new Challenger?

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 06:40 AM

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Doug's drawing was very close...

True - and he did a great job. But if these are true spy shots they end all the speculation.

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 06:42 AM

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I thought the same thing. But, this is called a spy shot, and, it looks a bit too sophisticated to be a photochop....

The pictures look real... just wondering if Doug had some influence... maybe even participated? Probably just wishful thinking though, but Doug's work is FANTASTIC!!!

XS

Posted By: RUMBLON

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 06:45 AM

I want more pics, info and if it does look like that--------------AN ORDER FORM!!!!

That is one sweet looking ride. and with a 6.1 425 HP HEMI, one will be in my garage.
LAWFISH

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Posted By: DirectSubjection

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 06:45 AM

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just wondering if Doug had some influence... maybe even participated?

Didn't he join up after someone told him his pics were here? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

A little water testing amongst the most critical sharks perhaps?

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 06:48 AM

I'm a Plymouth guy but....

Posted By: 72N96RR

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 06:50 AM

I would love to get one but I think the smart thing to do is wait another year after production for the upgrades and to work out the first year bugs..Thus coming from me a guy that has worked in the auto plants for 26 years and has seen this happen year in and year out!!!! Great looking car though!!!!!

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 06:55 AM

I dont like it...
(just wanted to

)

Posted By: DirectSubjection

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 07:31 AM

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I dont like it...
(just wanted to )

Why does it only have two doors?

Posted By: cal_gecko

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 07:36 AM

I'm gonna throw up the "BS Flag" here..

that looks like an old challenger with a photoshopped grille and rear end. I don't think those photos are real

Posted By: Just Cameron

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 07:39 AM

With a manual?

Maybe I WON'T go buy a Solstice just yet...

Posted By: Barnabas_Kriss

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 07:57 AM

Lets hope it will actually get built, and they won't change the design for the worse. I really like what I see in the photos, if it becomes available, and priced competitively, I WILL buy one. Currently I drive a 2003 Mustang, I would trade in it in a heartbeat!

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 08:16 AM

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that looks like an old charger with a photoshopped grille and rear end. I don't think those photos are real

Here is another article...

http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0511/21/A01-388656.htm

If it is a hoax... it is a darn good one!...

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 08:25 AM

Hmmm, quite a different version here.

Might have to sit through a commercial!

http://www.motortrend.com/future/concepts/112_0509_dodge_challenger/index.html

Posted By: outcast

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 08:28 AM

There is life after the 4 door Charge. Heres hoping they build it.

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 08:37 AM

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Hmmm, quite a different version here.
Might have to sit through a commercial!

Not to worry... that is an old article (September) and the sketch is a MT one. The AutoWeek article seemed to say the drawing was an official DCX release:

Quote from AutoWeek article:

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The Dodge boys released a sketch of the car to the world, but we obtained these exclusive spy photos of the car, which will premiere at the North American International Auto Show in January in Detroit.

Apparently more drawings and maybe pictures will be released in the next week or so...

XS

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 09:02 AM

Phew!

Posted By: 0791challenger

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 09:24 AM

My question is, will the SRT-8 version have the 510 horse hemi that was at sema? I realllly hope so.

Josh

Posted By: 69HemiGTX

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 09:36 AM

I will put a down payment on one of those tomorrow if that is what they are going to build. Let's all say a prayer that the krauts won't booger this one up like the Barger.

I like this quote from the link XS posted:

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"We wanted to do a muscle coupe that connects with the American heritage," said Tom Tremont, vice president for advance product design for the Chrysler Group.

Hmmm...

Nope, that's not Trevor Creed being quoted there. Hopefully, the design guys banished him from the studios!

Posted By: EV2DEMON

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 09:58 AM

I'm not a big fan of the retro look at all, but that car looks good. Talk about being pleasantly surprised.

Gotta show these pics to my wife, hopefully I can talk her out of the SRT-8 Charger and into waiting for this.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 10:45 AM

that is definatly not a hoax, photoshopped pictures have something to them that definatly can be seen, hard to tell but you know something is off. with these pictures it just looks too real, and with autoweek bringing it forth, there is no doubts in my mind its real as I respect that magazine a lot. Its all really simple, DCX had to bring in the 4 door cars to make money, thats what sells. and they are awsome 4 doors compared to the competition, no one disagrees there. Now we get to enjoy the outcome of a very succesful run of the LX cars. The Viper didnt just pop out of nowhere, it took the profits earned from soccer moms everywhere buying minivans for a decade to do something like that. Now we see it with the Challenger. I dont think DCX would make this a concept either with no intentions of a production run, that would make us all go insane! I think theyve been listening to us all along, these guys are enthusiasts too afterall and im sure they wanted something like this. I just cant wait to see these things spanking the competition, and should start saving my down payment now!

Posted By: BarryBum

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 10:54 AM

I have already "warned" the wife, if they build it and it looks close the that copper one in the picture, I will own one!!

Posted By: abodyjoe

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 11:57 AM

now that i like... i think the front should be less flat like in the drawing but the rest is nice.. i will still believe it when i see it on the dealers lot... knowing the idiots at chrysler they will probably price it at $60,000..

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Posted By: 69 Road Runner

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 12:40 PM

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Here is another article...

http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0511/21/A01-388656.htm

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"Although Chrysler had the Barracuda and Challenger, they weren't considered pony cars until the 1968, 1969 and 1970 versions came out," DeLorenzo said.

Yeah, that 68 Dodge Challenger really started the pony cars for Chrysler. Plus, that 67 Barracuda I have is soooo much different than the 68s that I can see why they would say that.

Let's hope they get that new Challenger to the showrooms ASAP. As for first year cars, I have 2 first year Mopars and I'm very happy (Pacifica and Magnum R/T).

Posted By: TeeWJay426

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 12:52 PM

I would buy that, if it makes it to production the way it looks there. Hopefully it won't be another bait & switch the way the '99 Charger concept was.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 12:55 PM

They announced today on the morning news[Detroit], that Chrysler will have the concept/prototype Challenger at the North American Auto Show next year[January]

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 01:03 PM

Chrysler sure does love that Burnt Orange (GoManGo).

It looks good from the front, but that back shot makes the front fender look funny. Maybe just the angle?

Posted By: 1fastsixpack

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 01:18 PM

Im in for one it it looks close to the photo,as for the price,if its in the 50 or 60,000 range i will pass and buy a 1970 or 71 for that kind of money!! Hope its under 35K loaded with the big motor

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 01:23 PM

i think it will be priced alongside the mustang, the GTO was over priced and it flopped, DCX wouldnt do that, at least I dont think they would

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 01:33 PM

All I know is..if they were to give it the power and qualities of the SRT8 I drove, and knocked some weight and wheelbase off.......

Posted By: ErikR

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 01:47 PM

well unlike the charger unveiling, this one gets the thumbs up.

manuals trans and a pistol grip, it's almost too good to be true. I like it and would definately consider buying one on about a year when I'll be in the market for a car.

so is the SRT-8 version gonna have a shaker..

I guess retro is not dead after all

Posted By: Burt

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 01:50 PM

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Doug's drawing was very close... almost too close...

he even got the wheels right

Posted By: KillerBee

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 01:58 PM

should I dare say my dream...CONVERTIBLE?? maybe??

Posted By: EV2DEMON

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 01:58 PM

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i think it will be priced alongside the mustang, the GTO was over priced and it flopped, DCX wouldnt do that, at least I dont think they would

You could get a stripper Mustang for less money, but when comparing cars with similar options, the GTO and Mustang are priced pretty close to eachother. The GTO is a better car, so while it is a bit more money, it's still a better value IMO.

I wouldn't call the GTO a flop either. The 05's outsold the 04's by nearly 2 to 1. It never did and never will sell as many as the Mustang, but Pontiac never expected it too either.

Posted By: JulesdaWiperman

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 02:19 PM

I like alot. The front end has a bit of the 71 challenger look to it. Not to fond of the rear end lites but who cares. If they actually
go ahead with it, I'm in!.
Jules

Posted By: 71sat440

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 02:23 PM

Wheres the duck tail spoiler

Wheres the TA hood

Unfortuanately I'm a guy with a mid-high 20's budget and knowing DC it's gonna be a 30k + car

Posted By: Not_A_Duster

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 02:36 PM

That's pretty nice. I'm not a big E-body fan, but still this is waaaayyy better...

Wonder if it will be affordable to regular folk, or if it's just gonna be for the priviledged?

Guess we will just have to wait & see.

Posted By: Not_A_Duster

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 02:40 PM

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Trevor Creed is Head of the entire design department.

...Just ask him.

Read an interesting interview with him in my most recent copy of Strada magazine...

...He is every bit as arrogant as he has come across in his quotes regarding the Charger over the past year....

Posted By: DirectSubjection

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 02:41 PM

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Wheres the duck tail spoiler Wheres the TA hood
Unfortuanately I'm a guy with a mid-high 20's budget and knowing DC it's gonna be a 30k + car

I'll bet there will be aftermarket shaker setups available pretty quickly.

I think they'll price it in the stang range - probably not cheaper since its an all-new design but I'd say within a close proximity. Top optioned models will run over $30K I'm sure but think of how expensive the hemi cars were back in the day in relation to the others.

Posted By: Orange_Crush

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 02:44 PM

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That's pretty nice. I'm not a big E-body fan, but still this is waaaayyy better...

Wonder if it will be affordable to regular folk, or if it's just gonna be for the priviledged?

Guess we will just have to wait & see.

Top of the line 300 SRT-8 totally optioned out costs about 45 grand and that's the Chrysler group's flagship.

Chances are, this car will sticker for the mid-to-high thirties for the SRT version.

The expensive one's gonna be the Firepower.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 02:49 PM

yah it is supposedly similar to the LX so it should start at low 20s for a 6, its all in the chassis! pretty much a 2 door Charger/300 with some new skin. I wonder how it will look with the Bently grill

Posted By: 1970GTX

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 02:58 PM

I like it!!!!!

Posted By: Orange_Crush

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 02:59 PM

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yah it is supposedly similar to the LX so it should start at low 20s for a 6, its all in the chassis! pretty much a 2 door Charger/300 with some new skin. I wonder how it will look with the Bently grill

Its supposed to be built on the next generation LX platform.

Dodge is gonna get the Challenger and (rumor has it) the Firepower (or whatever itll be called) will be built on the upcoming Viper platform and will be a direct competitor to the standard Corvette while the next Gen. Viper will be a Z06 killer.

Posted By: rtse70

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 03:03 PM

If the car looks like that, Count me in!! I'd like to see the crosshairs gone. If they are going retro, go all the way. Think they can do an automatic, triple black.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 03:16 PM

You know mine will be ordered with the Hemi and the T/A hood if possible.

Patrick

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 03:20 PM

Yet another link... 5,000 to 10,000 annually?!?... Ya got to be kidding! Unless the people begging and whining for the past 2 years are full of it and won't back up their talk, the first year's sales should top 50,000...

Well guys, looks like DCX may call your "bluff"... what ya gonna do? As I stated before, I WILL buy one if it looks like that and is priced to compete with the Mustang... won't even wait for rebates... won't be able to control myself that long...

Here is the new link:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/

EDIT - OOOPS, direct link did not work... scroll down the business page to find the link..

XS

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 03:34 PM

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You know mine will be ordered with the Hemi and the T/A hood if possible.

Patrick

So, Patrick... might it look like THIS car did at a show in the 1980s?...

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Posted By: 70Coronet500Vert

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 03:36 PM

Hey, there's a balc superbird in that pic. Do you have another pic of just the superbird?

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 03:55 PM

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Hey, there's a balc superbird in that pic. Do you have another pic of just the superbird?

I have several pictures of the black Superbird. It belongs to a friend in Austin, Texas and is the one that was in Dazed & Confused... I even have a video of a TV news story about a Mopar meet in San Antonio that briefly showed the car. The car was restored to the original B5 Blue about 10 years ago... attached is a picture of how it looks now.

XS

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Posted By: CJK440

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 03:57 PM

That concept is sexy. Schwing!!! If they insist on putting a crosshair grille in it, thats the only way to do it. It looks like a stacked 71 grille. I like it.....

That is beautiful and I hope it is priced competitively with the Mustang. From what I see here that concept does a better job of emulating the original than the new mustang does.

Fingers crossed!!!

Posted By: PAINT IT BLACK

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 03:58 PM

I don't believe the pics. Yeah, I agree that they don't scream photoshop... but there is just something about them... or maybe I am crazy.

Whatever the case may be, I just wonder if they would produce a car today with such a small rear window. Don't get me wrong, I love it like the old ones... I think the drawings front end looked a little better than the photo... more deminsion. I gotta say though... it is AWESOME. I don't know if I would be a buyer though. Gotta have my truck. And if there is to be an additional $35K car to be purchased, it will be vintage. But if I could talk my wife into letting go of the Acura around 2010, then maybe I can have my cake and eat it too!

Posted By: 72N96RR

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 04:00 PM

The early releases will probably include a 6 and a low HP hemi or just standard 8..Thats the lure then they pop out with the all out Hemi/shaker or R/T model a year later to make the hot rodders happy and keep sales up..Each year will have the bigger and better to peak/hold interest..Ive seen it a million times..

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 04:00 PM

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Nice picture Allen. Which one is Mark A?

Patrick

Mark is the guy that is seated. The guy standing is a friend named Eric, and the seated girl is Eric's girlfriend at the time. I still need to get you more old pictures... did I ever send you any yet?

You can email me at: xs29j8@charter.net

XS

Posted By: 1BAD383

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 04:12 PM

If the price was reasonable, I would get one. But it would cost about as much a Viper. I like Vipers too but can't afford them either.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 04:14 PM

The car looks off, the grille looks pasted on,
the pictures look fakish to me like the "challenger" bits are out of proportion to the rest of the car.

Posted By: PlumCrazy73Dodge

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 04:25 PM

SOLD TO ME!!! Can't I just buy that one??? I love it and will sell everything to buy it. Mike

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 04:28 PM

Patrick - I will start looking for pictures of your car again. I even have one or two with the racing paint job, but it believe it was partially covered with a tarp. Please email me at the above address so we can talk directly...Thanks - Allen

Here is a link on a GM oriented forum... interesting exchange between the bowtie faithful...

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=22971

Sounds like most of them like it... maybe enough to buy one?!?

XS

Posted By: RodStRace

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 05:15 PM

Just in case the corp. guys are watching, here is my

You make a hemi with a 6-speed in this car and I will buy one. If it's still a MB auto (expensive, complex mess), I will not. Make mine Black with a White interior, Shaker, ducktail, and as few electromechanical band-aids (no ABS, Suspension, etc.) as possible.

Oh, and if you think the Bullitt did well, make a Vanishing Point version with Rallyes...

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 05:21 PM

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Hate to sound negative...but the pictures do look supsicious...where is the shadow of the second guy on the car...if the sun created a nice shadow of the guy in the white shirt...I don't notice the second guy...It would appear that the white mini-van should block both, based on their postion against it...also the rear window angles look a little off ...the car looks great hopefully they make it...can't wait to see it in person...

oh yeah if you look at the front of driver side fender there is images of two people standing in front of the car ....this convinces me that it's definitely a photo-chop...the people are facing left and in the same direction...Does anyone else see the images??

Posted By: jrwoodjoe

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 05:31 PM

If that car is built...and if it is priced below 30K...DCX will have a hit. That is a great looking car!!

Joe

Posted By: BADBEE

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 05:35 PM

That is sweet! DC cannot go wrong with that design. I will get one.

Posted By: Rallye_Boy

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 05:42 PM

If it looks like that i will deifinitely buy one. Of coarse if it is fairly priced

Posted By: igozumn

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 05:43 PM

My wife says, "Is THAT cool looking?" I said, "Heck yeah!!!"

What this tells me, is that someone inside Dodge actually knows what should be built. Too bad it took a bastardization of an American icon (Charger) to get the message to someone important enough to see the light. While I can't afford either one right now, they did almost have me sold on the new Charger idea, only because it was the cheapest LX out there and the Daytona package with its tacked on black stuff, imho, helps the poor thing out. Plus, once you are inside and driving, you can't see how unattractive the outside is. It's not one of those cars you turn around to look at as you're walking inside from the parking lot.

But, this Challenger concept, I give it 2 drools and a dancing banana! (as long as real people can fit into the back seat, unlike the Mustang....)

plus a bonus black marks

Posted By: shanker

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 05:51 PM

If thats the production car, Im saving my pennies till its released, and writing a check for that bad boy

Posted By: MikeP

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 05:59 PM

Grill opening looks disproportionly small/narrow in the photo's, not the illistration....

Other than that...

Posted By: gtx6970

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 06:03 PM

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Let me get this straight.
Ford has a Mustang,
Pontiac has a GTO,
Dodge is considereing a Challenger.
All we need now is Chevy to come back with a all new Camaro and its 1970 all over again!
Muscle car wars are back!!!

And this is a bad thing because !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted By: ErikR

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 06:11 PM

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[...also the rear window angles look a little off ...

yes they do look very different, in the one pic the quarter glass looks like stock 70 glass and in the other its pretty different, not as narrow on the top.

I guess I assumed this wasnt a hoax b/c of the website it's on (and other sites) but on second thought maybe we have to wait and see if this if for real...

Posted By: kmfdm

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 06:23 PM

the insiders on allpar are not denying this as the real thing. one of them stated we will see it soon (Naias im assuming). The best part about this is that supposedly it's LX based and not LY so we may see it in production form sooner than expected. I guess DCX has called all of our "build a two door, Hemi powered, Mustang fighter and ill buy one right now" bluffs. So bust out the check books boys and girls, it's time to go mustang hunting.

Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 06:29 PM

My money is that it's a photoshop job, look at the front fender in the passenger side view, it looks like it's two tall or bulky looking as compared to other views, there is something definately "off" about the pic. At any rate, as said by a previous poster, I'll believe it when I see one for sale at a dealership. I do like the looks of this concept (if that's what it really is) but I also liked the 1999 Charge concept car and we all know how that one went

Posted By: Moeggenpar

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 06:34 PM

Posted By: sixpackgut

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 06:39 PM

Dear Lord, let the wheel bolt pattern be 5x 4.5 so i could put 15" wheels on it with tall drag radials and skinnies up front. Amen

a Dana 60 would be great too

Posted By: ackpht

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 06:46 PM

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if you think the Bullitt did well, make a Vanishing Point version with Rallyes...

My thoughts exactly (rattlesnakes extra).

The photos look real to me. As for the grille, nothing a little black paint won't fix.

If those make it to the showrooms, so will I.

Posted By: BirdinPieces

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 06:47 PM

I think they are calling this a concept to see initial reaction just in case they get the same response as the charger. They still have time to change any glaring negatives that come up.

That being said, my first initial reaction is

although it is almost too retro. I would have one in my driveway without a doubt as is.

If they build it, I hope it doesnt become a laden down pig with options galor so it is a couch on wheels. Keep it simple and light. I am not suggesting things like no air conditioning, but we dont need power everything and cup holders on every panel. NO Mercedes wood interior/options crap for the "sophisticated" driver, it needs an interior for a driving enthusiast that is all business, no fluff.

Posted By: DJVCuda

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 06:48 PM

wow... it's a total mirror to the charger thread.. no negative energy here... no locked threads either...

Posted By: DirectSubjection

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 06:49 PM

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although it is almost too retro.

I could see them altering the front for more impact protection on production models.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 07:00 PM

What would a "Challenger concept" vehicle be doing in the woods?

One could only hope this is the real deal.

Patrick

Posted By: sixpackgut

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 07:14 PM

you guys are ruining my prayer

Posted By: dbdartman

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 07:16 PM

Am I the only one that sees the 99 Charger concept car behind/beneath that E-body styling?

Posted By: jrwoodjoe

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 07:36 PM

I agree with Taco that my first thought in looking at the front end was wondering if it would get altered for front impact regs.

Regarding oddities with the photos (photochoping):
I noticed that the top photo has the shadow of the guy..yet there is no sun on him and there appears to be no shadow of the (Toyota?) van.

Like I said before, if this is built and if they price it under 30K, I don't think they will be able to keep them on the lots.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 07:38 PM

Ok Sorry to pick this apart, but if you also look at the front & rear tire they are from the exact same image used during the chopping process...I think this case is closed

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 07:42 PM

The keyword is IF they make it.........

Posted By: Devil

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 07:43 PM

Anyone want to buy a 71 Challenger? I have a need for new speed. All I need to do is sell a kidney or liver and I'll be good to go.

Ryan

Posted By: moparkid1966

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 07:49 PM

Not bad looking. They may have pulled the retro off without the cartoonish look of the mustang, but i will hold my final opinion untill i see it in person.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 07:53 PM

i'm gonna start saving my pennies, and then buy a new mustang if it doesn't actually look like that, i think with some money set aside each month for a couple years i could make a pretty good dent in one but it would have to have a 6.1 so i can get terrible MPG and the hippies will be furious...

