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Re: new Challenger?
[Re: dezduster]
#19073
11/30/05 01:03 PM
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I am sure that the 300C SRT8 ,SRT-4,AND EVO were bone stock. 
They were as "bone stock" as the other cars in the top ten, at a fraction of the cost.
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I am absolutly positive they were taken down to the local TUNER shop for the works which was paid for by DODGE other than the EVO.
The 300C was driven by two Chrysler engineers representing the SRT division. It had the Charger SRT8 suspension, a blueprinted engine, fat tires and catless exhaust. The SRT-4 was driven by Lake Effect Racing, with all upgrades out of the Mopar catalog. The Evo was built and driven by an Evo tuner shop.
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Its not how much power you have its how little mass you must move or turn.
Actually, its the power to weight ratio, traction, the engineering of the chassis and how much you can afford. If you start with a mass produced, high volume vehicle like a Neon, 300, Imprezza, or Lancer you pass those savings to the customer. 4 door sedans also tend to have a stiffer chassis from the centrally located post.
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Re: new Challenger?
[Re: IronYuppie]
#19074
11/30/05 07:49 PM
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Here come the magazine covers...  Just another photochop... huh guys?  XS EDIT: OOPS... FORGET WHAT YA SAW GUYS.  Per a request from MPH magazine to remove the cover picture, I am changing the image posted... anyone know how to get toothpaste back into a tube?  I thought this image was taken from a subscriber copy already out there, but it sounds like it got out before showtime!  I found it on various other message boards and thought everyone here ought to see it too... Also thought it was part of a planned early peek by DCX, even the spy pictures seem too good to be not allowed by DCX to some degree... So, sorry MPH magazine and DCX... didn't mean to  ... BAD XS!... GO TO YOUR ROOM AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YA DONE!   Here is what is posted in a later part of this thread by InViolent: Quote:
Hey, for what it's worth, Eddie Alterman from MPH Magazine has requested that the cover image shown on this post be taken down. I guess he's concerned with DCX's possible reaction?
I had emailed him a few questions about the article, and he asked if there was anything I could do to help him avoid getting into any hot water about that cover image. I told him I would post a request, but also that I am powerless over this situation! LOL...anyway...8 page story in MPH due out January 10th.....
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Re: new Challenger?
[Re: origcharger]
#19076
11/30/05 08:03 PM
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A two door version would out perfom each of these cars for no other reason than mass. More doors more mass!
Becuase of mandated automotive construction safety standards this claim is inaccurate. Comparing cars with usable back seats, there is little differance in mass between a 2 door and 4 door.
Your only point that is not argueable is that you prefer a 2 door over a 4 door.
AH HA "little differance in mass." youre words any will make a differance.
So now you change the rules to a useable back seat? Useable by youre standards or 2 door standards sports/muscle cars type of useable.
If 4 door cars were such a superior platform then all performance cars would be 4 doors.
I have yet to see an 8 second street car like in hot rod this month with 4 doors. Nor have I seen 4 door cars in the top echlons of road racing. If youre theory was true we would all be wanting 4 doors.
I want the biggest car I can get. H E double hockey sticks I will race that limo against youre mustang and win.  Get real.
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Re: new Challenger?
[Re: 70GT318]
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11/30/05 08:36 PM
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Wow, that is beyond cool. I hope they sell alot of Challengers so hint hint a retro 2 DOOR Charger would be next.  Maybe
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Re: new Challenger?
[Re: IronYuppie]
#19079
11/30/05 08:58 PM
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dezduster
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They were as "bone stock" as the other cars in the top ten, at a fraction of the cost. I AM FLYING THE BS FLAG . How much time and money was invested is disclosed where. The 300C was driven by two Chrysler engineers representing the SRT division. It had the Charger SRT8 suspension, a blueprinted engine, fat tires and catless exhaust. The SRT-4 was driven by Lake Effect Racing, with all upgrades out of the Mopar catalog. The Evo was built and driven by an Evo tuner shop. Once again the BS flag flys. My point was simply if a large 4 door car like the CHARGER was cut down to a 2 door(Challenger) using all same components/ platform and DESIGNED AS A 2 DOOR the 2 door WILL perform BETTER. Of course the extra weight lengthand doors must be left off also. Quote:
Its not how much power you have its how little mass you must move or turn.
Actually, its the power to weight ratio, traction, the engineering of the chassis and how much you can afford. If you start with a mass produced, high volume vehicle like a Neon, 300, Imprezza, or Lancer you pass those savings to the customer. 4 door sedans also tend to have a stiffer chassis from the centrally located post.
