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disc brake spindle question - b body #183066
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what spindles are correct for converting 70 b-body to disc brakes?

disc spindles are from 73+ b-body

are all b-body spindles the same?

what is the best way to convert b-body to disc brake using factory parts?

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Re: disc brake spindle question - b body [Re: 340duster340] #183067
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Sounds like you already have a good set of spindles. All the parts for the 73-74 Charger should work great for you. These spindles are slightly taller but there's no issue with using them in your application. Just make sure you use a matching master cylinder (for disk brakes) and an adjustable proportioning valve in the rear brake line.


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thanks, a few other quick questions:

can someone school me on the a vs. b vs. e body spindle?

are all b spindles the same? and can a/e interchange with b?

also what years are in play here?

thanks!


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Re: disc brake spindle question - b body [Re: 340duster340] #183069
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70/2 B/E spindles and brakes are the same.
73/4 B are different. Taller spindle, larger bearings and different caliper mounting.
73/4 E spindles are the same as 70/2 but have larger bearings.
A body have shorter spindles than B and E.


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Re: disc brake spindle question - b body [Re: moparmarks] #183070
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70/2 B/E spindles and brakes are the same.
73/4 B are different. Taller spindle, larger bearings and different caliper mounting.
73/4 E spindles are the same as 70/2 but have larger bearings.
A body have shorter spindles than B and E.




When you say " 73/4 B are different. Taller spindle, larger bearings and different caliper mounting" are you referring to slider vs. pin type caliper mount?

Re: disc brake spindle question - b body [Re: moparmarks] #183071
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'73-'76 A-body disc knuckles ARE '73-'74 E-body units.

All those knuckles are the same height except the '73 and newer B/F/M/J/R body stuff.

Caliper bracket mounting holes are the same on all knuckles listed.

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70/2 the caliper mounts on the back of the spindle and 73/4 it mounts on the front. Can't remember for sure if 73/4 is the pin style like 70/2 but I think it is.


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'73-'76 A-body disc knuckles ARE '73-'74 E-body units.




Was thinking that A's were shorter but guess not.


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Re: disc brake spindle question - b body [Re: moparmarks] #183074
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Caliper mount holes are the same on all knuckles. The (tall) knuckles are just swapped left to right on the newer B,F,M,J,R bodies.

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Caliper mount holes are the same on all knuckles. The (tall) knuckles are just swapped left to right on the newer B,F,M,J,R bodies.




So you can just swap sides to have rear mount calipers?


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Yes, I run the caliper mounts toward the rear when using '73 and newer disc brakes on a car equipped with a pre '70 sway bar. This requires custom length hoses, however.

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'73-'76 A-body disc knuckles ARE '73-'74 E-body units.

All those knuckles are the same height except the '73 and newer B/F/M/J/R body stuff.





thanks everyone who has replied, this has been very helpful.

regarding the above comment, does the height of "B" body spindle change from 70-2 and 73+?

i have the 73+ spindles and want to confirm want to confirm that they will be a direct replacement for the 70-2 "B" drum spindle.
thanks, mike


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The 73 spindles are "Taller" if they are from a B body car.

4922286-SpindleHeight.jpg (239 downloads)

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The 73 spindles are "Taller" if they are from a B body car.




If you use a taller spindle, does it effect wheel size, 14" or 15" or does that only come into play when deciding which size rotor you want to use?

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The '73 Charger SE I had came from the factory with 14" wheels.

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If you use a taller spindle, does it effect wheel size, 14" or 15" or does that only come into play when deciding which size rotor you want to use?




You need to use 15 inch wheels if you use the 11 3/4 inch diameter rotors.
Then you would need the larger caliper mounts from the later 70's Cordobas, Magnums, St. Regis, Furys,Chargers, whether they are the pin type, or slider type.
Just depends on what type of caliper that you want to use.


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So who do we believe on the 73 up B body spindles, I have heard they can be dangerous with an earlier car swap.


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So who do we believe on the 73 up B body spindles, I have heard they can be dangerous with an earlier car swap.




I’m going with Richard Ehrenberg’s opinion which is dead set against using the taller spindles on pre-73 B-bodies. Some say it is not necessary, but I rather error on the side of factory suspension geometry than not.

Remember, this is Richard Ehrenberg of the “Green Brick” fame. He knows how to set up a Mopar suspension for performance.

Read more at this Mopar Action Tech article:Disc-O-Tech

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So who do we believe on the 73 up B body spindles, I have heard they can be dangerous with an earlier car swap.




73 up F,M,J and B are fine for the swap.
Where did you "hear" it was dangerous? Have you ever actually known of someone having issues with the swap? I havent and neither has anyone I know who has done it or knows someone else who has. You'd think if it was such a dangerous thing it would be well documented with accident reports and such, but its not. Go figure
I'm working on another brake swap in the shop now, a 74 Satellite disc set-up installed on a 72 Demon

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