Posted By: rtse70

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 08:01 PM

OK EVERYBODY PREPARE YOURSELF THE CAR IS...........LEGITIMATE, ACCORDING TO AUTOWEEK JUST GOT THIS EMAIL

"Mike,
Go to autoweek.com directly for all the info. They are legit, non-photoshopped spy photos of the actual concept car.
Bob

Bob Gritzinger
Senior Editor, News
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Bare in mind its a concept car, didn't everybody like the Charger concept car, its the actual car I am worried about. They still have to take this back to the drawing board/ production line don't they? I think the car was in the woods for a photo shoot. The sun is at a weird angle in those photos too.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 08:17 PM

If that is chopped it is awesome work, look at the door handles, roof area around the rear glass, modern A post style, laid back screen,no screen mouldings etc etc that is a huge amount of detail to incorporate into a hoax

I love it, hope it comes over here

Posted By: kbcuda

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 08:27 PM

it was taken either early morning or late afternoon, the sun is coming from the rear of the car down low on the horizon. The person shadow on the car is the person that you can hardly see on the right in the first picture.,and that's why no shadow from the min-van.Is that mini-van a toyota??

Posted By: InViolent

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 08:28 PM

Even if the pics are bogus (and they sure look chopped to me!), I like the fact that this is getting people talking (even on the GM and Ford Boards) and for the most part...the "idea" and concept is a HIT! Maybe it might sway an opinion or two on how to design the real concept Challenger.

Posted By: cal_gecko

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 08:29 PM

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I'm gonna throw up the "BS Flag" here..

that looks like an old challenger with a photoshopped grille and rear end. I don't think those photos are real

Again.. I think it's a Photochop.. a good one, but still a chop

Posted By: Old_Moparz

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 08:46 PM

There's a discussion on another forum & I'll say the same thing I said over there, it's a fake. Too many parts of the image are in & out of focus, the chrome trim, roof line, body line & side mirror are exact copies of an old E-Body. There's trim on side windows, but no chrome on the front & rear windows. Why would that be done? Some parts of the photo are washed out & grainy, while others are too clear or enhanced.

I like the look, but it's just like an honest politician, it isn't real.

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Posted By: 383GTS

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 08:58 PM

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The keyword is IF they make it.........

If there is anyone from DCX

. I have a 97 Dakota and a 2001 Durango I bought new. I will buy one if you build it ...

Posted By: IronYuppie

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 09:10 PM

It looks like a Photochop to me. Regardless, they said they got the sketch from Dodge, which looks just like the picture.

Posted By: Orange_Crush

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 09:17 PM

I think this is like the grainy vids of JFK getting his head blown off. Everyone sees something different to add to the conspiracy.

Do you all remember E8502 who briefly posted on this board with drawings of the '06 Charger before anyone had seen it? The same guy is saying that this WILL be the '08 Challenger which will go on sale in the spring/summer of '07.

Take it for what its worth.

Posted By: 73Chally440

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 09:19 PM

HOLY SWEET MOTHER OF GOD THAT LOOKS GOOD!

Posted By: Old_Moparz

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 09:27 PM

I saw this sketch on the Cuda-Challenger site, & like this one even better. It would have been more believable too.

Posted By: moparkid1966

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 10:12 PM

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I saw this sketch on the Cuda-Challenger site, & like this one even better. It would have been more believable too.

.

But that one wasn't released from dodge.

If they build this car giving in to the wishes of us car lovers, and it doesn't sell, i imagine it will be the last performance coupe they put out for at least a couple decades

Posted By: Montclaire

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 10:14 PM

Even if it is a fake, let's hope that's what they are going to build. It has all the right cues, yet still retains the blocky look of the charger and 300. It fits right in with both the current chrysler line and the retro path of the 05 mustang. If the corporate ear is to the ground on this one, bring it in for 2k under the mustang and don't throw a lot of options at it as 'standard.' Guys are going to want a stripper package car, with little in the way of creature comforts and all in the way of performance.

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: new Challenger? - 11/21/05 11:50 PM

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I think this is like the grainy vids of JFK getting his head blown off. Everyone sees something different to add to the conspiracy.

Do you all remember E8502 who briefly posted on this board with drawings of the '06 Charger before anyone had seen it? The same guy is saying that this WILL be the '08 Challenger which will go on sale in the spring/summer of '07.

Take it for what its worth.

It almost seems that some folks don't want it to be true... I do some photochops and have some idea what to look for, and find few if any indications... I believe that the pictures are real!

According to the admin over at Allpar, better images are coming tomorrow ...

Here is what he said and a link to the Allpar Challenger page:

Quote:

Today, 02:24 PM Post #109

Administrator

Group: Supermen
Posts: 4,937
Joined: 13-July 02
From: United States
Member No.: 283

All I can say is:
http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger.html
"more tomorrow" and better than the "other photos" you've seen

Now this is not to say that production is certain or that the styling won't change... just that the photos show one of the concept cars that DCX will display at the Detroit Auto Show...

XS

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 12:07 AM

All I can say right now is, I planned on a new Charger for my first new car, in a couple years. I think I'll wait, and save up for this car.

Posted By: MPerry

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 12:35 AM

I sort of like it but don't think it will be affordable for me. Guess I'll just have to wait and see.

~Mike~

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 12:44 AM

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" the Challenger gets a 6.1-liter Hemi hooked to a six-speed manual transmission with a pistol grip shifter. "

Please....Please...DCX....build this...and dont change it....I will be camped out at the door of my Dodge dealer....sell my Mach and never buy another Ford again.....

I even put a pistol grip in my Mach 1

If they build it I will be the first in line

Posted By: Prince_Valiant

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 12:45 AM

After reading all the "Gunman-on-the-grassy-knoll" type conspiracy post in this thread, I can say that this thread is proof POSITIVE, that some form of brain damage must occur from long term exposure to high octane gasoline fuel or something!

Seriously...ask yourself this: Why would autoweek print a completely made up photo? Don't you think they know their source for the photo? Don't you think that their sources WOULDN'T give them a known fake? Especially when there is generally decent money involved here and in the future?

Not saying that there isn't ANY photoshoping in the picture...it's NOT uncommon for magazines to touch up the photo's using photo shop...sometiems to remove shadows, or to remove any manufactuer camouflage, etc....just to clear up what the car *actually* looks like, so they don't go to print with just a blob in the pic.

ALWAYS ASK YOURSELF: WHAT THE HELL IS THERE TO GAIN AND HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE TO BE INVOLVED TO PULL OFF THESE SILLY THEORIES! That right there kills 99% of these conspiracies.

Posted By: Mass_Mopar

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 01:24 AM

I don't think it's a chop. The reflections in the paint from the tree, the overall lighting of the car, and the uniform finish of the picture (no chop lines like those that would exist if someone slapped a new nose on the car). I vote that it's real.

Posted By: Jeff_T

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 01:33 AM

direct quote from creed........if its a hoax then ill be damned

The 2006 Dodge Challenger concept resurrects another authentic American muscle car for the Dodge brand and continues to build on the success and heritage of the HEMI� engine. "This concept possesses the heritage and classic forms of the original Dodge Challenger," said Trevor Creed, Senior Vice President�Design. "However, the ability to use the Dodge Magnum, Dodge Charger and Chrysler 300 series architecture as the concept's foundation allowed us to bring a new level of quality and fit-and-finish to a muscle car icon."

http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=5963&categoryId=21

Posted By: beepsalot

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 01:35 AM

if they build it like that, or very close to that, i'll buy one....enuf said....beeps

Posted By: ImfamousJIM

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 01:37 AM

ditto

Posted By: moparkid1966

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 01:40 AM

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if they build it like that, or very close to that, i'll buy one....enuf said....beeps

Now we just need to see the interior.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 01:47 AM

Has anybody seen a more easily replaceable grill?

What's the pool on when the 1st 426 Hemi gets transplanted into it?

Posted By: Mass_Mopar

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 01:50 AM

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Has anybody seen a more easily replaceable grill?

What's the pool on when the 1st 426 Hemi gets transplanted into it?

That's what I first thought when I saw that grille.

Posted By: Jeff_T

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 02:00 AM

DODGE FEVER IS BACK AGAIN!!!!

Posted By: sixpackgut

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 02:08 AM

what if they put that stupid, i can't read a map computer in the dash that comes standard in the charger and 300c hemi cars

Posted By: moparkid1966

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 02:26 AM

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what if they put that stupid, i can't read a map computer in the dash that comes standard in the charger and 300c hemi cars

Then you won't have to carry a map.

Posted By: Junky

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 02:37 AM

I like it! Hope they build one like it or very similar to it...with 2 doors.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 02:52 AM

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what if they put that stupid, i can't read a map computer in the dash that comes standard in the charger and 300c hemi cars

sorry but if your talking about GPS, id rather have that than a map, those things do it all....this is a modern car after all

Posted By: sixpackgut

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 03:05 AM

really, all that stuff is what makes the charger weight over 4000lbs. if i special ordered mine with the least amount of options, maybe it will be worth the most 35 years down the road

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 03:31 AM

Well, there are some pictures on the Allpar Challenger page now... seems to be improved versions of the ones on AutoWeek, with more detail visible. I am not sure if these are the promised better pictures, I was hoping for different photos.

Here is a link to the Allpar Challenger page:

http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger.html

XS

Posted By: 11secaarcuda

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 03:35 AM

I wonder if it is called the LY platform because it it a lie?

Posted By: chicagotim2003

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 03:54 AM

The detroit auto show is in january.Maybe more details by then?I have never photoshopped /chopped.If this is a photoshop can someone here produce something close to pictures as seen?And if that car is real i will 100% buy one .

Posted By: TC@HP2

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 04:07 AM

A new pony car war perhaps...

http://www.norcal-ls1.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43499

Posted By: cudajoe

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 04:31 AM

You better not sell my ole Cuda to pay for it Barry!

I dunno, look real close at the drivers side window and the rear 1/4 window...see that thin divider? that wouldn't meet impact requirements and remember how little those seal anything out?? wind noise, rain etc and look at the actual flow of the lines on the door..I bet that thing in the pictures isnt a "new" Challenger at all, I think it is a photo mule of an original Challenger wearing fiberglass panels front and rear. The rear roof line and the and the window moldings that is to dated to be new. I have old design studio photos of cars wearing different sheetmetal and add on's for picture purposes.

I like it but I still don't believe it until I go to Detroit this Janurary to see it and I am going because I want to believe!

My .02 but seriously really look at it.

Posted By: Keith Richards

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 05:05 AM

I think that picture is real, They have to be seeing how crazy people are about the new Mustangs. I think they will build it and sell it a few years late just like they did in 70'.

I'll take mine in sublime , Hemi and a pistol grip 6 -speed...... Thank You!

Posted By: Jeff_T

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 05:12 AM

Impact requirments and wind noise issues for a concept car? The proportions of the main structures look the same but arent 1970 vintage.....the roof lines are different. We need to send these pictures over to the FBI. And I think we are missing the point, photo shopped or not that "official" rendering and the banter from the executives says that if that spy photo isnt it.....its 99% it.

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Posted By: 0791challenger

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 05:29 AM

I think its pretty silly that some are picking the photo apart. Someone said something about the shadow the the guys beside the car. If you look at the original small photo you can see the face of the guy whos shadow is on the car, the other guy who back is to you is in the shadow of that van. You can see the the reflection of the pass mirror in the window and on the paint. I for one think it is 100% legit, but it might change between now and when it comes out. If they stay close to that pic, as I stated in previous post I will be the first in line at my locla dealer to buy one.

I attached the small photo so you can see there is two guys beside the car not one.

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Posted By: MonGoo$e

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 06:02 AM

that grille looks alright...it strikes me a 71 grille..only stacked!..I like the car..hope they make it!

Posted By: abodyjoe

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 12:17 PM

look what these guys are saying about it...

http://www.mustangforums.com/m_601161/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

.

Posted By: 440challenger

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 12:17 PM

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A new pony car war perhaps...

http://www.norcal-ls1.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43499

Now that would be awesome! Do you think Classic muscle car sales would fall if the challengers etc came out looking like that(70's style)?

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 12:33 PM

I dont think so, how have 67-68 Mustang Fastback values changed since the 05 Stang came out? Not much I think

Posted By: 69 Road Runner

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 12:47 PM

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what if they put that stupid, i can't read a map computer in the dash that comes standard in the charger and 300c hemi cars

It's not standard, and some people really like it. I prefer using it while I'm driving than a map.

Posted By: Mass_Mopar

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 01:32 PM

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look what these guys are saying about it...

http://www.mustangforums.com/m_601161/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

.

these guys aren't talking about the new pics.

Posted By: aarcuda

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 01:37 PM

i'm in. By 2008, I will have the money. it shall be done.

Nothing can stop us now- wait, did't dirty larry say that?

Posted By: 426Savoy

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 01:43 PM

I'll buy it if they build it, but will they build it ?

Posted By: KGorney

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 01:45 PM

Chrome drip trough mouldings on a 2006 new car? Doesn't seem logical.
Although on the passenger side shot, there does not seem to be chrome drip rail mouldings.

I have to agree with some of the other points, the picture just doesn't seem right.
But I like the way it looks on the outside.

Posted By: JS29

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 01:59 PM

I'd like to add my contribution, I re-did the grill. But if they do make it, I have to figure-out how to buy one.

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Posted By: Mass_Mopar

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 02:09 PM

check out the mods all ready. I like the convertible

http://www.dodgetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78618

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 02:10 PM

id love to slap some of those modern torque thrusts on it from the Mustang, like the Challenger on 2 Fast 2 Furious

Posted By: 05dakota

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 03:50 PM

i already have 5 classic muscle cars and my daily driver 05 p/u. i wont be buying a new car regardless of what they build, just wont fit my life style.

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 04:05 PM

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Keep your fingers crossed, boys and girls... That right there is the best looking Dodge since 1974!

try since 1971

Posted By: Jeff_T

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 04:15 PM

can one of our computer guys make a seperate webpage with a poll or sign sheet supporting the Challenger like they did to try and save the camaro?

Posted By: kmfdm

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 04:16 PM

finally a car i'm willing to put myself into uberdebt for. i'll take mine inblack please!!!
i really hope dcx sees some of these posts.

Posted By: peelerboy

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 04:33 PM

I have friends in DCX's studio... those pictures are NOT Photoshopped. That IS the real deal concept car. Which is to say, be forwarned... it IS a "concept car", but I betcha' DCX learned their lesson by teasing with one thing and then delivering another.

In other words, I rather doubt they'd make the same mistake twice. One can hope, anyway!

Dale

Posted By: BirdinPieces

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 04:57 PM

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I have friends in DCX's studio... those pictures are NOT Photoshopped. That IS the real deal concept car. Which is to say, be forwarned... it IS a "concept car", but I betcha' DCX learned their lesson by teasing with one thing and then delivering another. In other words, I rather doubt they'd make the same mistake twice. One can hope, anyway!

Dale

they are testing the waters to see if there are any glaring negatives or positives. This one also looks to be more feasible(realistic) than the 99 was in terms of making it to production. I am sure they might have to change a few things if they are serious about this model but it is a dang sight better than what was shoved on us last time.

The devil will be in the details though. Stylewise it seems to be a big hit (here at least), but if it ends up as a high priced, underpowered, option laden heavy pig that cant handle it will suffer the fate of the GTO.

I am not suggesting it be made a barebones "stripper". I am hoping it will end up as a competitively priced stylish good handling, high performance car.

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 05:37 PM

Quote:

I have friends in DCX's studio... those pictures are NOT Photoshopped. That IS the real deal concept car. Which is to say, be forwarned... it IS a "concept car", but I betcha' DCX learned their lesson by teasing with one thing and then delivering another. In other words, I rather doubt they'd make the same mistake twice. One can hope, anyway!

Dale

I was hoping you would chime in Dale...

I know that you have friends that know the answer...

Any other information that you can talk about?

BTW, thanks to you & your friends for confirming what I believed!

Ever since the spy pictures came out some folks have been looking for the lone photochop on the grassy knoll...

Contact DCX and let them know that you like what you have seen so far!!!

Posted By: aarcuda

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 05:43 PM

unless they price this out of everyones price range, this is going to sell like hot cake!

Posted By: Ludington1

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 06:18 PM

When referencing the GTO, we need to remember that it was an Australian-built Holden, which GM slapped the GTO name on and stuck in the big engine. That doesn't really compare at all to what Ford did with the Mustang and Dodge *MIGHT* be doing with the Challenger.

Here's to hoping that it happens!

Posted By: RodStRace

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 06:34 PM

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When referencing the GTO, we need to remember that it was an Australian-built Holden, which GM slapped the GTO name on and stuck in the big engine.

The big problem with the GTO is price. There were magazine articles with the Monaro and ute with domestic (AU) pricing slightly lower than the Mustang. When it got here, it was almost 10k more. Underpowered or bland styling would have been minor grumbles if it was 21-25k. At 35k it was a killer. They 'fixed' the power and styling, but the price is still too high. When GM had the fire sales, the vette and the GTO were not included.

Posted By: KISSAlien

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 06:52 PM

I got the full size pics in my mailbox Sunday. The original shots were taken by noted automotive spy shot master Brenda Priddy. They were taken last week and are shots of the Challenger Concept being prepped for publicity photos.

The concept will debut at the NAIAS in January, but you'll probably see more pictures around Dec. 15, unless these spy shots move things up.

Attached picture 2161433-challenger_concept_front.jpg

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Posted By: KISSAlien

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 06:53 PM

You should now be able to see what was touched up to match the concept drawing.

see attachment

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Posted By: xs29j8

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 07:13 PM

Thanks for the pictures KISSAlien!!! Every few hours better versions of those pictures come out...

Posted By: KISSAlien

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 07:13 PM

Okay Photoshop gurus, go to work enhancing them for us now.

Posted By: Quikshft

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 07:28 PM

You know, it�s pretty cool. With the 6.1 and a 6speed (and air conditioning) I just may buy one more new car in my lifetime.

Posted By: Mass_Mopar

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 07:44 PM

here it is lightened up a little
see attachment for big version

Attached picture 2161524-2161433-challenger_concept_front1.jpg

Posted By: Mass_Mopar

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 07:47 PM

the back shot has a lot less contrast

see attachment for big version

Attached picture 2161532-2161435-challenger_concept_rear1.jpg

Posted By: dodge_nut

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 07:58 PM

i like the challenger name on the quarter panel, didnt notice that until the pic got lightened up a tad.

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 08:02 PM

Quote:

is that the superbird that was in the movie "dazed + confused"?

im guessing so being that it is black + that the movie was filmed in texas in the early 90s

Yes, it was Ken's Superbird in that movie.

Posted By: notnxs383

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 08:37 PM

Hey, Where's the gas fill.

Aussie Version?
Reverse Photograghy?
6.1 Solar?

Posted By: Orange_Crush

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 08:53 PM

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Hey, Where's the gas fill.

Aussie Version?
Reverse Photograghy?
6.1 Solar?

My guess is that its on the portion of the 1/4 panel that you can't see in either pic.

Posted By: Pat_Whalen

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 09:00 PM

You can actually see, if you look a little closer on the hood, that its got the t/a cut outs. Me likes.

Edit: oops, not t/a. power bulge just like in doug's drawings

Posted By: notnxs383

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 09:03 PM

Yep, I'm so goofy, I had to edit,
cause at first I said they were blocking it.
Then, I'm like wait a sec.

anyways I still love it

Posted By: Big Bad Bee

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 09:23 PM

Styling wise, WOW. Lower the nose just a tad and PLEASE put the reverse light between the tail lights. Beyond that, WOW.

The blue thing in the rear 3/4 shot is an Arriflex light. Probably a 650W Fresnel. So the photo shoot thing makes sense.

For years I have been saying that I would never buy another new car off the lot. If this car makes it into production with the 6.1 hemi 6 speed pistol grip, my cuda hits ebay ASAP and I sell everything I can to make a killer down payment on the completely loaded SRT8 with any and all special package options.

Beyond that, the fact that it is built on the LX platform, and built after the successful release of the Lunch Box, er.. Charger, I would say it stands a much higher chance of being produced than the Charger concept. That being said, I will NEVER trust what Chrysler throws out there until I see it rolling down their assembly line. Period. Won't get my hopes up, won't mark my calender, won't give it two many more thoughts here on moparts.

All said, I would much rather bust my nuckles on a new classic than an old one. It would take way more $$$ to get the same amount of power and performance out of my cuda as this Challenger represents out of the box, even at $35K, and to have it all brand spanking new, well... There you go Chrysler. The ball is in your court and I am done talking.

