wouldn't want to do a whole cage with it, due to the 20% duty cycle. I have access to a Miler 200 for the finish cage welding. But the Eastwood is the best $300 I ever spent, other than bar tabs and hookers.
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Re: Cheap tig welders. Are they worth it?
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I found my Lincoln Tig in our free local sale ad hand-out but lots of good deals on Craigslist for seldom used welders. I took Night classes ( stick, mig, tig )at our local tech school and was lucky enough to train on the machine I ended up buying.
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Re: Cheap tig welders. Are they worth it?
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Lots of great info. Thanks guys. I had no idea about reconditioned units either. I might hold out for something like that. I have a local Airgas welding supply near me that supplies our torch equipment for the dealership. I might drive over there right after the holidays and see what they have to choose from. They show Miller MaxStar 150 from $1,200 and up. What would be the smallest recommended size for a cage?
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I do weld alum using my Mig machine.. but I HAVE to change the cable and the gun for the alum wire.. the steel cable liner is already dirty and it wont do the alum .. you need a liner that you use JUST FOR ALUM.. if you were to run the steel wire through it you would have to buy a new liner(I just change the whole thing being that its just easier).. takes a bit to get use to but it does a nice job.. I usually lay a piece of alum along side of the job I am working on.. get the start on the separate piece then run over to the job.. that way the wire is up to temp.. and I do change the bottle over to 100% argon
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Re: Cheap tig welders. Are they worth it?
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I would like AC capability for aluminum down the road. Airgas does list Miller and Hobart together. I would love a Miller or Lincoln within budget. I have a Snap-On Mighty Mig 140 that has Tig but I haven't been able to get it to work. Plus, when I change over cables and settings, then revert back, the wire feed calibration gets wacked. Snap-On knows about this, says to just reset the feeder potentiometer. Sounds easy enough, except that all of the covers have to come off in order to do that. Next time, I might just drill a hole in the right area to access the pot with a long screwdriver, and then get on the phone with tech support to see what is wrong with my setup. Can't seem to get an arc going no matter what power level. Mig side works super. Tig does not have foot pedal option or AC.
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Re: Cheap tig welders. Are they worth it?
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Years ago I did aluminum with a smaller Mig. Changed over to a nylon liner and Argon. Not pretty, but it did what I needed it to do. (Repairing gas pump nozzles in the gas stations). Airgas carries Thermal Arc also. Might be worth a visit to get some info.
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Re: Cheap tig welders. Are they worth it?
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I must be a sissy because I won't tig without a water cooled torch. I don't like municipal water for cooling (have had to use it) so my TIG has a built in cooler.
BTW, I paid $750.00 cash for mine used. You need to look at local welding and machine shops who may be upgrading.
I wouldn't buy a TIG I couldn't weld aluminium with.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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