Some of youre statement is true .However you are still missing my point. If you use the same platform ,power train,HORSE POWER,suspension,and last but not least TIRES,The lighter vehichle built to the same specific structural standards WILL handle better.
I am pretty much through with any more discusions. You may claim youreselves as victors. I see the CHALLENGER IS BECOMING A REALITY. Buy your Charger an 07 and I will purchase a equally prepped 07 Challenger we will race and find out who is correct. Road course or drag race.That is the best way to solve this enigma. 
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Re: new Challenger?
[Re: dezduster]
#19081
11/30/05 09:57 PM
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A two door version would out perfom each of these cars for no other reason than mass. More doors more mass!
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Becuase of mandated automotive construction safety standards this claim is inaccurate. Comparing cars with usable back seats, there is little differance in mass between a 2 door and 4 door.
Your only point that is not argueable is that you prefer a 2 door over a 4 door.
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AH HA "little differance in mass." youre words any will make a differance.
Huh?
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So now you change the rules to a useable back seat? Useable by youre standards or 2 door standards sports/muscle cars type of useable.
Useable back seat as in similar sized, useable as in actually having a back seat, useable back seats so we aren't comparing a 2 door sports car with a near non existant back seat to a Chrysler 300.
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If 4 door cars were such a superior platform then all performance cars would be 4 doors.
I suppose they might be if that were true but I never made that assertion.
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I have yet to see an 8 second street car like in hot rod this month with 4 doors. Nor have I seen 4 door cars in the top echlons of road racing.
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If youre theory was true we would all be wanting 4 doors.
My theory is that in todays cars, there is little differance in mass between a 2 door and 4 door versions of similar sized cars that actually have useable back seats. My theory has little to do with how many doors anyone wants.
MOPARTS ALERT!: Chris Pugh aka gabodyman of Dalton, Georgia, cashed my $140 money order on 4-16-02 never sent parts. On 3-19-07 he agreed to return my money; "april 9, it will be in the mail by that date""will do as promised. chris" Still no parts and no money!
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Re: new Challenger?
[Re: kmfdm]
#19083
11/30/05 10:22 PM
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My god, its got a crosshair grill.
MOPARTS ALERT!: Chris Pugh aka gabodyman of Dalton, Georgia, cashed my $140 money order on 4-16-02 never sent parts. On 3-19-07 he agreed to return my money; "april 9, it will be in the mail by that date""will do as promised. chris" Still no parts and no money!
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Re: new Challenger?
[Re: MonGoo$e]
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11/30/05 11:17 PM
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Wow, looks better w/ a '70 grill 
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Re: new Challenger?
[Re: dezduster]
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11/30/05 11:43 PM
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Nor have I seen 4 door cars in the top echlons of road racing.
Then you don't watch much REAL road racing. NASCAR doesn't count, as that is not real racing.
SRT-4s, Evos, Subaru WRX STi's, they all DOMINATE road courses. And they all have 4 doors..... 
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I want the biggest car I can get. H E double hockey sticks I will race that limo against youre mustang and win. Get real.
Now you are just reaching. Pathetically, I might add...
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Re: new Challenger?
[Re: dezduster]
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12/01/05 02:00 AM
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My pathetic comment was in regards to your limo vs. Mustang arguement, which I found to be weak, and pathetic. Quote:
I suppose you are not interested in pursuing the CHARGER vs CHALLENGER heads up race in 07 or are you? GOOD DAY
No, since the Challenger will be a smaller car, supposedly with more hp, it's like racing a Viper vs a stock Mustang. Incomparable.
As for your trying to disregard the Evo and Neon, you never said the size of the car came into play, just the number of doors. Of COURSE a smaller car with a similarly powered engine will be faster. That's just common sense. However, the # of doors does not significantly affect the performance of the car.
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Re: new Challenger?
[Re: dezduster]
#19091
12/01/05 02:03 AM
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Devilbrad
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I have yet to see an 8 second street car like in hot rod this month with 4 doors.
This was in Hot Rod magazine, 8.752 @ 159.27. Conventional? No. 8 second 4 door in Hot Rod? Yes.
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Re: new Challenger?
[Re: xs29j8]
#19092
12/01/05 02:53 AM
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WOW!  That thing is sexy from the front! That grille would be so easy to replace that I am sure the aftermarket will start popping out 70 and 71 replicas for it. If it really is in the $28K neighborhood as they claim, I'll have one in my driveway. Are you listening, Dodge? Oh yeah, I want to read the other cover story, and not for the car.  
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I suppose you are not interested in pursuing the CHARGER vs CHALLENGER heads up race in 07 or are you? GOOD DAY 