Posted By: Moparmal

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 10:31 PM

OK Guys...a Heads up...I won't be around long enough to discuss this ..(leaving Albany tonight for NYC)..but!!

MMISSILE and I were given a personalised conducted tour of Auburn Hills three days ago..by Eric Andrew, Manager Dodge Advertising.

Not only did he line up an SRT 8 Charger for us to fool around in for 45 mins..

..but he took us through part of Skunk works where they detail show cars etc...Saw the old Razor and some very tuff Vipers done out for racing.. ...

There was also a 72 Chally there...seems they have been using it for an "undisclosed" reason....

He also introduced uas to some of his staff...and I was asked about the 4 door Charger...I mentioned Australias history of 4 door Muscle cars, and then asked Eric if he knew whether there was going to be a 2 door Charger...here was the discussion:

EA: "Def not , however, we have some more exciting models on the drawing board and you may well see an exciting 2 door coupe released in late 06...using a familiar name, possibly even CHALLENGER." !!!

And then he WINKED at us!!!!

My guess is its almost a def.......

BTW...did you know DCX are selling "on track " for the Chargers????.......and as for SRT Charger we really gave it a hiding...I have pics but can't post them till I get back to Australia...but it sure bags them up!!!

I'm sure MMISSILE would have more to add.....

Posted By: moparkid1966

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 10:35 PM

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BTW...did you know DCX are selling 5000 Chargers a month

Sep-6,809
Oct-7,119

Posted By: Moparmal

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 10:37 PM

Mebbe it was 500??? HahahahLOL!!!!

...sure there was a 5 something mentioned...I was too busy stealing brochures....

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 10:42 PM

It doesn't really matter what they build, cause most of your wives are gonna' make you buy minivans anyhow.

You should be glad they have an azz kickin' 4 dr. Room for the brood and groceries.

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 10:53 PM

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EA: "Def not , however, we have some more exciting models on the drawing board and you may well see an exciting 2 door coupe released in late 06...using a familiar name, possibly even CHALLENGER." !!!

And then he WINKED at us!!!!

My guess is its almost a def.......

...late '06...!!!

looks like I will be eBaying some cars sooner than I thought!

Thanks for the extra confirmation

Yeah, I know its a concept car and there are no guarantees that it will reach production, but I have to BELIEVE that it will!!!

Time for a cold one to calm down!

'Nuff graemlins for one post...

XS

Posted By: Quikshft

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 11:07 PM

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It doesn't really matter what they build, cause most of your wives are gonna' make you buy minivans anyhow. You should be glad they have an azz kickin' 4 dr. Room for the brood and groceries.

Well, my wife hates mini vans, and my brood now rides in the back of my Neon...they'd probably like a bigger back seat.

Posted By: Charger_440

IT'S REAL! IT'S REAL!!! - 11/22/05 11:28 PM

SEE BELOW FOR EMAILS TO DODGE FROM ME, TODAY... ADN TEH REPLY FROM THEM.... THE CHALLENGER IS REAL!

from me:
Category: New Vehicle Information
Brief Description:
------------------
new challenger, please read on!
Comments:
---------
well, as of the other day we are seeing "spy" photos of the new
challenger.
there is some centention as to whether or not it is real, but i cant
see
that the photos have been altered in any way, and i have an eye for
this...
i have to commend you, you guys are on the right track now, after the
whole
charger fiasco! UGH! the car looks good, but the general concensis
seems
to
be that the grille opening and tail light openings need to look a
little
wide, not so "puckered" and the front bumper should definately protrude
out
in from as in the drawings, the flat one on the car contributes to the
narrow look of the front end... thanks for listening to my .02 hope
to
see the car on lots soon.

Sender Information:
-------------------
Title: Mr.
First Name: brandon
Middle Initial: k
Last Name: prewett

FROM DODGE TO ME:

Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:54:14 -0500
To: "brandon prewett" <chrome_fins@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: DaimlerChrysler Customer Assistance (KMM3382120V99206L0KM)
From: "customerassistmkt" <customerassistmkt@daimlerchrysler.com> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert

Dear Brandon:

Thank you for your recent email expressing interest in the Dodge
Challenger concept vehicle.

We greatly appreciate your feedback on the Dodge Charger. It is
comments
like yours that are paramount to longevity of the Dodge brand.

Though we cannot guarantee your suggestions will be implemented, we
encourage you to continue to contact us through the Dodge website
(http://www.dodge.com). Because our industry and the needs of drivers
are constantly changing, there is always a possibility of new products
being designed to specifically meet needs like yours.

Unfortunately, because this vehicle is still in the concept stage,
there
is no pricing or production data available.

Many of our concept vehicles have made it to market, such as the
Plymouth Prowler, Dodge Viper, and the Chrysler PT Cruiser. I have
documented your interest and will forward it to the product planning
department.

If you have further questions, please feel free to use the reply link
below. You may also call us on our toll-free number at 1-800-964-0600.

Thank you for giving us the opportunity to assist you.

Privacy
http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/disclaimer/index.html

NOTE: Please do not use the 'Reply' function of your email. If you wish
to respond, please use the REPLY LINK shown below.
REPLY LINK:
http://www.chrysler.com/wccs/brand_forms/us/reply.jsp?trk_ID=KMM3382120C0KM

Renee
Senior Staff Representative
Dodge Information Center

AS SHE STATED..."SINCE IT IS STILL A CONCEPT...." which means tehy acknowlege the existance....somebody might email them links to these pages on here, as i didnt think to do that... wow, that is soo cool, even though right now it still just a big tease

Posted By: DirectSubjection

Re: new Challenger? - 11/22/05 11:33 PM

Quote:

'Nuff graemlins for one post...

XS

Never!

Posted By: d330

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 12:14 AM

If they build that car, Da wife can say goodbye to her intrepid..

Posted By: efisixpack

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 12:39 AM

Not being a critic (it is a concept afterall) but the front end looks like a big mouth hanging open in the lower valence area. Also, I don't see any reverse lights??? Other than that I think it DEFINATELY carries over the challenger image and I would also be hard pressed to not buy one depending on price. Imagine a T/A option with stripes, spoilers, etc... The aftermarket could have a field day with all the potential.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 02:21 AM

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look what these guys are saying about it...

http://www.mustangforums.com/m_601161/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

.

I love how they talk down on Chrysler, when Ford is struggling to barely make a profit.

Posted By: DirectSubjection

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 02:34 AM

Looks like 340sRule is a member there...

http://www.mustangforums.com/fb.asp?m=748223

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 02:37 AM

Hahaha! I would, but I'm not willing to register to a Ford site, just to post some Anti-Ford stuff. I'd be like 340srule, then.

Posted By: DirectSubjection

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 02:41 AM

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Hahaha! I would, but I'm not willing to register to a Ford site, just to post some Anti-Ford stuff. I'd be like 340srule, then.

I thought about it but if I did I'd be worried my computer would go up in flames.

Posted By: 69superbee383

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 03:33 AM

Well like I said before...if that Challenger is built then my Mach 1 goes. I was considering a new Shelby but if I can buy a new Challenger instead well....sorry Ford....425 HP ? 6 speed? ...bye bye Ford!

Posted By: superwrench

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 04:05 AM

Well----if the "spy" pictures are anything close to what DC is gonna hammer out , then I'd say that you are so very correct---Those Ford guys DON'T have a clue of how big an impact this car is gonna have on the market.
One thing for sure--- some of those guys on that Mustang forum have got their noses up "Brownsville" for sure!! Like---An 05 Mustang is the Holy Grail?? I gotta admit that they are a nice looking car and all, and they go darn good too but that is where DC has got the opportunity to surpass the Mustang.....Just build a damn good looking car with an OVER-abundance of horsepower!!! DC must have taken notice of the interest in the retro Mustang real quick because it seems that this Challenger is unfolding quicker than expected.
All I can say is " I CAN"T WAIT" !!!! Please hurry faster!!

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 04:24 AM

This is a nice make-up for for having our collective Moparts yanked with the Charger.

Posted By: superwrench

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 04:30 AM

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 05:51 AM

That car is no more real than the first charger concept. Would I have bought a Charger if it looked like the first concept? Absolutly! Will I buy a Challenger if it looks like that picture? More than likely.
The fact is they will manage to ruin the car in one way or more by the time it hits production. There's a reason why so many of us mopar guys are starting to buy the new mustangs. Hopefully DC will open their eyes.

Posted By: Pat_Whalen

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 05:56 AM

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us mopar guys

to buy the new mustang.

you mean "yous" ford guys?

it shocks me how much people have taken a personal offense to the fact that a "concept car", a vehicle, that, in theory, NEVER EVER needs to be made, didn't get produced. get over the charger. its got four doors. its selling. you do'nt like it. thats fine. buy a ford. i'm sure you'll love it in 2 years....

as far as the new challenger. count me in. if it rolls out in 06/07, it'll be perfectly in time for my first new vehicle purchase and i'd love nothing more than to cruise around in one of those bad boys, tx9, please

Posted By: dezduster

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 05:58 AM

HA HA HA YEAH RIGHT. THAT IS SO NOT WHAT WILL HIT THE STREET. That sweet lookin ride will be so TRUCKED up by the time it hits the dealerships we will think the Charger is the cats MEOW.
DAMLIER show me that car and I will show you the MONEY!!!!!!!
The charger name still sucks on that magnum sedan.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 06:50 AM

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HA HA HA YEAH RIGHT. THAT IS SO NOT WHAT WILL HIT THE STREET. That sweet lookin ride will be so TRUCKED up by the time it hits the dealerships we will think the Charger is the cats MEOW.
DAMLIER show me that car and I will show you the MONEY!!!!!!!
The charger name still sucks on that magnum sedan.

You wanna know why they are making this car?

People like you. People like you sent letters, email, HATE mail to DCX. You asked for a retro V-8 RWD performance car, with a manual. Here it is.

Posted By: dezduster

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 07:47 AM

I resemble that remark. Yes I did and I hope you did to. You can lead a Jacka$$ to water but he will probly kick youre @$$ on the way. What I am saying is Let no one tell you what you want. Buy what you want or dont buy. We bought a new dodge truck twice had problems I wanted a bigger cab and a deisel well 1 year later Hello MEGACAB,CUMMINS,JAKEBRAKE,LEATHER ladden TRUCK. Now hello modern Hemi powered hotrod with a 5 or 6 speed to be proud of sweet. SWEET! SWEET @$$ CAR FROM DC WHOO AH.

If I were any more excited it would be illegal and dangerous.

Posted By: oldyellerrt

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 09:38 AM

Quote:

This picture was on our closed circut TV at work on Monday. I didn't get a chance to read what it said, but if it's on DCTV, maybe it is being considered!

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 01:28 PM

ill have one in white hemi 6 speed pistol grip and rattlesnake to go

Posted By: DirectSubjection

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 02:35 PM

Quote:

it shocks me how much people have taken a personal offense to the fact that a "concept car", a vehicle, that, in theory, NEVER EVER needs to be made, didn't get produced.

And I'm kinda glad it didn't. I think the style of the 99 was outdated by the time it would have hit the market, the front had been on the Trans Am for years. Oh - and it had a crosshair grill too.

Posted By: T56DAK

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 03:22 PM

Yes, the GTO is way too heavy and has very narrow rear tires (245's), otherwise I think it would sell better. They can make a car with convenience features and not make it overly heavy these days if they really wanted to. Sound deadening doesn't way all that much and if you look at this pic of power vs manual window actuators(from my Dakotas), the weight difference is very minimal. The motor is maybe an extra 1 or 2 lbs.

A muscle car does not need GPS navigation or fancy 6 disc changers. But it doesn't have to be bare bones. Bucket seats and power windows/locks. What more do you need when there is a 6.1 under the hood and a 6 gear option in your right hand?? Ok, maybe a cup holder! ;-)

Posted By: resqguy

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 03:25 PM

I didn't read through all the posts on this thread, but I really hope the windows have the right proportion to the rest of the body. I will never get used to the smashed hockey puck design.

The side panels on other cars based on this platform are too high for my taste. It makes the windows look like portals. Open up the glass area PLEASE.

Other than that I'm on board. Where do I sign?

Posted By: Jeff_T

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 03:45 PM

I guess its silly to ask for pricing now, but what does everyone think? I am guessing that the one they are talking about with the 6.1L will be the SRT8 Challenger and will be very expensive. I am assuming that they will have a v-6, maybe 4.7, definatly 5.7 and then the 6.1 SRT option. They are going to need to compete with the Mustang pricing and options. The V6 Mustang makes up most of the production. I also assume that it will be priced below the luxury muscle Charger, just like the old days.

Posted By: 1970GTX

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 04:07 PM

Now that the spy shots have been authenticated, I have to say that I'm very excited about the new Challenger. For as much of an opponent that I am to the 4 door Charger, I am that much, if not more, in favor of seeing the concept car become a reality.

It's got what I like; retro body lines, dual sport mirrors, power bulge hood, pistol grip, exhaust tips, and a 1971esque grill. The aftermarket or even MP can take care of the rear spoiler, shaker hood, stripe kits, 1970ish grill.

After the dissapointment of the Charger, I had planned on buying an econobox for gas mileage and use my RR as a "driver". After seeing this concept Challenger, I'm considering selling the RR and buy this as a daily driver since I'm only 4.7 miles from work.

I'm glad to see that the design dept. at DC has finally caught on.

Posted By: BirdinPieces

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 04:08 PM

Quote:

I guess its silly to ask for pricing now, but what does everyone think?

I also assume that it will be priced below the luxury muscle Charger, just like the old days.

It should cost about two doors less

Posted By: Nobody

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 04:13 PM

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Now that the spy shots have been authenticated,

They've been "authenticated"?? By whom?

Posted By: KISSAlien

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 04:34 PM

Everybody with a clue of who the photographer is knows the shots are legit. And DCX even released the sketch.

Posted By: Jeff_T

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 04:54 PM

What happened to the bigger more clear shots that were on here yesterday?

Posted By: Jeff_T

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 05:24 PM

Why is it so hard to believe that that car is the concept Challenger? Why would the leading auto industry publication Autoweek put their neck out and say it is if it isnt? Why would Dodge have a artists rendering of the Challenger concept that looks exactly like the photos? Why would DC execs be commenting about its retro looks? Is it the total disbelief that they would build what we want after the Charger nightmare?

How about we focus on sending over positive feedback about the concept so they actually build it? I for one would put money down NOW on this car. They built the Viper, Prowler, GTS, PT Cruiser 300 and others directly off well received concepts! Just because they didnt build the 99 concept Charger dosent mean we wont see this car. Not for nothing, this concept is 100% better in every catagory then the 99 Charger concept.

Posted By: Nobody

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 05:44 PM

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The folks at Chrysler themselves have confirmed that the car in the pic is the Challenger concept. They also released a drawing.

No kidding, a real drawing?

Posted By: oldyellerrt

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 06:09 PM

We will find out for sure in a month or so when the auto shows start up. Lets just hope it doesn't have a 4' truck bed, stow and go, and a "best in class" 18 cup holders, by the time it hits production!

Posted By: KISSAlien

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 06:10 PM

What are you going to say when the car appears at the NAIAS in January? That it isn't really there?

Posted By: sixpakdodge

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 06:18 PM

Why would they have a 90's Toyota Sienna there ? Also, Look at the headlights closely. They don't all seem to be in proportion with each other. Some look like they're higher than other and some look like they're out further than the others. The grille looks like it's recessed in too far too. DaimlerChrysler might be giving you a fake grille in those pictures so you don't know what the exact car will look like if these pictures are real.

Posted By: GOLDMYN

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 06:27 PM

I'll take a yellow one w/black hood stripes and I hope the doors don't rattle when you shut them.

Posted By: Not_A_Duster

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 06:27 PM

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Why is it so hard to believe that that car is the concept Challenger?

Ummmm because experience has conditioned them to disbelieve anything Daimler says???

Posted By: DirectSubjection

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 06:29 PM

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Why would they have a 90's Toyota Sienna there ?

I'd assume the photographers or someone else not in the pic drove it there.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 06:32 PM

Yet again I am amazed! the best news to come for us Mopar fans for years, confirmed by reliable sources and yet the naysayers still want to crush the dream !

Lighten up and get excited !

Posted By: sixpakdodge

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 06:33 PM

It just seems a bit odd that they would have a Toyota. Wouldn't DC have their own personal photographers to do that ? I myself don't even think that they're photographers. The car might have been being tested. For all we know, This could be a highly customized Charger. Remember those Chevelle's being built by Aloha automotive a year or so ago that were based on GTO's ?

I'm not trying to "crush the dream". But people are getting excited over this car thinking they're going to be ordering the same exact thing they see here. Remember the Hemi 300 Convertible concept a few years ago ? And how can we forget the Charger we were promised in '99.

Posted By: Jeff_T

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 06:36 PM

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Why would they have a 90's Toyota Sienna there ? Also, Look at the headlights closely. They don't all seem to be in proportion with each other. Some look like they're higher than other and some look like they're out further than the others. The grille looks like it's recessed in too far too. DaimlerChrysler might be giving you a fake grille in those pictures so you don't know what the exact car will look like if these pictures are real.

But the artists conception released by Chrysler has the same exact grill.

Posted By: Orange_Crush

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 06:38 PM

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It just seems a bit odd that they would have a Toyota. Wouldn't DC have their own personal photographers to do that ? I myself don't even think that they're photographers. The car might have been being tested. For all we know, This could be a highly customized Charger. Remember those Chevelle's being built by Aloha automotive a year or so ago that were based on GTO's ?

I'm not trying to "crush the dream". But people are getting excited over this car thinking they're going to be ordering the same exact thing they see here. Remember the Hemi 300 Convertible concept a few years ago ? And how can we forget the Charger we were promised in '99.

Chrysler contracts outside companies to perform their photography for release to the press. It may very well be their van.

Posted By: DirectSubjection

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 06:40 PM

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It just seems a bit odd that they would have a Toyota. Wouldn't DC have their own personal photographers to do that ?

And wouldn't they want to let all sorts of other photographers and magazine see it too? That's why the light is hooked on to the one side in the pic. That's enough of this conspracy talk for me.

Do I think the production model may vary? Sure - impact regulations may dictate it. Time will tell.

Posted By: Mass_Mopar

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 06:46 PM

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And how can we forget the Charger we were promised in '99.

the charger we were promised???? I remember the day that concept was unveiled, that my hopes for its production were crushed as soon as I read "its Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) fuel produces negligible emissions at the tail pipes." I for one was never expecting anything more than a concept out of that one.

Posted By: Pat_Whalen

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 06:48 PM

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And how can we forget the Charger we were promised in '99.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. No one promised you anything, nor owes you anything in regards to the concept 99 charger. I'll keep my personal opinions about that particular car out of this (I thought it was ugly as all get-out) but regardless, it was a concept vehicle, like a number of concepts that never make it to market, like a convert superbird. did you hold an eternal grudge against the company when they didn't send that one out the production line bay doors? I think its just a bandwagon thing now. Like "See who can hate daimler more and seem like an angstfilled teenager"

Posted By: origcharger

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 06:58 PM

Could thay cram anymore objects, scenery & shadows into those photos?

Posted By: Pat_Whalen

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 07:01 PM

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Could thay cram anymore objects, scenery & shadows into those photos?

The point is that the objects and scenery are part of what makes it obviously real. most photochopped vehicles don't have people and other vehicles around, let alone all the shadows that would have to be matched and scenery that could get fumbled around on the outter edge of the main project. Furthermore, why include photographers and photography equipment, then put your name on the photo, the name of a renound spy shot photographer.

If its fake, someone is paying THOUSANDS of dollars and going really out of there way just to make some people think it might happen, and then even still, for chrysler to admit that it is goign to be shown at auto shows? I understand the original few "i dunno, it looks a little fakeish" comments, but after all that has come to light, come on guys.

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 07:42 PM

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Yet again I am amazed! the best news to come for us Mopar fans for years, confirmed by reliable sources and yet the naysayers still want to crush the dream !

Lighten up and get excited !

I have spoken to three seperate sources today that I consider reliable.

1) The concept car exists
2) The spy pictures are real (although one source had not seen them before I showed him)
3) Sounds like the car may be much closer to production than we thought, ie. 2007 model released next year (in line with what MM said Eric Andrew told him)
4) No pricing information yet
5) There may be minor differences from the concept car, but no '99 Charger concept car fiasco...

I trust these people, and fully BELIEVE that this will happen... I can hardly wait for January and late next year (actually maybe next Summer).

I will be off-line for the next several days, don't need the distraction of the arguments about whether the car is real.

I haven't seen it, but fully believe it is!

Maybe when I get back on-line this weekend it will be all sorted out... right?!?

Have a Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!!

Posted By: notnxs383

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 07:47 PM

Happy Thanksgiving and I sure appreciate all the hope.
Let all the skeptics start their own post.
And Let the other 99% of us Live our Dream

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 07:59 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Yet again I am amazed! the best news to come for us Mopar fans for years, confirmed by reliable sources and yet the naysayers still want to crush the dream !

Lighten up and get excited !

I have spoken to three seperate sources today that I consider reliable.

1) The concept car exists
2) The spy pictures are real (although one source had not seen them before I showed him)
3) Sounds like the car may be much closer to production than we thought, ie. 2007 model released next year (in line with what MM said Eric Andrew told him)
4) No pricing information yet
5) There may be minor differences from the concept car, but no '99 Charger concept car fiasco...

I trust these people, and fully BELIEVE that this will happen... I can hardly wait for January and late next year (actually maybe next Summer).

I will be off-line for the next several days, don't need the distraction of the arguments about whether the car is real. I haven't seen it, but fully believe it is!

Maybe when I get back on-line this weekend it will be all sorted out... right?!?

Have a Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!!

XS

Happy Thanksgiving Allen. I will be waiting to order mine also!!! Can't wait.

I also shot you an E-mail yesterday!! Thanks, Patrick

Posted By: ZIPPY

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 08:58 PM

I can also confirm the car is real.....confirmed through my own sources who have seen the vehicle first hand.

I guess all we can do, for those of us who genuinely like it and want to see it get built, is make sure we tell dcx. Haven't been to the DETROIT AUTO SHOW (aka naias

) in years but I will go just to put in a good word for that car and do some schmoozin'.

Posted By: MN-ScatPack

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 09:22 PM

I also will be inline at my local Dodge dealer to buy one if they build it like that. I just hope if they build that car that its not to long down the road for the convertible version to be produced. Thats what I want, fully loaded!

Posted By: DirectSubjection

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 10:19 PM

Hey Zip - what are the Detroit show dates?

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 11:34 PM

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I resemble that remark. Yes I did and I hope you did to.

I didn't, because I didn't think they would actually listen.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 11:39 PM

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Remember the Hemi 300 Convertible concept a few years ago ? And how can we forget the Charger we were promised in '99.

They never promised a 300 ragtop. As for the 99 Charger, it WASN'T a DCX concept. When Chrysler got taken over, many head Chrysler guys left, and the 99 pretty much left along with them.

Posted By: notnxs383

Re: new Challenger? - 11/23/05 11:47 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I resemble that remark. Yes I did and I hope you did to.

I didn't, because I didn't think they would actually listen.

Kinda like why vote, what difference will my vote make?

Never too late to say you did.. I think the sooner the better..
Voices of approval and suggestion,, We are their market for this Challenger.
How can it hurt?

Posted By: Dos Snails

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 12:11 AM

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should I dare say my dream...CONVERTIBLE?? maybe??

Well if they don't build it at least it's a new direction to go with my convertible project! Dave.

Posted By: RATTRAP

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 01:01 AM

There will be one in my garage

All options and a sweet factory color

Posted By: peelerboy

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 01:05 AM

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Hey Zip - what are the Detroit show dates?

Here you go, DS... http://www.naias.com

Dale

Posted By: 71sat440

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 01:15 AM

I wish the power bulge hood had a little more bulge.
I wish the grille was more like a 70, but I think they made it look more like a 71 becuase it has more resemblance to their truck grille motif.
An old school flip top gas cap would be cool ..... but somehow highly unlikly.
I hope they have some retro like striping options... particularly the bumble bee type stripe.
It needs some kind of wing option.
And please let the ecu be tuner/mod friendly.
Also be competitive on price!

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 02:14 AM

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I remember the day that concept was unveiled, that my hopes for its production were crushed as soon as I read "its Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) fuel produces negligible emissions at the tail pipes."

Many times concept vehicles are used in multiple ways. Concepts are not a single package
but groups things together for public exposure.
Future styling direction. Perhaps only some of the styling ideas will make it to a production car.
New vehicle configuration. Perhaps interior layout or exterior design. New ideas.
New technology. Sometimes just to show what could be, not what will be.
The 4.7 CNG was never meant for production. I think it was just to try to show that a small powerful clean engine was possible.

I'm glad the 2 door crowd will be getting a good looking car.
I'm disappointed that families like mine that prefer the ergonomics of 4 doors
don't have anything near as good looking being offered by DCX.

Posted By: Detroit_Muscle

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 03:16 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Yet again I am amazed! the best news to come for us Mopar fans for years, confirmed by reliable sources and yet the naysayers still want to crush the dream !

Lighten up and get excited !

I have spoken to three seperate sources today that I consider reliable.

1) The concept car exists
2) The spy pictures are real (although one source had not seen them before I showed him)
3) Sounds like the car may be much closer to production than we thought, ie. 2007 model released next year (in line with what MM said Eric Andrew told him)
4) No pricing information yet
5) There may be minor differences from the concept car, but no '99 Charger concept car fiasco...

I trust these people, and fully BELIEVE that this will happen... I can hardly wait for January and late next year (actually maybe next Summer).

I will be off-line for the next several days, don't need the distraction of the arguments about whether the car is real. I haven't seen it, but fully believe it is!

Maybe when I get back on-line this weekend it will be all sorted out... right?!?

Have a Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!!

XS

Here is another site that is reporting the news:

http://www.thecarconnection.com

The photos on The Car Connection are pretty large,and have better detail than the AutoWeek photos.

The spy photos were taken by Brenda Priddy, who was has Copyrighted the images. Brenda is one of the most well known automotive spy photo journalist, and thus this would provide additional proof that THESE PHOTOS ARE REAL!!

I think I will wait for the Convertible to be produced, and then there will be no holding me back from buying a loaded one in Sublime Green with white interior and Pistol Grip shifter.

DCX don't screw this up, or I'll jump off a building!!

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Posted By: GoodysGotaCuda

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 04:15 AM

I'll be waiting until someone gets brave and tears into one...producing a 'Cuda conversion kit equally as cool like that one rendering ive seen

i hope the aftermarket industry supports the car as well. producing parts to 'mod' them

Posted By: Silver70

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 04:56 AM

Come on we all know they'll find away to screw it up if they build it

No doubt it won't be cheap, but if its close to that count me in to. Dunno how Id afford it, but I like it!

The charger concept

Posted By: 68KillerBee

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 05:18 AM

does n e body know how to zoom into the rear q'panel. im pretty sure it says challenger, it looks weird though. like cursive writing and its a decal. dont know

Posted By: moparkid1966

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 05:22 AM

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does n e body know how to zoom into the rear q'panel. im pretty sure it says challenger, it looks weird though. like cursive writing and its a decal. dont know

The resolution isn't high enough to see it really, we'll have to wait.

Posted By: MikeyT

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 05:37 AM

God that thing looks awesome! I told my wife today the momment that thing comes out were getting a new car, plus after looking at it the Challenger has a nice babumpedunk.

Mike

Posted By: DirectSubjection

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 06:45 AM

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producing a 'Cuda conversion kit equally as cool like that one rendering ive seen

Eew - who would want a Cuda?

Posted By: GoodysGotaCuda

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 06:52 AM

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producing a 'Cuda conversion kit equally as cool like that one rendering ive seen

Eew - who would want a Cuda?

beats me, i just have a pile barracuda. id have to wait for a matching barracuda kit to come out, coulndt say i had matching cars...cant call a 'cuda a barracuda

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 06:56 AM

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producing a 'Cuda conversion kit equally as cool like that one rendering ive seen

Eew - who would want a Cuda?

I'd rather have a BARRAcuda.

Posted By: cal_gecko

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 07:12 AM

Too much 2nd and 3rd hand information thus far for anything to be called 'reliable' or 'trustworthy'.. so far, we've heard about people who know people who have verified the existence of this concept car, or we have seen a form email that was sent in response to an email sent to DCX..

And the photos.. poor quality, low resolution.. easily photoshopped. so far, this is all about as believable as the lochness monster

Posted By: Jeff_T

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 10:34 AM

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Too much 2nd and 3rd hand information thus far for anything to be called 'reliable' or 'trustworthy'.. so far, we've heard about people who know people who have verified the existence of this concept car, or we have seen a form email that was sent in response to an email sent to DCX..

And the photos.. poor quality, low resolution.. easily photoshopped. so far, this is all about as believable as the lochness monster

2nd or 3rd hand????? Here are news reports quoting very "official" sources......

On Monday Dodge released this sketch of the new Challenger that, in addition to the amazing spy shots caught by AutoWeek, give us a really good idea of how the newest muscle car on the block will present itself once it�s unveiled at the Detroit Auto Show. The automotive press has been fielding mixed reactions about the car�s design, though we�re pretty sure it�s sweet. The look is very retro, almost to the point where it�s not so much a reinterpretation of a past design but an old design itself. Some have also speculated about whether it will have two or four doors. The spy shots and the sketch indicate the concept will have a proper pair of doors, and we can�t imagine the company would field another four-door muscle car alongside the Charger. One thing�s for �almost� certain, this car is coming. It�s everything but official and we�re predicting the reaction to the Challenger concept in Detroit will be universally positive, if for no other reason than folks want to see the Big 3 go at it again in this arena.

[Source: Chrysler Group]

The 2006 Dodge Challenger concept resurrects another authentic American muscle car for the Dodge brand and continues to build on the success and heritage of the Hemi engine. "This concept possesses the heritage and classic forms of the original Dodge Challenger," said Trevor Creed, Senior Vice President - Chrysler Group Design. "However, the ability to use the Dodge Magnum, Dodge Charger and Chrysler 300 series architecture as the concept's foundation allowed us to bring a new level of quality and fit-and-finish to a muscle car icon."

After hiatus, Challenger to rejoin Dodge lineup

By Jim Mateja
Tribune auto reporter
Published November 21, 2005

LAS VEGAS -- Chrysler has again returned to the past to come up with a car for the future.

Chrysler, which looked to the 1970s muscle car era to create the 2006 Dodge Charger, has gone back to that time to pluck out another muscle car nameplate, the Challenger. It's on a concept of a car that's expected to join the Dodge lineup soon.

Dodge told the media gathered here for a look at 10 vehicles the company will introduce on next year's auto-show circuit that Challenger will bow at the Detroit Auto Show in January.

Though Challenger is expected to join the Dodge lineup in about a year, Tom Tremont, vice president of advance product design for Chrysler Group, wouldn't confirm that timetable.

Challenger is derived from the same platform as the Chrysler 300 sedan, with two major changes. It is built on a shorter wheelbase, 116 inches versus 120, and it's a two-door not a four-door.

"With Charger we have a muscle sedan; with Challenger; a muscle coupe," Tremont said.

As another 300 derivative, along with the Dodge Magnum and Charger and Charger police car, Challenger continues the automaker's commitment to platform sharing. That ensures plants run at full capacity and, thus, profitably.

Tremont said the concept takes its styling from the 1970s Challenger, complete with hood scoops.

It also is another showcase for Chrysler's Hemi V-8 engine, which accounts for more than 40 percent of sales of the vehicles in which it's offered.

Challenger features the 6.1-liter, 425-horsepower version with a 6-speed manual transmission.

Chrysler officials wouldn't speculate on Challenger volume, though most expected a limited build of 5,000 to 10,000 annually.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 12:18 PM

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I'll be waiting until someone gets brave and tears into one...producing a 'Cuda conversion kit equally as cool like that one rendering ive seen

This would be cool and I dont doubt someone will make it, but as far as I can tell the Challenger has a contour that runs along the body like the original Challenger. That alone would keep me from trying to make it a Barracuda, but maybe they can pull it off nicely

Posted By: InViolent

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 01:37 PM

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Chrysler officials wouldn't speculate on Challenger volume, though most expected a limited build of 5,000 to 10,000 annually.

????? I could sell that many to Moparts members alone in the first month!....unless they stick Viper price tag on it! It's almost like DCX doesn't want to admit they were "off base" with the Charger, and they are convinced that a 2 door muscle car can't sell.

Posted By: BirdinPieces

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 02:51 PM

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Chrysler officials wouldn't speculate on Challenger volume, though most expected a limited build of 5,000 to 10,000 annually.

????? I could sell that many to Moparts members alone in the first month!....unless they stick Viper price tag on it! It's almost like DCX doesn't want to admit they were "off base" with the Charger, and they are convinced that a 2 door muscle car can't sell.

I was quite surprised at that number myself. I thought that was really low, especially if they come out with low-priced v6 models. But then again, I thought 60k units for the Charger was very optimistic. So far I have been wrong on that statement, but the year isnt over yet.

They might make it as a limited production for the purpose of holding up demand(and prices) and filling in capacity at the plant when the other models slow down. Just a thought.

Posted By: kmfdm

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 03:11 PM

In regards to price remember that there is not a reason for the car to be priced anymore than any of the current LX platform cars. Demand? Sure that's a good reason but remember that DCX has sold about twice the amount of 300s as originally expected and the price has not changed.
Also, unlike the Viper (which is mostly hand built and shares a platform with nothing) the Challenger wont cost anymore to build than a Charger. If you want a good explanation as to why, check out the Challenger thread on Allpar in the news and rumors section. The last 10 pages or so (it's on 27 now) help explain alot.
With that said, i doubt we'll see this car within a year. The date posted on the other board is saying the first one will roll off the line on 3/24/07, but we all know that can change. Hopefully by this date in 2007, we can all have one in our garage.

Posted By: origcharger

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 03:27 PM

With an anticipated production of 5,000 to 10,000 units it will likely be sometime before the buyer of modest means is able to get his hands on one.

Posted By: kmfdm

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 03:34 PM

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With an anticipated production of 5,000 to 10,000 units it will likely be sometime before the buyer of modest means is able to get his hands on one.

and why is that?????????????

Posted By: BirdinPieces

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 03:47 PM

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In regards to price remember that there is not a reason for the car to be priced anymore than any of the current LX platform cars. Demand? Sure that's a good reason but remember that DCX has sold about twice the amount of 300s as originally expected and the price has not changed.
Also, unlike the Viper (which is mostly hand built and shares a platform with nothing) the Challenger wont cost anymore to build than a Charger.

I was thinking that they could make more per car. The 300 is a bread and butter car, so you wouldnt want to price it too high. In this case, it is a small addition to the LX line, so if they only made a few and priced them slightly higher, telling people it is a limited production, people will pay a little more for the car. If the orders really start piling in, they could ramp up production like they did with the PT Cruiser. Later on they could give rebates when demand slowed down. If they dont get a lot of orders, they only planned on making a few anyway.

Remember when people were paying WAY over sticker on other cars when they were first introduced because they HAD to have one or they HAD to be the first one in the area to have one? I was thinking that they were playing on that scenario a little bit.

I hope that explains my goofy train of thought...

Posted By: origcharger

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 03:55 PM

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With an anticipated production of 5,000 to 10,000 units it will likely be sometime before the buyer of modest means is able to get his hands on one.

and why is that?????????????

In a nutshell, supply and demand.

Posted By: kmfdm

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 03:59 PM

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In regards to price remember that there is not a reason for the car to be priced anymore than any of the current LX platform cars. Demand? Sure that's a good reason but remember that DCX has sold about twice the amount of 300s as originally expected and the price has not changed.
Also, unlike the Viper (which is mostly hand built and shares a platform with nothing) the Challenger wont cost anymore to build than a Charger.

I was thinking that they could make more per car. The 300 is a bread and butter car, so you wouldnt want to price it too high. In this case, it is a small addition to the LX line, so if they only made a few and priced them slightly higher, telling people it is a limited production, people will pay a little more for the car. If the orders really start piling in, they could ramp up production like they did with the PT Cruiser. Later on they could give rebates when demand slowed down. If they dont get a lot of orders, they only planned on making a few anyway.

Remember when people were paying WAY over sticker on other cars when they were first introduced because they HAD to have one or they HAD to be the first one in the area to have one? I was thinking that they were playing on that scenario a little bit.

I hope that explains my goofy train of thought...

The 300 is bread and butter, but that doesn't mean it costs less to produce. Could DCX decide to jack the price up to make a lot of profit per car? Sure. But I doubt they want to have their own version of the new GTO. I think of it this way, does it make more sense to sell 7,000 cars at $5000 profit or 25,000 cars at $3000 profit? Remember that the production number released isn't something set in stone. Plus, rebates later on are NOT how DCX wants to sell cars. That means little profit later on. Not good for the company in the long run. I will take bets now and say that the Challenger will NOT cost anymore than a similarly equipped Charger. maybe if enough people call my bet, I can get a Challenger for free!!!

Posted By: RestoRick

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 04:14 PM

Yes, that production number sounds WAY low...

The hot selling new mustang is being produced in limited numbers (I THINK 100K units?)...
the dealers are screaming. They have a hot selling car that they can't get and have actually stopped taking orders for GT's at most dealers.
My friend who has a Ford store tells me he's been told Ford is limiting production to keep demand high. He told them that the current production is LOWER than Mustangs built in 1966 era!!
Shooting themselves in the foot I believe.
IMO..this is a golden opportunity for DC to introduce a competitive model and produce it in adequate supply. We have diehard Mopar guys buying FORD Mustangs... and people getting tired of not being able to get them too... seems like a no-brainer!!

Rick

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 04:20 PM

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He told them that the current production is LOWER than Mustangs built in 1966 era!!

That doesnt surprise me since they sold about a million by that time. I agree, Challenger costs roughly the same as the Stang and Charger. I think the low number is because they dont wanna shoot too high in a market that is pretty risky. The Mustang aside, the 2 door RWD V8 market is small

Posted By: BirdinPieces

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 04:27 PM

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The 300 is bread and butter, but that doesn't mean it costs less to produce. Could DCX decide to jack the price up to make a lot of profit per car? Sure. But I doubt they want to have their own version of the new GTO. I think of it this way, does it make more sense to sell 7,000 cars at $5000 profit or 25,000 cars at $3000 profit? Remember that the production number released isn't something set in stone. Plus, rebates later on are NOT how DCX wants to sell cars. That means little profit later on. Not good for the company in the long run. I will take bets now and say that the Challenger will NOT cost anymore than a similarly equipped Charger. maybe if enough people call my bet, I can get a Challenger for free!!!

I'm not talking about cost of production. I'm saying that if the supply is perceived by the customer to be small, people will spend an extra 2k to get the car they want. So for the limited production, if they make 5k vs. 3k per car, they are golden. If later they give a 2k rebate or mark it down the following year, they still make the original 3k just like the markup of the 300(in this example). If they see a huge demand at the car shows, I could see them playing this inital "limited" production to the hilt.

In the case of the GTO, I think two mistakes were made. They marked the car up too much(way more than 2k) and they misread the market for the perceived demand. Not to mention it looked like a jellybean. Did they ever mention whether or not it was going to be a limited production?

Posted By: kmfdm

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 04:58 PM

the one thing that i think we really need to remember is that we're talking about profits in the the 3k range or so for if you are right, 10,000 cars. What's 30mil to a company as big as DCX? It makes more sense to sell more cars so you can sell more parts later.
DCX also knows that the people this car is marketed for wont buy it if it costs too much.
Also, I cant recall if someone else mentioned this here, but DCX loves playing word games with their press releases. So when they say 5-10k a year, they might be talking only about the SRT-8 version. If you sell 10k SRT-8's, 25k R/T's, and 30K V-6's, you would be right in line with the production numbers they were quoted on a few months ago. A little over half of them with Hemis seems to sound about right I say.

Posted By: BirdinPieces

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 05:12 PM

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the one thing that i think we really need to remember is that we're talking about profits in the the 3k range or so for if you are right, 10,000 cars. What's 30k to a company as big as DCX? It makes more sense to sell more cars so you can sell more parts later.

You mean 30,000K or 30 mil. If you add 2k per car that is 50 mil. That is a lot to a car companies bottom line. I am sure they know they cant mark it up too much, but if they did just a little(not as much as the GTO)they would try to get away with it if it looks like they will get a high demand.

Granted all these numbers are just an example, but think of it this way. Would you buy a good looking "limited" production Hemi 2dr coupe that costs 2-3k more than a Mustang? I would absolutely. Would you if it was a regular production car? Maybe not...

Posted By: kmfdm

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 05:20 PM

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the one thing that i think we really need to remember is that we're talking about profits in the the 3k range or so for if you are right, 10,000 cars. What's 30k to a company as big as DCX? It makes more sense to sell more cars so you can sell more parts later.

You mean 30,000K or 30 mil. If you add 2k per car that is 50 mil. That is a lot to a car companies bottom line. I am sure they know they cant mark it up too much, but if they did just a little(not as much as the GTO)they would try to get away with it if it looks like they will get a high demand.

Granted all these numbers are just an example, but think of it this way. Would you buy a good looking "limited" production Hemi 2dr coupe that costs 2-3k more than a Mustang? I would absolutely. Would you if it was a regular production car? Maybe not...

oops, yeah i meant to compare whats 30 million versus 20 million for them. Got carried away with all the k's i was using. time to go back and edit. My point was that they will make even more if they sell twice as many for a few thousand less.

Posted By: kmfdm

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 05:27 PM

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the one thing that i think we really need to remember is that we're talking about profits in the the 3k range or so for if you are right, 10,000 cars. What's 30k to a company as big as DCX? It makes more sense to sell more cars so you can sell more parts later.

You mean 30,000K or 30 mil. If you add 2k per car that is 50 mil. That is a lot to a car companies bottom line. I am sure they know they cant mark it up too much, but if they did just a little(not as much as the GTO)they would try to get away with it if it looks like they will get a high demand.

Granted all these numbers are just an example, but think of it this way. Would you buy a good looking "limited" production Hemi 2dr coupe that costs 2-3k more than a Mustang? I would absolutely. Would you if it was a regular production car? Maybe not...

selling 10k a year for 5k profit will get you 50mil, but 25k a year at 3k profit will get you 75mil. I know for me that buying a car that costs $28,000 vs. $30,000 is a huge factor, especially if I know that i can get it's direct competitor (mustang) for $26,000.

Posted By: Quikshft

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 06:06 PM

Now that the issue of dealer mark-ups has arisen, that is likely to be what would cause me to have to wait until the initial feeding frenzy is over. Anybody remember $35,000 PT Cruisers?

Posted By: 1Adam12

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 06:12 PM

There was an article in Mopar Muscle 2 mo. ago about this, talking like 60-70,000 units.

AB

Posted By: moparmatt

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 07:01 PM

When I saw the 99' concept Charger I thought it was awesome! even though it was a four door. Then the reality of what was delivered to the public was disgusting!!! And I took every oppurtunity to voice my opinion how I felt about the new Charger. And I still feel it is flat out UGLY! The pics of the Challenger are awesome /exciting!!! Don't do it to us again DCX build this car as close as you can to what you have leaked out. This is exciting!!!! the MuscleCar wars are ON! Build it, sign me up!

Posted By: IronYuppie

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 07:12 PM

Underneath the sheetmetal, the Charger is essentially identical to the 300 and Magnum so there is significant cost savings by using all of the existing tooling, jigs, and various other components. A new chassis would have to be engineered, tested, and then adapted to the assembly line, or a special line would have to be created. If the Challenger is to be the first of the LY platform (more flexible than the LX, i.e. wheelbase, doors, transmission type), then these added costs are more of an investment for the new cars coming down the road. But on its own, a car with these changes would cost more than what went into the Charger.

Posted By: 70CHALRGTP

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 07:31 PM

I like it. Too bad I have to wait for it. I'm getting my check after filing for the Lemon Law on my dad's

LincBomb LS. Maybe I get him to hold off for a few years before going for a new car.

Posted By: Devilbrad

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 07:34 PM

300th post here?? He he! I'm down for it!! Any color!!! I'm gonna have to start saving.

Posted By: kmfdm

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 07:48 PM

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Underneath the sheetmetal, the Charger is essentially identical to the 300 and Magnum so there is significant cost savings by using all of the existing tooling, jigs, and various other components. A new chassis would have to be engineered, tested, and then adapted to the assembly line, or a special line would have to be created. If the Challenger is to be the first of the LY platform (more flexible than the LX, i.e. wheelbase, doors, transmission type), then these added costs are more of an investment for the new cars coming down the road. But on its own, a car with these changes would cost more than what went into the Charger.

That's my point. Because this car is on the same platform, it doesnt matter if they produce 5k or 55k. As long as they have the capacity they can do it. Like i said before, there is a very informative thread on allpar about this. A few people there really know what they're talking about. It's not necessarily what this car is, but how it's made.

Posted By: donbarnes

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 09:27 PM

A few purists would howl, but if they do build this, and the purpose is to compete with the new Mustang- the smart thing business wise would be to name it "Barracuda" or "cuda". Name recognition alone would sell an extra twenty thousand of them. The Plymouth line may be gone, but I bet DCX stills owns the Cuda name

Posted By: cal_gecko

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 10:11 PM

has ANYONE seen the alleged sketches that were released by DCX? I have yet to see any.

If they are only making 5-10,000/yr of this car, I'm sure none of us will end up with one. The dealers will be able to price them so high it will be ridiculous, and it'll be the super-rich who will end up with one in their garage. I'm sure there will be a waiting list a mile long, even if they're priced at 75-100k each

Posted By: IronYuppie

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 10:31 PM

Unlike the Charger, the Challenger will require significant changes to the platform which costs more money. Even if the upfront design and infrastructure changes cost only as much as those for the Charger, they would also have to sell as many in order to get the same benefit from their investment. However, if it really is the first of a new, more flexible "LY" platform, then the extra cost won't matter much in the long run, since the other cars will eventually benefit when they are redesigned.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 10:31 PM

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has ANYONE seen the alleged sketches that were released by DCX? I have yet to see any.

Read the entire thread, and click the links, gecko. They sketches are in several of the links, and I believe posted in this thread.

Posted By: KISSAlien

Re: new Challenger? - 11/24/05 11:29 PM

Here it is again for the lazy people.

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Posted By: Detroit_Muscle

Re: new Challenger? - 11/25/05 02:54 AM

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has ANYONE seen the alleged sketches that were released by DCX? I have yet to see any.

If they are only making 5-10,000/yr of this car, I'm sure none of us will end up with one. The dealers will be able to price them so high it will be ridiculous, and it'll be the super-rich who will end up with one in their garage. I'm sure there will be a waiting list a mile long, even if they're priced at 75-100k each

Relax guys, I read in Popular Mechaincs and also in Allpar that the anticipated production number is 60 to 70 thousand a year. I would think there was a misquote along the way. No big deal. At 5 to 10 thousand a year, DCX wouldn't even have a solid business case to produce the car. Heck at those numbers how can they even justify calling the car a Mustang fighter?

Let's all take a collective deep breath and wait as details emerge.

I will go the the NAIAS in January and I will take as many pics of the car with the Lockness Monster and Bigfoot standing next to it, just to make sure it is for real.

Posted By: MN-ScatPack

Re: new Challenger? - 11/25/05 02:58 AM

Where or who can one send a response to about this car? I for one would love to email someone at DCX about this new car and tell them to NOT wait on it, build it quickly and just the way it looks now!

Anyone have an email address?

Posted By: Devilbrad

Re: new Challenger? - 11/25/05 03:02 AM

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I will go the the NAIAS in January and I will take as many pics of the car with the Lockness Monster and Bigfoot standing next to it, just to make sure it is for real.

Great line!! I cant believe the skeptics in this thread!! Sure, 7 pages ago it was easy to claim a photochop but now that we have word from DC that its the real deal (and dont even reply to this saying "What evidence???" Its been posted already!!!), you'd think they'd shut up or admit to being wrong, not keep pushing their stance. Thick heads dont allow much to get in....or out. Bring this beast on. We've all been waiting a long long time for this. It will have a Mopar badge, it will haul ass, it will be a V8 RWD, and its a 2 door, what else can you ask for?? This is 2005 after all.

Posted By: Jeff_T

Re: new Challenger? - 11/25/05 04:13 AM

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I will go the the NAIAS in January and I will take as many pics of the car with the Lockness Monster and Bigfoot standing next to it, just to make sure it is for real.

Great line!! I cant believe the skeptics in this thread!! Sure, 7 pages ago it was easy to claim a photochop but now that we have word from DC that its the real deal (and dont even reply to this saying "What evidence???" Its been posted already!!!), you'd think they'd shut up or admit to being wrong, not keep pushing their stance. Thick heads dont allow much to get in....or out. Bring this beast on. We've all been waiting a long long time for this. It will have a Mopar badge, it will haul ass, it will be a V8 RWD, and its a 2 door, what else can you ask for?? This is 2005 after all.

The best part about all these ridiculous arguments here is that the car doesn't come out for two+ more years! We are going to be arguing with these guys down to the day when we all go in to order our new Challengers and see the actual options and pricing list. Then they will tell us that what we ordered wasn't possible in that color or trans/engine combo, what mileage it will get, when delivery dates are and what we can put on our vanity license plates.

Let them argue while the rest of us realize that this Challenger is nearly the second coming of the Mopar Christ for Mopar guys worldwide. Rejoice!

Posted By: MonGoo$e

Re: new Challenger? - 11/25/05 04:40 AM

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A few purists would howl, but if they do build this, and the purpose is to compete with the new Mustang- the smart thing business wise would be to name it "Barracuda" or "cuda". Name recognition alone would sell an extra twenty thousand of them. The Plymouth line may be gone, but I bet DCX stills owns the Cuda name

you would be suprised by the amount of young people that know of the Challenger as much as the `cuda. I'm 23, and people my age down to 15 years old i know knew what one was before i got a 74, first time i drove it they knew all about them, boys and girls alike.

Posted By: origcharger

Re: new Challenger? - 11/25/05 04:43 AM

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HA HA!!!! And while you and I are enjoying beers together after driving half way across the USA in our new Challengers to hang out, they will be posting stuff like: "Its impossible for them to meet, thats just a drawing they are driving in!!! And its not even a DMX drawing!!! They are photochopped in those cars!!! That Brad guy is kinda cute though....."

If you guys can meet at my house in your new Challengers I will provide the non photochopped beers, offer expires in 2010.

Posted By: MonGoo$e

Re: new Challenger? - 11/25/05 05:00 AM

how about some color variations?

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Posted By: MonGoo$e

Re: new Challenger? - 11/25/05 05:03 AM

how bout sum plum?

Posted By: 68440fish

Re: new Challenger? - 11/25/05 05:08 AM

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I have several pictures of the black Superbird. It belongs to a friend in Austin

Hmmmm... never knew it was black. Guess I never really saw it before it was Blue. How do you know Mr. Ken? What is nice is that he did a lot of the work on the car himself.

Posted By: cal_gecko

Re: new Challenger? - 11/25/05 08:55 AM

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Here it is again for the lazy people.

Where can we see that this was an official DC released sketch, not another cooked up drawing by some 20 yr old kid like all the other sketches we've seen (new Camaro, 'cuda, Charger before it was released)..

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/25/05 09:14 AM

it doesnt say, but magazines and other publications have said that DCX is the source. Somewhere I also read the DCX guys talking about the sketch. Lets not be so skeptical here, im pretty sure people had these same discussions about the Hemi's return 5 years ago.

EDIT: http://www.autoblog.com/entry/1234000423069310/
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=108088

Posted By: 1970GTX

Re: new Challenger? - 11/25/05 01:51 PM

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I wish the power bulge hood had a little more bulge.
I wish the grille was more like a 70, but I think they made it look more like a 71 becuase it has more resemblance to their truck grille motif.
An old school flip top gas cap would be cool ..... but somehow highly unlikly.
I hope they have some retro like striping options... particularly the bumble bee type stripe.
It needs some kind of wing option.
And please let the ecu be tuner/mod friendly.
Also be competitive on price!

I'm sure that much of this could be taken care of by MP or the aftermarket. The PT Cruiser as well as Mustang have a ton of mods available for them.

Posted By: MonGoo$e

Re: new Challenger? - 11/25/05 02:49 PM

the date on the sketch is April-05 as well...so it's been around long enough for them to have made that concept real and we finally see it, didn't news of a new challenger hit around june or july? I know they'll make a Challenger, just when, I think 2009 is to far off..I think it should be within the next year. But what do I know?

Posted By: Jeff_T

Re: new Challenger? - 11/25/05 02:55 PM

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Here it is again for the lazy people.

Where can we see that this was an official DC released sketch, not another cooked up drawing by some 20 yr old kid like all the other sketches we've seen (new Camaro, 'cuda, Charger before it was released)..

Are you serious? How many times do we have to post the link to news articles that say "DC officially released an official artists rendering by an official DC design studio of the official Dodge Challenger concept of which a street car is officially due out in 2008. Officially.

AND I QUOTE:

""On Monday Dodge released this sketch of the new Challenger that, in addition to the amazing spy shots caught by AutoWeek, give us a really good idea of how the newest muscle car on the block will present itself once it�s unveiled at the Detroit Auto Show. The automotive press has been fielding mixed reactions about the car�s design, though we�re pretty sure it�s sweet. The look is very retro, almost to the point where it�s not so much a reinterpretation of a past design but an old design itself. Some have also speculated about whether it will have two or four doors. The spy shots and the sketch indicate the concept will have a proper pair of doors, and we can�t imagine the company would field another four-door muscle car alongside the Charger. One thing�s for �almost� certain, this car is coming. It�s everything but official and we�re predicting the reaction to the Challenger concept in Detroit will be universally positive, if for no other reason than folks want to see the Big 3 go at it again in this arena.""

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/25/05 02:58 PM

I like it, and I will be in the market for a new car in 2007, so instead of the Mustang that we were planning on, we make be stopping by the Dodge dealer for a change...

Posted By: 1972CudaV21

Re: new Challenger? - 11/25/05 08:58 PM

Why does this car remind me of the old Mercury Capri?????

Those Germans are up to something, again!

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/25/05 09:18 PM

I dunno because the car shown is a Ford Capri

and a MK1 RS2600 and maybe a 3.1 below at that, very cool car in the day IMO

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/25/05 09:36 PM

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Why does this car remind me of the old Mercury Capri?????
...snip...
Those Germans are up to something, again!

I think you're the only one that sees the resemblance. Two headlights per side and a crease down the side isn't enough for me.

Posted By: 69superbee383

Re: new Challenger? - 11/25/05 11:55 PM

I dont see it at all....We stuffed a 351 Cleveland 4V in one of those things. The drawing of the Challenger showed up today in my local newspaper along with the quote from Trevor Creed. I asked a friend of mine at the paper where they got it from and he said it came from DCX...so if it is a hoax it is a really good one.

Posted By: Strych9Cuda

Re: new Challenger? - 11/26/05 02:57 AM

This car looks great, just hope DCX, gets it right this time,if so I'll be a buyer.

Posted By: Big Bad Bee

Re: new Challenger? - 11/26/05 06:00 AM

Wow. This post has really taken off. Geko, if you have doubts about the sketch, look at the little rings with bolts in em around the high beams and then look at the spy photos. Regarding the spy photos, we know the source, and she would definitely come out against them if they were altered or faked, just to save her good reputation.

That said, One extremely cool thing on this car is that the headlights are the old round style instead of the molded contour type. This is extremely cool, and even if DC does molded ones, I hope they keep them circular and don't flush mount them.

Two other things. 1. I really hope that DCX learned their lesson from the PT Cruiser thing. I think that they have. They MUST have lost a ton of sales on that car when they couldn't keep up with demand and prices shot up. 2. For those concerned about the prototype making it into production, remember the prowler. radical design, yet the only real hurt put on the car at production was the goofy DOT front bumper. I would expect the aftermarket to fix any front molded bumper booboos that DOT inflicts upon this vehicle. With all that has been said here, I am now looking forward to the debute of this car.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/26/05 07:28 AM

Wow! What a cool car, or..."Hello Mr. Creed, i see you've come to your senses."

"Retro" is in, be it a concept car. It seems everyone is standing in line to buy one, me too. This is a car that i WOULD sell my six-pack Charger for. If it's true, this proves Daimler really did read our hate mail about that 4 door thing, i mean the Intrepid replacement.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/26/05 08:47 AM

ok my Photochp skills arent the greatest, but I managed to make the concept car in red. Ill do a few colors after, any requests? we've already seen black

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/26/05 09:08 AM

a Vanishing Point version

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/26/05 09:37 AM

Posted By: cal_gecko

Re: new Challenger? - 11/26/05 09:41 AM

as long as it doesn't look like this!

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/26/05 09:45 AM

lol there was a time when we would have accepted that, I have a magazine that shows that pic, very old. Im glad the challenger was designed the way it was

Posted By: cal_gecko

Re: new Challenger? - 11/26/05 09:46 AM

I LOVE the very last line in this article!!!
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=108096#9

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/26/05 10:27 AM

haha thats cool but im not so thrilled about the line right before it. They better put a 6 speed, or forget about the whole car. Autostick doesnt count either

Posted By: origcharger

Re: new Challenger? - 11/26/05 03:26 PM

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..."Hello Mr. Creed, i see you've come to your senses."

More of that tough love from Mr. Creed; "if you want a 1970 Challenger go buy one" or "if you want a 1978 Challenger go buy one" and finally "they all think their Challengers are the real thing"

Posted By: Quikshft

Re: new Challenger? - 11/26/05 06:06 PM

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haha thats cool but im not so thrilled about the line right before it. They better put a 6 speed, or forget about the whole car. Autostick doesnt count either

The absence of manual transmission make the Mustang look good again. I just would not buy a new car with an automatic trans.

Posted By: -Cuda

Re: new Challenger? - 11/26/05 06:36 PM

Personally I could car less about a manual tranny....make mine an autostick. I'd even accept a 5.7 hemi if it looks identical to the SRT only missing the SRT badging. I want all the stripes, scoops etc. As much as I would like the 6.1 I can do without it in order to save on the gas guzzler taxes and at the pump. This car would have to be daily transportaton afterall.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/26/05 08:57 PM

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..."Hello Mr. Creed, i see you've come to your senses."

More of that tough love from Mr. Creed; "if you want a 1970 Challenger go buy one" or "if you want a 1978 Challenger go buy one" and finally "they all think their Challengers are the real thing"

Didn't some smart guy once say..."Those who dont know their history are bound to repeat it." Lets hope this cool car doesn't fall into the bad catagory...

'70 Challenger Good...'78 Challenger Bad
'68 Charger Good...'75 Charger Bad
Any others? Sorry no 4 doors included.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/26/05 10:50 PM

Wow!I might have to eat my words.I just stated that i was done with CHRYSLER and the forced fed 4dr magnum aka charger.
IF IF IF IF Chrysler builds the car thats in the spy picture(with more of the 70 challenger flavor) i will pry my wallet open and buy my first new vehicle in over 10 years.
A new chally will look good next to the 70 challenger r/t.

Posted By: FJ5V9Y

Re: new Challenger? - 11/27/05 01:19 AM

Someone call Chrysler and tell not to change a thing . Mark me down for one .

Posted By: 69clone

Re: new Challenger? - 11/27/05 02:36 AM

I would love to is it come true, but i am not going to hold my breath. They will find a way to mess it up.

Posted By: dezduster

Re: new Challenger? - 11/27/05 10:14 PM

Way back in febuary I called DC and cused them for the poor looks of the charger the naming and the amount of doors. The guy after 10 + minutes of my critisism said "We are working on something exciting and it sounds like its what you are asking for" My major complaint was the charger and the fact its not a mustang hunter. A 4 door will never be an exceptional handling or performing vehichle. Nor does (charger) belong on that car. Exciting only to a soccer mom grduating from a stinking mini van. I now like the Charger its a rear wheel drive hemi powered replacement for the Intrepid how cool is that?

This car however is making me do the

dance. If this car is like it looks now I will embrace it like every other mopar open arms and enthusiasm. And I cant stinkin wait to have a magazine dedicated soley to the car I drive with hundreds of differant hop up parts readily available. LIKE THE MUSTWANG. I believe this car could be the remoparzation of our ciilization.!!!!

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/27/05 10:45 PM

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A 4 door will never be an exceptional handling or performing vehichle.

It outperforms most of our TWO door cars. And, vastly outhandles all of them, as well.

Posted By: dezduster

Re: new Challenger? - 11/28/05 12:40 AM

Exceptional for its ERA I didnt think I would have to explain that. It wont compete with a mustang in handling or a camaro of 2 or 3 years ago performance wise either. I am finnished slaming the Charger!

I have yet to begin praising the challenger if its what I want as an enthusiast or close to what I want. Anything can be tweaked for a specific purpose but you need a decent starting platform. I believe the Challenger to be that platform.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/28/05 01:19 AM

If by platform you mean the underlying structure, which in the forementioned Challenger is the LX, then yes it is a good starting platform, and the same platform the Charger is based on.

The Challenger is NOT that different from the Charger at all. They might look different, but I imagine the weight difference is not as much as you might expect, and since it has the same brakes, same engine, same everything as the Charger, I don't see how its THAT much better of a starting point.

And btw, I am not sure if it is mentioned in this thread, but from what I hear, this concept is based on the LX platform, not the LY, so it could theoretically be closer than you think...

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/28/05 02:18 AM

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Exceptional for its ERA I didnt think I would have to explain that. It wont compete with a mustang in handling or a camaro of 2 or 3 years ago performance wise either. I am finnished slaming the Charger!

I have yet to begin praising the challenger if its what I want as an enthusiast or close to what I want. Anything can be tweaked for a specific purpose but you need a decent starting platform. I believe the Challenger to be that platform.

It also outperforms anything in its class and price range. The Mustang is not in it's class, and doesn't really do all that much better. In fact, the Mustang GT is SLOWER than the SRT-8, and about the same speed as the R/T, in the 1/4. Hmmmmm......

Edit for spelling.

Posted By: Pat_Whalen

Re: new Challenger? - 11/28/05 02:22 AM

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Exceptional for its ERA I didnt think I would have to explain that. It wont compete with a mustang in handling or a camaro of 2 or 3 years ago performance wise either. I am finnished slaming the Charger!

I have yet to begin praising the challenger if its what I want as an enthusiast or close to what I want. Anything can be tweaked for a specific purpose but you need a decent starting platform. I believe the Challenger to be that platform.

It also outperforms anything in its class and price range. The Mustang is not in it's class, and doesn't really do all that much better. In fact, the Mustang GT is SLOWER than the SRT-4, and about the same speed as the R/T, in the 1/4. Hmmmmm......

Shhhh, its got 4 doors. Its GOT to suck at anything it does. Don't you know that by now?

Posted By: sixpakdodge

Re: new Challenger? - 11/28/05 02:23 AM

What about the 4-door 66 Hemi Coronets?

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/28/05 03:53 AM

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What about the 4-door 66 Hemi Coronets?

they made a few, now there all 4 door Hemis. Go figure

Posted By: dezduster

Re: new Challenger? - 11/28/05 04:05 AM

Oh my God,I should not have said platform. I feel the CHARGER is not a muscle car it is a glorified family four door car wich is cool compared to the intrepid. I was disgusted with the whole the Charger is coming the Charger is coming thing and it turns out to be a four door, something I dont want. They hyped me up and let me down not the father with three kids GUY,the muscle car enthusiast GUY. The guy who has stuck with crysler through the crappy K cars and front driven junk waiting hoping for a car that is atainable to the masses that would go head to head with mustang camaro in every aspect performance looks handling followers every thing. BY PLATFORM I MEANT A STARTING POINT FOR ME.Sorry bout the missunderstanding. ENJOY

Posted By: sixpakdodge

Re: new Challenger? - 11/28/05 04:17 AM

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Shhhh, its got 4 doors. Its GOT to suck at anything it does. Don't you know that by now?

I was referring to this statement when I said "What about 66 Hemi 4-door Coronets?"

Posted By: astrobuf

Re: new Challenger? - 11/28/05 04:29 AM

Your link is dead. Use this one instead to get to the Detroit News article!

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...=73227784349096

Astrobuf

Posted By: Kilroy was here

Re: new Challenger? - 11/28/05 04:35 AM

I'll take one of these Cudas'

Posted By: Nobody

Re: new Challenger? - 11/28/05 04:37 AM

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I was disgusted with the whole the Charger is coming the Charger is coming thing and it turns out to be a four door, something I dont want. They hyped me up and let me down not the father with three kids GUY,the muscle car enthusiast GUY.

You must have missed the four door 1999 concept Charger entirely.

Posted By: MN-ScatPack

Re: new Challenger? - 11/28/05 03:43 PM

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I'll take one of these Cudas'

I would to, but it will never be built and besides, it has the wrong exhaust tips

and is missing one fender gill.

Posted By: tommyg

Re: new Challenger? - 11/28/05 03:49 PM

So when they say "it is coming", do they mean the concept and production or just concept? According to the design chief, no plans for production...

from autoblog.com:

Chrysler released a small podcast for us journalists in which Kevin Verduyn, the Design Chief at Chrysler�s Advance Product Design Studio in Pacifica, CA, speaks out on the Challenger Concept that will debut at the Detroit show in January. Verduyn claims that the design originally took inspiration from muscle cars in general of the era, although as these pictures illustrate it turned out to be all Charger. The concept does have a full back seat and if produced Verduyn says he�d vote to keep it two-door.

Speaking of production, Verduyn states there are no plans to produce the Challenger Concept, although a positive reaction at the Detroit show will bolster its business case. Quite frankly, we can�t imagine the Chrysler Group, of all automakers, would pass on this concept. The company pressed the Prowler into service with a much weaker business case and as we all know, the modern muscle car segment is begging for players.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/28/05 04:02 PM

I don't understand the whole process, but from what I understand the Challenger is not so important in regards to the actual car, but what it represents. There is a fundimental shift in the way that the LX platform is being built on the factory line. Much smarter people than me on Allpar.com have tried to explain it, but I can't repeat how exactly they put it, so here is my explanation:

The new technology they are TRYING OUT is a way that multiple models of the same platform (LX) can be made on the same line in a manner that can be described as "Just in Time." Rather than put out a concurrant run of 5k Challengers in a row, they can make 1k, and put them out into dealers hands, and see how they do. If the Challenger (or any other LX) has high demand, they can put them through the line in the corresponding mix. So, in my understanding, they are being coy about when and how many Challengers will be produced because it really doesn't matter how many they SAY they will produce, since the overall goal is to keep that one factory running as close to %100 capacity all the time, and to sell each and every car it produces WITHOUT incentives.

The whole technique that DCX is trying out is MUCH more important to the company than the Challenger itself. However, getting the Challenger out is a proof of concept, and if it works, it means very very good things for DCX and the possibility of new and exciting models in the future (and even possibly mid year models and improvements).

Posted By: BirdinPieces

Re: new Challenger? - 11/28/05 05:19 PM

I had a thought this weekend and want to run it past you guys:

Do you think they will make the electronics in the car "tuner" friendly?

If I want to add headers, a different cam, etc. to up the output of the motor, I dont want to have to fight with a closed system that wont allow the changes. I also dont want a "one size fits all" chip that is preprogrammed. Those systems SUCK.

Any thoughts/opinions?

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/28/05 06:01 PM

good question, but I think this car will be a lot like the LX cars. Is the Charger/300/Magnum tuner friendly? DCX might make you pay for an SRT-8 if you want any real performance.

Posted By: DirectSubjection

Re: new Challenger? - 11/28/05 06:12 PM

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I think this car will be a lot like the LX cars.\

They aren't trying to break any new mechanical design ground with it, just new styling venture. I would think it would be similar to them.

Posted By: Nobody

Re: new Challenger? - 11/28/05 08:39 PM

Many refer to the 2006 Charger as the "Magnum Sedan", so as to keep things clear and consistant perhaps the Challenger should be refered to as the "Magnum Coupe"?

Posted By: IronYuppie

Re: new Challenger? - 11/28/05 09:40 PM

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A 4 door will never be an exceptional handling or performing vehichle.

The best all-around performing cars for less than $40,000 are the Evo and STi, and both of them have 4 doors. In the One Lap of America top 10, three of them had four doors (300C SRT8, SRT-4, and Evo).

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 11/28/05 10:05 PM

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A 4 door will never be an exceptional handling or performing vehichle.

I beg to differ.....see attachment

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Posted By: Sinister68

Chrysler's new exec sounds promising - 11/29/05 01:24 AM

Just found this article on Chrysler's new exec .

Not really sure but perhaps this is promising for the new Challenger.

Posted By: 72N96RR

Re: new Challenger? - 11/29/05 02:48 AM

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A 4 door will never be an exceptional handling or performing vehichle...

Check out Cadillacs 4 door rallye cars.. :thumb
They are sweet...

Posted By: ricomondo

Re: new Challenger? - 11/29/05 03:30 AM

After recently looking at Saleen S281 Mustangs, I had no idea about how the concept car looked until when I saw this thread today. I've seen the great work Doug Schram had done on his site and thats what I thought it was when I saw it. All I can say is, if they (DCX) builds anything even remotely close to what I've seen, I'm all over that car like green on grass!!

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: Chrysler's new exec sounds promising - 11/29/05 03:32 AM

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Just found this article on Chrysler's new exec .

Not really sure but perhaps this is promising for the new Challenger.

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from autoblog.com:
Speaking of production, Verduyn states there are no plans to produce the Challenger Concept, although a positive reaction at the Detroit show will bolster its business case.

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from MSNBC article:
To climb that mountain, LaSorda intends to boost Chrysler's sales by 1 million cars by 2010. Phase 1: next year's new-model onslaught, which will see Jeep double its offerings and Dodge return fire on the Mustang with its own retro-cool Challenger muscle car.

Interesting differences in what the two articles say... I could be wrong, but still believe the car has been approved for production... but it could still be canceled at the last minute if it is not well received by the public (not just the motorheads here...

)

Here is a quote from a former Chrysler employee on Allpar...

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from Allpar.Com thread on the Challenger concept car:
(the guys at DCX are going to shoot me for the following...but here goes....)

An S1 is production intent. What this means is that the architecture of the vehicle (the way parts fit together and are assembled) is finished, the platform is finished (how the car will be assembled from a human production standpoint), and the feasability is finished (the "how the heck do we do this? portion). The only major hurdle to overcome is the production tooling (the "hard tooling") and installation in the real production plant, not the advanced manufacturing plant at Auburn Hills. The destign is also finished-what you see is what you get. The only way the car can be changed now into a 4 door is if there has been one developed concurrently with the 2 door. The only possible thing top go "wrong" is the potential (and it IS real) that final funding is not approved for production. In terms of cost-they are at the breakover point with S1. It is now "do it or don't do it" decision time. There are no other options.

To explain all the details that scream "S1" to me would take pages and I am sure that I would miss some. In general, it is the "theme" of the car-meaning how well the various legal requirements are integrated into the vehicle, how well the ergonomics are integrated (vision sight lines, etc) the completeness of the design. For example- rarely do you see working windows on a concept car (like the 1999 Charger), in these pictures, altho there COULD be removable windows, I doubt it beacuse that assumption (fixed windows) do not fit in with the other details that are present.

I am sorry I don't have more time to go into more detail...I'll try to later...

Best regards.....

--------------------

RW (Bob) Sheaves

At the moment I expect the Challenger to be unveiled at the Detroit Auto Show (NAIAS) as a concept, with another unveiling later in the year as a production version. The car may have a few things to work out yet, like a front impact bumper, reverse light, Etc...

Just my opinions... I wish DCX would come out soon and formally announce that the Challenger will reach production!

XS

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: Chrysler's new exec sounds promising - 11/29/05 03:51 AM

Yet another sign from a post on Allpar... the board member "sleeper" is apparently a current DCX employee and has a good record of providing insight into upcoming vehicles... still, no proof of course!

Note: bold print and underlined print added for emphasis...

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Today, 07:10 PM Post #670
sleeper
Unusually Active
Group: Members
Posts: 1,057
Joined: 1-April 02
Member No.: 144

QUOTE(hemidakota @ Nov 28 2005, 10:54 AM)

I do agree with Bob. This car is beyond the concept level.

yes it is

Posted By: ccdave

Re: Chrysler's new exec sounds promising - 11/29/05 05:01 AM

What a great answer to the new Mustang!!

Posted By: Moparmal

Re: Chrysler's new exec sounds promising - 11/30/05 04:03 AM

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A 4 door will never be an exceptional handling or performing vehichle.

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The best all-around performing cars for less than $40,000 are the Evo and STi, and both of them have 4 doors. In the One Lap of America top 10, three of them had four doors (300C SRT8, SRT-4, and Evo).

Having just taken a Mustang from LA to Vegas and then to Frisco....and then had the opportunity to beat on a Charger SRT8 for 30 mins...I can tell you there is NO comparison.....absolutely NONE....the SRT drives like a gen Hi $$$$ European sports car..the Mustang drives like a sago pudding.....

and I'll say once again...DCX execs don't go winking at Joe Blow and getting all pumped over one off concepts...the new Chally WILL be a reality.

l8r.

Posted By: Hank

Re: new Challenger? - 11/30/05 04:38 AM

I'm not an E-body guy but I want one.

Posted By: dezduster

Re: new Challenger? - 11/30/05 05:23 AM

Courtesy of DaimlerChrysler
Nice Ride: The Challenger concept car
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Where LaSorda ultimately wants to steer Chrysler, though, is out of the Big Three. He'd rather move with the fast crowd: Honda, Nissan and Toyota. "They're the force to be reckoned with," he says. For now, Chrysler is not in their league, making just $500 per car while Toyota banks $2,000 on each model it sells. "Chrysler is on the edge of a cliff," says analyst Sean McAlinden. "They can look down on the rocks and see GM and Ford and look up on the mountain and see Toyota." To climb that mountain, LaSorda intends to boost Chrysler's sales by 1 million cars by 2010.

Phase 1: next year's new-model onslaught, which will see Jeep double its offerings and Dodge return fire on the Mustang with its own retro-cool Challenger muscle car.

LaSorda runs his product-development machine as lean as his factories: Chrysler now spits out 50 percent more new models on a budget that's been cut from $8.5 billion to $6 billion since 2000. "More with less," he says, smiling. "That's the secret of our success."

Posted By: origcharger

Re: new Challenger? - 11/30/05 12:02 PM

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A two door version would out perfom each of these cars for no other reason than mass. More doors more mass!

Becuase of mandated automotive construction safety standards this claim is inaccurate. Comparing cars with usable back seats, there is little differance in mass between a 2 door and 4 door.

Your only point that is not argueable is that you prefer a 2 door over a 4 door.

Posted By: Finoke

Re: new Challenger? - 11/30/05 01:05 PM

If Dodge puts out a real muscle Challenger, will it bring the prices of our E body Challengers up, down or steady.

The prices on E bodys have gone nuts over the last 5 years, will it get any crazier!

Does anybody got a feel for what the classic mustang fastbacks have done since the new mustang has been out?

The concept seems to look very similar to my car that is attached

Posted By: IronYuppie

Re: new Challenger? - 11/30/05 05:03 PM

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I am sure that the 300C SRT8 ,SRT-4,AND EVO were bone stock.

They were as "bone stock" as the other cars in the top ten, at a fraction of the cost.

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I am absolutly positive they were taken down to the local TUNER shop for the works which was paid for by DODGE other than the EVO.

The 300C was driven by two Chrysler engineers representing the SRT division. It had the Charger SRT8 suspension, a blueprinted engine, fat tires and catless exhaust. The SRT-4 was driven by Lake Effect Racing, with all upgrades out of the Mopar catalog. The Evo was built and driven by an Evo tuner shop.

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Its not how much power you have its how little mass you must move or turn.

Actually, its the power to weight ratio, traction, the engineering of the chassis and how much you can afford. If you start with a mass produced, high volume vehicle like a Neon, 300, Imprezza, or Lancer you pass those savings to the customer. 4 door sedans also tend to have a stiffer chassis from the centrally located post.

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: new Challenger? - 11/30/05 11:49 PM

Here come the magazine covers...

Just another photochop... huh guys?

XS

EDIT: OOPS... FORGET WHAT YA SAW GUYS.

Per a request from MPH magazine to remove the cover picture, I am changing the image posted... anyone know how to get toothpaste back into a tube?

I thought this image was taken from a subscriber copy already out there, but it sounds like it got out before showtime!

I found it on various other message boards and thought everyone here ought to see it too... Also thought it was part of a planned early peek by DCX, even the spy pictures seem too good to be not allowed by DCX to some degree...

So, sorry MPH magazine and DCX... didn't mean to

... BAD XS!... GO TO YOUR ROOM AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YA DONE!

Here is what is posted in a later part of this thread by InViolent:

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Hey, for what it's worth, Eddie Alterman from MPH Magazine has requested that the cover image shown on this post be taken down. I guess he's concerned with DCX's possible reaction?
I had emailed him a few questions about the article, and he asked if there was anything I could do to help him avoid getting into any hot water about that cover image. I told him I would post a request, but also that I am powerless over this situation! LOL...anyway...8 page story in MPH due out January 10th.....

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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 12:36 AM

Wow, that is beyond cool. I hope they sell alot of Challengers so hint hint a retro 2 DOOR Charger would be next.

Maybe

Posted By: dezduster

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 12:58 AM

They were as "bone stock" as the other cars in the top ten, at a fraction of the cost.

I AM FLYING THE BS FLAG . How much time and money was invested is disclosed where.

The 300C was driven by two Chrysler engineers representing the SRT division. It had the Charger SRT8 suspension, a blueprinted engine, fat tires and catless exhaust. The SRT-4 was driven by Lake Effect Racing, with all upgrades out of the Mopar catalog. The Evo was built and driven by an Evo tuner shop.

Once again the BS flag flys. My point was simply if a large 4 door car like the CHARGER was cut down to a 2 door(Challenger) using all same components/ platform and DESIGNED AS A 2 DOOR the 2 door WILL perform BETTER. Of course the extra weight lengthand doors must be left off also.

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Its not how much power you have its how little mass you must move or turn.

Some of youre statement is true .However you are still missing my point. If you use the same platform ,power train,HORSE POWER,suspension,and last but not least TIRES,The lighter vehichle built to the same specific structural standards WILL handle better.
I am pretty much through with any more discusions. You may claim youreselves as victors. I see the CHALLENGER IS BECOMING A REALITY. Buy your Charger an 07 and I will purchase a equally prepped 07 Challenger we will race and find out who is correct. Road course or drag race.That is the best way to solve this enigma.

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Posted By: origcharger

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 01:57 AM

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A two door version would out perfom each of these cars for no other reason than mass. More doors more mass!

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Becuase of mandated automotive construction safety standards this claim is inaccurate. Comparing cars with usable back seats, there is little differance in mass between a 2 door and 4 door.

Your only point that is not argueable is that you prefer a 2 door over a 4 door.

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AH HA "little differance in mass." youre words any will make a differance.

Huh?

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So now you change the rules to a useable back seat? Useable by youre standards or 2 door standards sports/muscle cars type of useable.

Useable back seat as in similar sized, useable as in actually having a back seat, useable back seats so we aren't comparing a 2 door sports car with a near non existant back seat to a Chrysler 300.

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If 4 door cars were such a superior platform then all performance cars would be 4 doors.

I suppose they might be if that were true but I never made that assertion.

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I have yet to see an 8 second street car like in hot rod this month with 4 doors. Nor have I seen 4 door cars in the top echlons of road racing.

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If youre theory was true we would all be wanting 4 doors.

My theory is that in todays cars, there is little differance in mass between a 2 door and 4 door versions of similar sized cars that actually have useable back seats. My theory has little to do with how many doors anyone wants.

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Posted By: origcharger

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 02:22 AM

My god, its got a crosshair grill.

Posted By: MonGoo$e

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 03:15 AM

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My god, its got a crosshair grill.

It wouldn't take much to make it a 70, just take out the _ and |..lol see attach

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 03:17 AM

Wow, looks better w/ a '70 grill

Posted By: challenger70

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 03:22 AM

Me wantee! It's a little thick between the grill and the valance, but I'll take it. Make mine a 6 speed srt-8 in top banana to match my 70'.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 03:43 AM

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Nor have I seen 4 door cars in the top echlons of road racing.

Then you don't watch much REAL road racing. NASCAR doesn't count, as that is not real racing.

SRT-4s, Evos, Subaru WRX STi's, they all DOMINATE road courses. And they all have 4 doors.....

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I want the biggest car I can get. H E double hockey sticks I will race that limo against youre mustang and win. Get real.

Now you are just reaching. Pathetically, I might add...

Posted By: blair

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 03:53 AM

If that car makes it to prodution looking ANYTHING like that magazine cover, i WILL find a way to own one. That looks freaking awesome.

Posted By: dezduster

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 05:26 AM

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Nor have I seen 4 door cars in the top echlons of road racing.

Then you don't watch much REAL road racing. NASCAR doesn't count, as that is not real racing.

SRT-4s, Evos, Subaru WRX STi's, they all DOMINATE road courses. And they all have 4 doors..... :think

Now you are just reaching. Pathetically, I might add...

OK I guess I am a sucker for adversity.Do you really believe an EVO or STIs are large cars.They might as well be 2 door in length and a factory lightweight in MASS. I see you are not above demeaning terms. I will not however go there, there is noone worth that journey.

I visited the ONE LAP OF AMERICA site it seems even they believe in seperation of LARGE LUXURY cars from A SPORTS/MUSCLE/PONY type car.FOR GOOD REASON I AM ASSURED.
1st PORSCH
2nd VIPER
3rd VETTE
4th DODGE TRUCK uh its a 2 door!
5th Z06 VETTE
AFTER THAT THEY BREAK IT DOWN IN CLASSES IN DESENDING SPEEDS AND ASCENDING TIMES. With the exception of the evo and the neon that out perform the much larger 4 door 300. If youre hp stays the same and youre mass is lessened you go faster every time regaurdless. Thanks for your time GENIUS.

I suppose you are not interested in pursuing the CHARGER vs CHALLENGER heads up race in 07 or are you? GOOD DAY

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 06:00 AM

My pathetic comment was in regards to your limo vs. Mustang arguement, which I found to be weak, and pathetic.

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I suppose you are not interested in pursuing the CHARGER vs CHALLENGER heads up race in 07 or are you? GOOD DAY

No, since the Challenger will be a smaller car, supposedly with more hp, it's like racing a Viper vs a stock Mustang. Incomparable.

As for your trying to disregard the Evo and Neon, you never said the size of the car came into play, just the number of doors. Of COURSE a smaller car with a similarly powered engine will be faster. That's just common sense. However, the # of doors does not significantly affect the performance of the car.

Posted By: Devilbrad

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 06:03 AM

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I have yet to see an 8 second street car like in hot rod this month with 4 doors.

This was in Hot Rod magazine, 8.752 @ 159.27. Conventional? No. 8 second 4 door in Hot Rod? Yes.

Posted By: 69HemiGTX

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 06:53 AM

WOW!

That thing is sexy from the front! That grille would be so easy to replace that I am sure the aftermarket will start popping out 70 and 71 replicas for it. If it really is in the $28K neighborhood as they claim, I'll have one in my driveway. Are you listening, Dodge?

Oh yeah, I want to read the other cover story, and not for the car.

Posted By: Pat_Whalen

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 07:56 AM

We'll just have to wait until january-ish to check out that magazine article with hopefully some better pictures and more details. The date on the cover is February 2006 (for you old people with squinty eyes

)

Posted By: dezduster

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 08:19 AM

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I have yet to see an 8 second street car like in hot rod this month with 4 doors.

This was in Hot Rod magazine, 8.752 @ 159.27. Conventional? No. 8 second 4 door in Hot Rod? Yes.

Good eye I stand corrected. There is also a nova wagon running 8s.

Posted By: dezduster

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 08:42 AM

The CHALLENGER WILL BE A MUCH BETTER PERFORMER THAN THE CHARGER. I dont know why but a hunch tells me so. Maybe some one could explain this to me.

Posted By: tommyg

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 02:51 PM

What about the rear? See pic.

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Posted By: Burt

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 03:39 PM

15 posts of the cover and not one mention of Tera Patrick? You guys are Pathetic

Posted By: IronYuppie

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 04:05 PM

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I AM FLYING THE BS FLAG . How much time and money was invested is disclosed where.

You can email Dale Seeley (www.lake-effect-racing.com) and tell him that his Stage 3 SRT-4 cost more to build than a Twin Turbo Prosche, a Viper, a Tube Chassis Ram, or the two modified Corvettes.

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My point was simply if a large 4 door car like the CHARGER was cut down to a 2 door(Challenger) using all same components/ platform and DESIGNED AS A 2 DOOR the 2 door WILL perform BETTER.

Your point was that 4 door cars can't be performance cars because they have 4 doors. I know this to be true because you are simultaneously arguing that an Evo and SRT-4 can't place in the top 10 unless they cost as much as a Porsche. Maybe you should argue that large cars such as the Challenger are a waste, because they are too big and heavy.

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Some of youre statement is true.

All of the statement was true.

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However you are still missing my point. If you use the same platform ,power train,HORSE POWER,suspension,and last but not least TIRES,The lighter vehichle built to the same specific structural standards WILL handle better.

Then you have a car that is either more expensive, or less profitable, because you built a new chassis to support a niche market. If you stay with an existing car, either you or the manufacturer can spend more money on the engine and suspension, and get the most performance for your dollar.

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Road course or drag race.That is the best way to solve this enigma.

Sure. We can race a similarly priced Challenger and Evo.

Posted By: Big Bad Bee

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 05:29 PM

Oh yes. It will be mine in B5/white SRT8 trim...

Posted By: Pat_Whalen

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 06:13 PM

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15 posts of the cover and not one mention of Tera Patrick? You guys are Pathetic

I didn't want to bring it up in fear that it would turn the thread mildly south and it'd get shutdown. But I did catch it

Posted By: InViolent

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 08:10 PM

Hey, for what it's worth, Eddie Alterman from MPH Magazine has requested that the cover image shown on this post be taken down. I guess he's concerned with DCX's possible reaction?
I had emailed him a few questions about the article, and he asked if there was anything I could do to help him avoid getting into any hot water about that cover image. I told him I would post a request, but also that I am powerless over this situation! LOL...anyway...8 page story in MPH due out January 10th.....

Posted By: MN-ScatPack

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 08:50 PM

Taking a quick look at that grille, I thought the R/T logo in the lower right corner was a Mustang logo

Posted By: KISSAlien

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 09:25 PM

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Hey, for what it's worth, Eddie Alterman from MPH Magazine has requested that the cover image shown on this post be taken down. I guess he's concerned with DCX's possible reaction?
I had emailed him a few questions about the article, and he asked if there was anything I could do to help him avoid getting into any hot water about that cover image. I told him I would post a request, but also that I am powerless over this situation! LOL...anyway...8 page story in MPH due out January 10th.....

The picture is all over the internet already. I know for a fact it is in the Autoweek forums too. If you do a Google search you can find it easily.

Posted By: Pat_Whalen

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 09:58 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Hey, for what it's worth, Eddie Alterman from MPH Magazine has requested that the cover image shown on this post be taken down. I guess he's concerned with DCX's possible reaction?
I had emailed him a few questions about the article, and he asked if there was anything I could do to help him avoid getting into any hot water about that cover image. I told him I would post a request, but also that I am powerless over this situation! LOL...anyway...8 page story in MPH due out January 10th.....

The picture is all over the internet already. I know for a fact it is in the Autoweek forums too. If you do a Google search you can find it easily.

doesn't mean we shouldn't try our best to oblige the guy.

Posted By: 69HemiGTX

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 09:59 PM

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15 posts of the cover and not one mention of Tera Patrick? You guys are Pathetic

I think I already covered that in my post. It's the last one on the tenth page.

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Oh yeah, I want to read the other cover story, and not for the car.

Posted By: KISSAlien

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 10:07 PM

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doesn't mean we shouldn't try our best to oblige the guy.

Who said it did?

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 10:10 PM

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The CHALLENGER WILL BE A MUCH BETTER PERFORMER THAN THE CHARGER. I dont know why but a hunch tells me so. Maybe some one could explain this to me.

Gee, I don't know. Maybe due to the smaller platform, and the lighter body which results?

Posted By: Big Bad Bee

Re: new Challenger? - 12/01/05 10:42 PM

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Hey, for what it's worth, Eddie Alterman from MPH Magazine has requested that the cover image shown on this post be taken down. I guess he's concerned with DCX's possible reaction?
I had emailed him a few questions about the article, and he asked if there was anything I could do to help him avoid getting into any hot water about that cover image. I told him I would post a request, but also that I am powerless over this situation! LOL...anyway...8 page story in MPH due out January 10th.....

Posted By: Big Bad Bee

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 01:01 AM

I have read almost all posts in this thread and scanned past the two door vs 4 door performance car stuff. Has anyone mentioned a possible NASCAR body???

OOOOOOOOoooooooooooh!

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 01:12 AM

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I have read almost all posts in this thread and scanned past the two door vs 4 door performance car stuff. Has anyone mentioned a possible NASCAR body???

OOOOOOOOoooooooooooh!

I thought that too, but I doubt it. The only reason I think theyd use it is because they say the Charger isnt too aerodynamic. But the recessed Challenger grill might be worse

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 01:12 AM

Quote:

Hey, for what it's worth, Eddie Alterman from MPH Magazine has requested that the cover image shown on this post be taken down. I guess he's concerned with DCX's possible reaction?
I had emailed him a few questions about the article, and he asked if there was anything I could do to help him avoid getting into any hot water about that cover image. I told him I would post a request, but also that I am powerless over this situation! LOL...anyway...8 page story in MPH due out January 10th.....

As you said... for what its worth, I went back to my post and pixelated the image to obliterate the Challenger image on the cover...

As I mention in my edited post I had no idea that MPH had not released the magazine already...

Once its loose on the Internet like it was when I found it, how do you get it back in Pandora's garage?

Did the guy from MPH indicate how he thought the image got out? Printing company maybe???

Or could someone from MPH have released the image early to raise sales of the issue... I know I will be buying a couple of copies (in disguise O'course...

).

XS

Posted By: MikeyT

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 01:52 AM

Umm I can't tell you what that picture has done to me, for fear of getting this thread blocked but I need to go clean up now. I know by hook or crook I'm going to land myslef in one of these and, that pictures almost brought tears to my eyes. I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas. Good god why do we have to wait until 2009 for this!

Mike

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 01:59 AM

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Umm I can't tell you what that picture has done to me, for fear of getting this thread blocked but I need to go clean up now. I know by hook or crook I'm going to land myslef in one of these and, that pictures almost brought tears to my eyes. I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas. Good god why do we have to wait until 2009 for this!

Mike

TMI!...TMI!

How about buying it in early 2007 as a 2008 model?...

Please spare us any details that scenario may have brought about...

Posted By: MikeyT

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 02:09 AM

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Quote:

Umm I can't tell you what that picture has done to me, for fear of getting this thread blocked but I need to go clean up now. I know by hook or crook I'm going to land myslef in one of these and, that pictures almost brought tears to my eyes. I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas. Good god why do we have to wait until 2009 for this!

Mike

TMI!...TMI!

How about buying it in early 2007 as a 2008 model?...

Please spare us any details that scenario may have brought about...

XS

I thought it was coming out in 09, you mean it will be out in 08? OPk I'll be quiet, I was honestly trying to be discreet really I was, just I'm so excited!!!

Mike

Posted By: 69superbee383

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 02:14 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Hey, for what it's worth, Eddie Alterman from MPH Magazine has requested that the cover image shown on this post be taken down. I guess he's concerned with DCX's possible reaction?
I had emailed him a few questions about the article, and he asked if there was anything I could do to help him avoid getting into any hot water about that cover image. I told him I would post a request, but also that I am powerless over this situation! LOL...anyway...8 page story in MPH due out January 10th.....

As you said... for what its worth, I went back to my post and pixelated the image to obliterate the Challenger image on the cover... As I mention in my edited post I had no idea that MPH had not released the magazine already... Once its loose on the Internet like it was when I found it, how do you get it back in Pandora's garage?

Did the guy from MPH indicate how he thought the image got out? Printing company maybe??? Or could someone from MPH have released the image early to raise sales of the issue... I know I will be buying a couple of copies (in disguise O'course... ).

XS

I had never even heard of that magazine before I saw the cover pics...but now I cant wait to get a copy of that edition. Doubt DCX can get too ticked off over it. Judging from the collective reaction here if that thing is close to production they have hit a home run this time.

Posted By: tommyg

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 02:19 AM

Pictures of the "real" concept have been out for weeks.

Look at the quote attached to this pic:

It doesn't take a Mopar man to see that the Challenger concept is nothing more than a modern version of its early '70s predecessors. (Photo courtesy of DaimlerChrysler AG)

Attached picture 2184138-08.dodge.challenger.f34.500.jpg

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Posted By: MonGoo$e

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 02:37 AM

I sent a message to Chrysler Customer Assistance saying how i saw these spy shots and i approve of such a car. I did so because well, someone should so that they'll be sure to make the thing. I got this reply:

Dear Adam,

Thank you for your recent email to DaimlerChrysler Motors Corporation.

Your email was received by the Customer Assistance Center and has been
forwarded to the appropriate Product Planning Department for their
attention.

We appreciate your comments. This referral action will provide the best
opportunity for review.

Thank you, again, for your email.

Sincerely,

Kara
Senior Staff Representative
DaimlerChrysler Customer Assistance Center

Posted By: dezduster

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 03:59 AM

MR ALL KNOWING YUPPIE
What I MEANT and how you understood it is two differant things.
HOWEVER IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THIS THREAD I WILL QUIT TRYING TO ARGUE MY POINT. I CAN SEE YOUARE A PERSON OF GREAT CONFIDENCE,INTELLIGENCE,KNOWLEDGE and all other DESIRABLE TRAITS.
SO NOW YOU ARE TELLING ME WHAT I AM THINKING! If you can read minds surley you know what I am telling you to go do. Good Day YUPPIE

Posted By: TC@HP2

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 04:29 AM

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Taking a quick look at that grille, I thought the R/T logo in the lower right corner was a Mustang logo

Only problem with that picture is that DCX doesn't do R/T anymore. It is all SRT now, so I'm obliged to say that is a photoshopped pic created from the spy photos.

Posted By: Pat_Whalen

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 04:33 AM

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MR ALL KNOWING YUPPIE
What I MEANT and how you understood it is two differant things.
HOWEVER IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THIS THREAD I WILL QUIT TRYING TO ARGUE MY POINT. I CAN SEE YOUARE A PERSON OF GREAT CONFIDENCE,INTELLIGENCE,KNOWLEDGE and all other DESIRABLE TRAITS.
SO NOW YOU ARE TELLING ME WHAT I AM THINKING! If you can read minds surley you know what I am telling you to go do. Good Day YUPPIE

Alright, thats enough. Let it just be said that you and the others in this thread that are babbling back and forth about something completely unrelated to this new vehicle are really ruining it for everyone else and i can only see this continuing until its locked. please drop it before it happens. thanks.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 04:34 AM

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Taking a quick look at that grille, I thought the R/T logo in the lower right corner was a Mustang logo

Only problem with that picture is that DCX doesn't do R/T anymore. It is all SRT now, so I'm obliged to say that is a photoshopped pic created from the spy photos.

Not true. There are R/T Stratus, Chargers, used to be R/T Neons.... R/T still is around. SRT is the top of the line, though.

Posted By: Detroit_Muscle

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 04:44 AM

HELL YES!!!!!

Build a convertible R/T model, add $4,000 to the sticker price, and I am all over it!! I will give them a deposit check at the NAIAS!!

To all the people who think the style is too retro, they are probably a buch of pansy ass Mustang Lovers who's fragile egos are shattered at the though of the mighty Mopar returning to make them eat a S**t sandwich!!

Put that in your pipe and smoke it....

GO MOPAR OR GO HOME!!!!

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Posted By: Detroit_Muscle

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 05:00 AM

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geez you guys are a bunch of winey snots. it is cool, yes...but it aint the end of the world. nations are not rising and falling over the re-release of a poor handling, ill built car. (that does look great)

let them build it, then complain.

I am certain that DCX will copy the exact suspension from the 1970-71 era to make it underperfom all vehicles in its class.

It has been over 35 years that Chrysler Enthusiasts have had something to get excited about, and the best you can do is call is us a bunch of "winey snots". Well son, I am pretty sure you are just a Mustang fan. (Please see post above)

This is a Mopar thing, and quite obviously you don't get it.

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 05:09 AM

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Only problem with that picture is that DCX doesn't do R/T anymore. It is all SRT now, so I'm obliged to say that is a photoshopped pic created from the spy photos.

Half of the Chargers at the local Dodge dealer are Charger R/Ts, not a single "SRT" to be found... The SRT8 versions are the top end peformance ones having the 6.1 Hemi instead of the 5.7 MDS Hemi the Charger R/T has.

Go check out the various versions offered at the Dodge website: http://www.dodge.com/charger/home_static.html

The spy pics ARE real, the magazine cover IS real... only the conspiracy theory has been photoshopped!

Posted By: 2fast4yourBrain

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 06:12 AM

If they make an SRT8 Challenger, who in their right minds would get an SRT8 Charger?

I just hope they make the 5.7L standard and do not DARE cheapen it by offering a "base" version w/a lousy V6! Feh!

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 06:29 AM

Quote:

If they make an SRT8 Challenger, who in their right minds would get an SRT8 Charger?

I just hope they make the 5.7L standard and do not DARE cheapen it by offering a "base" version w/a lousy V6! Feh!

You mean, like that "base" 318 Challenger you have?

Without the V-6, it will have minimal sales. Most of the Pony car sales come from the V-6 models. If you don't want the V-6, then buy a HEMI. Easy fix.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 08:00 AM

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Taking a quick look at that grille, I thought the R/T logo in the lower right corner was a Mustang logo

Only problem with that picture is that DCX doesn't do R/T anymore. It is all SRT now, so I'm obliged to say that is a photoshopped pic created from the spy photos.

You obviously dont know how photoshop works. This picture couldnt have been made from the spy shots, its a compelty different picture. Its one thing to photoshop an R/T badge, totally different to photoshop an entire car, at a different angle. And like said before, they do make R/T's

Quote:

If they make an SRT8 Challenger, who in their right minds would get an SRT8 Charger?

I just hope they make the 5.7L standard and do not DARE cheapen it by offering a "base" version w/a lousy V6! Feh!

Yah im sure Chrysler will love to lose out on millions of dollars so you can be happy that no one gets a V6 model.

Like I said before, I can care less what else they offer, as long as a HEMI and a 6 speed are on the option list.

Posted By: kmfdm

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 08:19 AM

I swear so many people here wont be happy unless they are complaining about something. Lets see hear:
-Awesome styling-check
-More power than most of us can deal with-check
-Most likely comparable in price to Mustang-check
-Everything we have been asking for from DCX for 30 years-check
BUT we still have people who will complain if someone wants one with a V-6. Do the slant-6's and 318 Challengers lessen anyones 440 or Hemi 70 Challenger? No of course not. So why is this a deal at all now? They do have to make money remember.
And how many times do people who know have to say that this is legit? Not just has DCX released a sketch, but almost every major automotive news source has run the story AND a reputable spy pic source delicered the pics. Some of the spy pics did look a little funny but thats only because a few people decided to lighten tha front end a little in photochop. Car Connection has the originals and the grill area is much darker because these were taken with a crappy camera. So to everyone who isnt convinced or has to complain, pinch yourself because this is no dream. Here is our car, so be ready to bust out that checkbook and get to your local Dodge dealer by at the latest 2007.

Posted By: MonGoo$e

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 09:33 AM

in order for this particular car to be successful (remember, compete with Mustang) it must have a V6 option..
Second, remember when the 70-71's and some 72 had the Slant Six as a Base? yes, everyones beloved 70-71..atleast i can tell people my 74 challenger had a V8 standard..

but really, the stangs come in a V6 and V8, and this is to fight Mustang in sales and time slips.

Some of you are being silly with the non-6 cylinder, Manual 6 speed only way of thinking. Car has to be made for everyone like the Mustang and Camaros were/will be.

Think, for the car to last, some people that are low on cash, or they are girls that want one but don't need the 8, like the car but can't afford it or don't want a V8..so they buy a v6 stang, one less Sale for the Dodge, x so many other similar cases...and the car won't last long.
thats my

Posted By: Jeff_T

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 10:47 AM

Good point about the V-6, most stang sales are the v-6. Hey if they do a 6 ill make sure my girlfriend gets one as well. As for me, I have already made up my mind and set up a seperate savings account for the "Challenger fund." I feel like I went back in time to 10 years before I was born with the Mustang/Challenger options out there. Its a dream come true.

Posted By: 1970GTX

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 12:12 PM

I have 440 Auto and 383 4sp cars. I would actually opt for the V6 option for better gas mileage as a daily driver.

I would dress it up as an RT with spoilers and stripes, so it will look like an RT, and still get 25mpg. Cheeeeap!

Posted By: InViolent

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 01:09 PM

Here is a direct quote from MPH Editor regarding the car they got to shoot for a day:

Quote:

The car we shot was a runner, but it wasn't the production car. It had lots of carbon-fiber panels and a concept interior-stuff to make it appear more "concept" than "production." But we have it on good authority that it will be produced. The car was designed to accommodate a convertible version, if that's any clue to how serious Dodge is about making it happen.

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 02:07 PM

Quote:

Here is a direct quote from MPH Editor regarding the car they got to shoot for a day:

Quote:

The car we shot was a runner, but it wasn't the production car. It had lots of carbon-fiber panels and a concept interior-stuff to make it appear more "concept" than "production." But we have it on good authority that it will be produced. The car was designed to accommodate a convertible version, if that's any clue to how serious Dodge is about making it happen.

Maybe the start of production will be in March of 2007 like some of the message board rumors claim. That would be a little later than was suggested to me, but within the same window.

Thanks for the additional information InViolent!

XS

Posted By: 2fast4yourBrain

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 03:04 PM

Quote:

in order for this particular car to be successful (remember, compete with Mustang) it must have a V6 option..
Second, remember when the 70-71's and some 72 had the Slant Six as a Base? yes, everyones beloved 70-71..atleast i can tell people my 74 challenger had a V8 standard..

but really, the stangs come in a V6 and V8, and this is to fight Mustang in sales and time slips.

Some of you are being silly with the non-6 cylinder, Manual 6 speed only way of thinking. Car has to be made for everyone like the Mustang and Camaros were/will be.

Think, for the car to last, some people that are low on cash, or they are girls that want one but don't need the 8, like the car but can't afford it or don't want a V8..so they buy a v6 stang, one less Sale for the Dodge, x so many other similar cases...and the car won't last long.
thats my

I don't see it.

The Mustang has tons of cross-over with women who have always like Mustangs and are just fine w/a lowly V6.

The Challenger is a MANLY car and will NOT generate sales nowhere NEAR that of a Moostang b/c it will have hardly much appeal to women.

The Challenger needs to go head to head with the GTO, not the Mustang. GTO comes standard with the LS2 V8. Sure the GTO doesn't garner much sales, but that's b/c it's surrounded in a Cavalier body.

Hence, even though MY car came w/a 318, that was 1970 folks. Different times, different market where anything two-door will sell.

Two-doors are pretty tough to sell these days so you need a different strategy.

Posted By: Not_A_Duster

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 04:11 PM

Ummm.

I can see lots of folks who have to do 30 - 60 mile commutes to work every day wanting the styling offered by the Challenger coupled with something that offers better fuel mileage than the hemi.

Also - As someone said, this ain't 1970 anymore. 6 cylinder engines are not necesarily the stodgy old low-RPM stump-pullers they used to be. I've driven both the V8 GT mustang as well as the 6 and I gotta say, the 6 is a suprisingly healthy little engine. Can't see why a V6 offered by chrysler would be any less engine.

The bottom line is that as much as people with deep pockets would like to keep it a specialty car, DC has to offer a mass-market version for guys like me to be able to afford the muscle version.

Otherwise, it's just gonna be another toy for the priviledged few. Like the viper.

Posted By: DirectSubjection

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 04:20 PM

Wow - I thought you were kidding in your other post.

V6 models will outsell V8 ones probably 10 to 1 so they'd be silly not to offer it as an option. If they didn't the Challenger would be a bust sales-wise.

Quote:

Two-doors are pretty tough to sell these days so you need a different strategy.

By creating yet another tiny niche car?

Posted By: 2fast4yourBrain

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 04:33 PM

If they can keep the weight of this Challenger under 3600 lbs, then perhaps a V6 wouldn't bee too bad.

If it's built on the same chassis as the heavy arse Magnum, 300c, and Charger...I don't hold too much hope.

Again, you're comparing to a lightweight (somewhat) V6 Mustang.

Hell, I don't really care either way. They can put a four-banger in the base; I'm sure someone will buy it.

Look at the current sales of the 300c and Charger. WAY MORE are sold w/the 5.7L (don't include rental fleets).

Posted By: Not_A_Duster

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 04:45 PM

ragtop:

If this car is successful, not everybody who buys this car will be doing so for neck-snapping performance.

That's important to folks like you and me, but if this things going to fly, it can't be just a "he-man's" car - secretaries and clerks and so on have to be purchasing milder versions of the car.

...Unless you are prepared to pay $50K plus for an "exclusive" musclecar. I know I'm sure not in that league.

Posted By: IronYuppie

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 04:49 PM

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MR ALL KNOWING YUPPIE
What I MEANT and how you understood it is two differant things...SO NOW YOU ARE TELLING ME WHAT I AM THINKING! If you can read minds surley you know what I am telling you to go do.

What you meant and what you said is that the notion of a reasonably priced and competitive 4 door is "Bull Poop" (to use a non censorable term). I do not like to be called a distributor of "Bull Poop," nor do I like it when someone contradicts themselves as they do it.

Posted By: Big Bad Bee

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 05:32 PM

Wow! Tom took the RPM Pix away! I guess it was a kind jesture, but that was a bit like rearranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic. Me thinks it's too late. Glad I saved a copy.

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 05:38 PM

Quote:

Wow! Tom took the RPM Pix away! I guess it was a kind jesture, but that was a bit like rearranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic. Me thinks it's too late. Glad I saved a copy.

shanker posted the same cover shot in another thread... I guess he did not know that Tom took the pictures off...

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 06:38 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Wow! Tom took the RPM Pix away! I guess it was a kind jesture, but that was a bit like rearranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic. Me thinks it's too late. Glad I saved a copy.

shanker posted the same cover shot in another thread... I guess he did not know that Tom took the pictures off...

XS

I saved a copy too, as pages tend to go "missing" on the internet.

In related news, sales of the Charger and the other LX cars remain strong (LX Forums). That's surely a good sign that the Challenger will get the green light for production. Maybe with all the excitement being generated about the Challenger, they'll move ahead production of it? Oh, I can wish.

Posted By: 69superbee383

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 07:00 PM

Without a 6 banger Challenger where will people get their parts cars 30 years from now and more importantly if everyone has a Hemi how will they establish their " I have the best car " pecking order?

Posted By: shakerjoe

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 07:04 PM

todays Newsday here in NY

Attached picture 2185766-challynews.jpg

Posted By: Jeff_T

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 07:54 PM

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todays Newsday here in NY

Sounds like it will be earlier then we think!!! Crap, I thought I had a few years to save.....anyone want a 72/70 clone Cuda project?????

Posted By: moparts

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 07:54 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Wow! Tom took the RPM Pix away! I guess it was a kind jesture, but that was a bit like rearranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic. Me thinks it's too late. Glad I saved a copy.

shanker posted the same cover shot in another thread... I guess he did not know that Tom took the pictures off...

XS

YES, and please do not post it again, The cover had a Jan 10th date and not before.

The magazine is tring to recover from the early release and asked that it be removed until then.

But nothing wrong with posting the other spy pictures

Posted By: 69 Road Runner

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 08:41 PM

Quote:

Without a 6 banger Challenger where will people get their parts cars 30 years from now and more importantly if everyone has a Hemi how will they establish their " I have the best car " pecking order?

30 years from now it will be impossible to get all the computer stuff working, so that won't be an issue.

Posted By: Quikshft

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 09:21 PM

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todays Newsday here in NY

That was the first I've read that said SIX SPEED! I'm happy now.

Posted By: MonGoo$e

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 09:29 PM

hmm, maybe in 30 years we can pull all that out and put in old school stuff in, cept the 100 point resto guys will be killing themselves to get the computers working..lol

Posted By: beerwolf

Re: new Challenger? - 12/02/05 10:54 PM

What about NASCAR? The Charger seems to be down on aerodynamics. Will The Chally be a better car?? Also to the person who I believe stated the Cally should go up against the GTO. The GTO was built not to be retro but forward thinking. It was built to compete with the BMW \ Lexus.Sales are poor. Build the Chally,base 6 cylinder with optional HEMI's . This will give thse of us with short pockets something to start with and in 10 years when our kids are old enough to drive,we can transplant a HEMI with our kids.

Posted By: Big Bad Bee

Re: new Challenger? - 12/03/05 01:22 AM

I believe that the GTO's closest competitor is

At least they look alike and are about the same price per pound.

Posted By: 2fast4yourBrain

Re: new Challenger? - 12/03/05 01:28 AM

Quote:

Without a 6 banger Challenger where will people get their parts cars 30 years from now and more importantly if everyone has a Hemi how will they establish their " I have the best car " pecking order?

Don't forget, there are TWO hemis out now: 5.7L and 6.1L. Maybe by 2007, the 6.4L may go into the Challenger. Doubtful though as a 510hp Hemi will then have more HP than the 505HP Viper V-10.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 12/03/05 04:05 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Without a 6 banger Challenger where will people get their parts cars 30 years from now and more importantly if everyone has a Hemi how will they establish their " I have the best car " pecking order?

Don't forget, there are TWO hemis out now: 5.7L and 6.1L. Maybe by 2007, the 6.4L may go into the Challenger. Doubtful though as a 510hp Hemi will then have more HP than the 505HP Viper V-10.

I hope by 2007 the Viper has more than 505, cause the Vettes sure will, hell they already do

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 12/03/05 04:34 AM

Quote:

The Challenger needs to go head to head with the GTO

Yea, and if they do that, it will have the sales to match.

The GTO is NOT a Pony car. DCX has NOT stated it will go head to head with the GTO. It WILL be facing the Mustang, and as such, needs to be comparable. Which means it needs a lowly V-6 option. What difference does it make, if some of them come with a V-6? Doesn't make your car any slower, does it?

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 12/03/05 04:37 AM

Quote:

Look at the current sales of the 300c and Charger. WAY MORE are sold w/the 5.7L (don't include rental fleets).

Not from what I've seen. I've only seen ONE R/T on the road. I've seen 4 SE or SXTs, though.

Posted By: mr_340

Re: new Challenger? - 12/03/05 04:52 AM

No word of an automatic? How is anyone going to run A/SA with a Hemi Challenger (would really fit into A/FIA, but close enough)? I wonder if Fred Henson has one on order yet? I hate to think how much a Pro-Trans 5-speed auto and converter would cost.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 12/03/05 08:07 PM

Couldn't agree more, I am only 17, i have an oroginal mopar, but the thought of owning a new challenger or any mopar for that matter as a daily driver is an awesome thought!

Posted By: 1970GTX

Re: new Challenger? - 12/03/05 11:20 PM

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Couldn't agree more, I am only 17, i have an oroginal mopar, but the thought of owning a new challenger or any mopar for that matter as a daily driver is an awesome thought!

Welcome to the board 68Sat

This just made me think of the younger guys/girls out there that might not ever be able to afford that original 66-71 Hemi car. They now have a change to pick up the used 07? Challengers, and possibly even a new one.

Posted By: PlumCrazy73Dodge

Re: new Challenger? - 12/05/05 05:22 AM

Well I was at work this weekend and a guy came in with a brand new viper, worked, 625hp he said at the dyno last time he went. I told him i had a couple old school dodges and he said yes, I was invited to the challenger unveil at a show and he said he saw the concept and it looked great. Any other word on this show that happened, I found it to be great news. Mike

Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: new Challenger? - 12/05/05 06:57 AM

Quote:

The GTO is NOT a Pony car. DCX has NOT stated it will go head to head with the GTO. It WILL be facing the Mustang, and as such, needs to be comparable. Which means it needs a lowly V-6 option. What difference does it make, if some of them come with a V-6? Doesn't make your car any slower, does it?

How is a 116" LY platform Challenger any more a pony car than a GTO?? I bet you it will weigh more than a GTO.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 12/05/05 07:03 AM

Quote:

Quote:

The GTO is NOT a Pony car. DCX has NOT stated it will go head to head with the GTO. It WILL be facing the Mustang, and as such, needs to be comparable. Which means it needs a lowly V-6 option. What difference does it make, if some of them come with a V-6? Doesn't make your car any slower, does it?

How is a 116" LY platform Challenger any more a pony car than a GTO?? I bet you it will weigh more than a GTO.

Pony cars have a V-8 option, but also have a smaller engine option, as well. V-6, straight 6, 4 cylinder. The reason being, so that they are more affordable to the masses. The GTO has only one engine. The LS1. Putting it out of reach of high school/college students. Which is a major market for Pony cars.

I don't believe the GTO has the right charactoristics for a true Pony car, either. Maybe it's just me, but it seems more Muscle than Pony.

Posted By: Locomotion

Re: new Challenger? - 12/05/05 05:03 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Without a 6 banger Challenger where will people get their parts cars 30 years from now and more importantly if everyone has a Hemi how will they establish their " I have the best car " pecking order?

Don't forget, there are TWO hemis out now: 5.7L and 6.1L. Maybe by 2007, the 6.4L may go into the Challenger. Doubtful though as a 510hp Hemi will then have more HP than the 505HP Viper V-10.

Check out what they said about the 392 Hemi.
New hemi info.
* Note the misprint where "historic 392 horsepower" should read "historic 392 cubic inches".

This is gonna be good! But at over 500HP, I don't think it will fit into the existing weight breaks in NHRA and IHRA Stock!

Posted By: MikeP

Re: new Challenger? - 12/05/05 07:46 PM

Quote:

Pony cars have a V-8 option, but also have a smaller engine option, as well. V-6, straight 6, 4 cylinder. The reason being, so that they are more affordable to the masses. The GTO has only one engine. The LS1. Putting it out of reach of high school/college students. Which is a major market for Pony cars.

Any reason DCX can't offer a V6 hemi? Just lop off 2 cylinders ~ to the 3.9L v6?

Posted By: MonGoo$e

Re: new Challenger? - 12/05/05 08:16 PM

i think the 3.9 was replaced by the 3.7

Posted By: clownzilla

Re: new Challenger? - 12/05/05 10:05 PM

Somebody mentioned on the first page of this thread that no women would buy a challenger over a mustang.
Well my wife and I both like the new mustangs, but she is not even remotely interested in mopars or any car for that matter in most cases she thinks cars all look alike.
well she saw the new challenger pics and said "I want one of theese".
I explained to her that if she were to get one ,make sure it is orange and is loaded with every performance option available.
I told her that if you're going to play, play hard.
Also collectibility always favors the more highly optioned vehicles, plus ,I get to drive it right?
She says, "no ,you've got your street ,strip barracuda to play with, this one will be all mine."
I will make sure that is negotiable.
The only thing that worries me is price since chrysler wants to distance itself from ford and GM, so reading between the lines makes me feel that the challenger is going to be a pretty hefty chunk of change.

Posted By: MN-ScatPack

Re: new Challenger? - 12/05/05 10:30 PM

Quote:

Somebody mentioned on the first page of this thread that no women would buy a challenger over a mustang.
Well my wife and I both like the new mustangs, but she is not even remotely interested in mopars or any car for that matter in most cases she thinks cars all look alike.
well she saw the new challenger pics and said "I want one of theese".
I explained to her that if she were to get one ,make sure it is orange and is loaded with every performance option available.
I told her that if you're going to play, play hard.
Also collectibility always favors the more highly optioned vehicles, plus ,I get to drive it right?
She says, "no ,you've got your street ,strip barracuda to play with, this one will be all mine."
I will make sure that is negotiable.
The only thing that worries me is price since chrysler wants to distance itself from ford and GM, so reading between the lines makes me feel that the challenger is going to be a pretty hefty chunk of change.

Same here. My wife and I were going to buy a new 2006 Mustang convert, but now she wants to wait until the Challenger convert is available.
I love my wife!

Posted By: Brian_wo

Re: new Challenger? - 12/06/05 01:54 AM

same old

Posted By: TheHemi

Re: new Challenger? - 12/06/05 04:03 PM

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Without a 6 banger Challenger where will people get their parts cars 30 years from now

We live in a disposable world, I doubt they're worrying about what's going to happen in 30 years. If the cars last beyond the extended warranties, that's all people care about these days. Of course they're going to make a 6. If they target only the HEMI market they're asking for short sales that aren't going to cover production costs.

Posted By: Davews

Re: new Challenger? - 12/06/05 06:57 PM

Nice car alright , to bad DC is going to limit production next year to only 10k to 15k units...$ Profit $

Posted By: Jeff_T

Re: new Challenger? - 12/07/05 04:03 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Without a 6 banger Challenger where will people get their parts cars 30 years from now

We live in a disposable world, I doubt they're worrying about what's going to happen in 30 years. If the cars last beyond the extended warranties, that's all people care about these days. Of course they're going to make a 6. If they target only the HEMI market they're asking for short sales that aren't going to cover production costs.

At least they have RUSTPROOFING and the trunks and quarters will last beyond 2-3 years

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: new Challenger? - 12/07/05 05:00 PM

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same old

hey , do i know you ?

Posted By: xs29j8

Re: new Challenger? - 12/08/05 11:04 PM

Quote:

YES, and please do not post it again, The cover had a Jan 10th date and not before.

The magazine is tring to recover from the early release and asked that it be removed until then.

But nothing wrong with posting the other spy pictures

Judging by this quote of an apparent reaction from a DCX PR Rep, I guess DCX is not too upset by the spy photos... Assuming this quote is legit, sounds like a plan coming together... Bottom line folks, DCX is listening for reaction already and needs to be deluged with positive responses if you want this Retro musclecar... Write now, write often!

XS

Reported quote from DCX found on LXForums (not sure it is legit):

Quote:

December 6, 2005

Drool Days

Posted Dec 6, 2005, 2:38 PM by Editor
Category: Dodge

We haven�t seen such excitement over a car since the Chrysler 300 knocked the competition on its collective rear quarter panels. Still a month before we take the wraps off the Dodge Challenger concept vehicle at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit, there�s no holding back the groundswell demanding we build a production version of the sucker. And that�s just after a sketch we released and some muddy spy photos that have filtered out! Imagine the roar once the real thing makes its debut.
As proof of the clamor for the Challenger, Ken Juran, online automotive editor at Popular Mechanics, called our attention to the passion expressed by the magazine�s online readers.
Here�s a sampling:

*That is the hottest thing that came from Detroit since the muscle car era ended in the early 1970s...please build it, I am so sick of Mustangs being the only pony cars now.
*Dodge needs to come out with one of these with the 6.1 Hemi so we can go mop up those lousy Fords. Final word: Love it and please build it.
*Market the Challenger as a 2- door sporty car just like the Mustang. DC has more than enough four- door cars for people with families.
*Love this car!!! I just hope that the production apple doesn't fall far from the concept tree.
*It's time to give us what we want. This is what we want DODGE!!!!
*Finally!!! The car I have been waiting for my whole life....
*Dodge should do one thing that Ford refuses to do - make the back seat accommodate 3 people.
*MUY BUENA, EXCELENTE !!!!
*Guys check out www.allpar.com for the spy photos...oh my god...i need to change pants
*Sex on wheels
*This is where the HEMI belongs!! I WANT ONE BAAAAAAAAAAD!

Posted By: donbarnes

Re: new Challenger? - 12/09/05 04:08 PM

If they can stuff a V10 in a Ram, they could do it to this car after a couple years of production-You know, make about eleven V10 convertibles

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 12/13/05 01:21 AM

I can't wait,I will order one the sec they will take orders,What a great race car this is going make.

Posted By: POZEST

Re: new Challenger? - 12/13/05 07:03 AM

Posted By: scoutsr2

Re: new Challenger? - 12/14/05 12:06 AM

If you build it they will come.....

common sense dictates the the car be built with a multiple of engine choices. With a v-6 option this car could become the most popular car in the country all the while having a big brother HEMI to maintain street credibility and respect.

Posted By: origcharger

Re: new Challenger? - 12/14/05 02:03 AM

Define "popular"

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 12/14/05 04:56 AM

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Define "popular"

"Popular" Dictionary says "2 door Challenger"

Posted By: KISSAlien

Re: new Challenger? - 12/14/05 02:52 PM

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Gotta agree. I almost choked on my coffee when I read the original post. Mustang sales have nothing to fear from this car. Let alone Camry/Accord level sales.

Posted By: IronYuppie

Re: new Challenger? - 12/14/05 04:06 PM

I predict popular with magazines, message boards, and trade shows, while being generally unpopular with buyers.

Posted By: ZIPPY

Re: new Challenger? - 12/14/05 04:41 PM

I'll take the V6 model, drive it until the driveline blows up/electronics freak out (whichever comes first), rip the driveline and 14 miles of wire out, throw it all in the dumpster, and put a 440/727/Dana 60 in it like it should have had to begin with.

Posted By: challenger70

Re: new Challenger? - 12/14/05 04:44 PM

I hope if they build it, enough get bought to make it prudent to keep it in production , but not to the point where everyone has one making it still a "treat" to see on the road.

Posted By: 1970GTX

Re: new Challenger? - 12/14/05 09:07 PM

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I'll take the V6 model, drive it until the driveline blows up/electronics freak out (whichever comes first), rip the driveline and 14 miles of wire out, throw it all in the dumpster, and put a 440/727/Dana 60 in it like it should have had to begin with.

First the green 4 dr, C body resto, now this. I like the way you think ZIPPY.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: new Challenger? - 12/15/05 08:55 AM

Quote-O-Mustang Forums member...
By the time 2010 comes around with the way gas is now, the challenger is going to have a 4 cyl, or v6 in it. Like it or not it seems the HP wars are coming to an end.

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Haha! I just had to laugh and post that here when I read it. He must not have seen ANYTHING that has come out of Detroit, Europe, OR Japan in the past few years. If anything, the horse power war is stronger than it was in the past with cars in every area competing for performance. When you have companies with sub 14 second 4 bangers competing with each other, not to mention V8 powered monsters that are in the 12's stock, the modern horsepower wars are hardly coming to a close.

Posted By: Weldtech

Re: new Challenger? - 12/15/05 05:17 PM

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Quote-O-Mustang Forums member...
By the time 2010 comes around with the way gas is now, the challenger is going to have a 4 cyl, or v6 in it. Like it or not it seems the HP wars are coming to an end.

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Haha! I just had to laugh and post that here when I read it. He must not have seen ANYTHING that has come out of Detroit, Europe, OR Japan in the past few years. If anything, the horse power war is stronger than it was in the past with cars in every area competing for performance. When you have companies with sub 14 second 4 bangers competing with each other, not to mention V8 powered monsters that are in the 12's stock, the modern horsepower wars are hardly coming to a close.

I don't know, maybe it could come true?

It sounds almost like it could be a repeat of the late 60's doesn't it, the Challenger coming on the scene at the end, again...

But maybe that will be good for future generations as they could find unrestored "survivors", (and yes I mean survivors, take that Bloomington or whatever...) that were ordered with a Hemi but the owners could not afford to drive them...

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