650 HP street car?????
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OK heres what I would like to do, or have done by an expert! Ultimately I would like to have a 650 hp street car that will run on pump gas and I can have fun at the track few time a year. I dont want something I'm going to have to turn a wrench on every weekend just a good solid built motor. Is this too much to ask???? I would like to start with a 400 R block and have it stroked to 511??? What I need from you guys is your opinions on what internals I need for a strong ,good build from top to bottom! I really need my 62 Savoy to rock and kick Chebby A$$'s I'm having a midlife crisis
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Re: 650 HP street car?????
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You are into the territory where you need to talk with someone like DRAM. Your HP requirements are close to what mine are for the Superbee. You will be looking at forged crank, Manley H rods, Diamond pistons and a basic stroker setup. I believe he is setting my engine up for about 10.75-1 compression running E-heads so it will run on pump gas. On the top end I am going with a roller hydraulic setup. The engine has not been dyno'd yet but DRAM's best guess is 630 engine HP. You can go more but things start to get a lot pricier and engine life is affected. Look to spend about 10k+ for this type of setup.
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Re: 650 HP street car?????
[Re: 1962Savoy]
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Just a though, but how many tanks of gas are you going to burn through this thing a month? Maybe one? For about $32 to $40 more a month, you can run a high quench, 12.5 or 13 to 1 compression motor. That's about a buck a day to add 4 or 5 gallons of race fuel to a tank of unleaded pump gas. Works for me with 680 hp in a low maintenance 493" sixpack motor that doesn't need to rev past 5500 rpm to do it.
There's nothing like high compression in a big block Mopar, especially in a stroker.
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Re: 650 HP street car?????
[Re: klunick]
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You are into the territory where you need to talk with someone like DRAM. Your HP requirements are close to what mine are for the Superbee. You will be looking at forged crank, Manley H rods, Diamond pistons and a basic stroker setup. I believe he is setting my engine up for about 10.75-1 compression running E-heads so it will run on pump gas. On the top end I am going with a roller hydraulic setup. The engine has not been dyno'd yet but DRAM's best guess is 630 engine HP. You can go more but things start to get a lot pricier and engine life is affected. Look to spend about 10k+ for this type of setup.
Who is DRAM??? I know 10G's+ is were I will be and I dont really mine turning a wrench when needed. I was just trying to get a low maintanace motor and to see what others are using
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Re: 650 HP street car?????
[Re: AndyF]
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01/02/09 03:22 PM
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It is easy to make 650 hp, the hard part is doing it in a combination that doesn't require much maintenance. A hyd roller cam is probably the way to go for low maint, but you'll pay a price in terms of power output.
A low deck 512 with CNC ported std port heads (Edelbrock, Mopar Performnce 452, etc) will get you close to 650 hp with the right cam and compression but the motor is a balancing act. Give the guys at Best Machine in MI a call, they can build you what you need.
Thanks Andy! I have been in touch with Best but they must be busy I asked Chuck for some info but havent received anything yet. I defintaly want to go with a rollewr cam and I think a bottom end girdle as well just to be on the safe side of things.
If you had to build one what would you use????
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Re: 650 HP street car?????
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01/02/09 05:47 PM
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OK heres what I would like to do, or have done by an expert! Ultimately I would like to have a 650 hp street car that will run on pump gas and I can have fun at the track few time a year. I dont want something I'm going to have to turn a wrench on every weekend just a good solid built motor. Is this too much to ask????
I would like to start with a 400 R block and have it stroked to 511??? What I need from you guys is your opinions on what internals I need for a strong ,good build from top to bottom!
I really need my 62 Savoy to rock and kick Chebby A$$'s I'm having a midlife crisis
PM me. I did a 493 that made 630HP/652 torque with E heads and it ran 10.81 in a street/strip 74 Charger.
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Re: 650 HP street car?????
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PM me. I did a 493 that made 630HP/652 torque with E heads and it ran 10.81 in a street/strip 74 Charger.
Nice combo! Can you post the details of the build?
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Re: 650 HP street car?????
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Here's my 517 (4.375" bore B motor, 4.30" stroke)...it's got some pretty killer heads and a hydraulic roller but I can assure you it's perfectly streetable at the 700hp range. I cruise in traffic all the time, never runs hot, never loads up, razor sharp throttle response and great street manners are 100% required whenever I do a motor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd8GeXYYkKU&feature=channel_pageso 650 is perfectly doable....so long as you build from a solid foundation of a wise selection of parts, excellent machine work and careful assembly. (A top notch cooling system is a must too for those days when you get caught in a summer traffic jam). With the right cam, compression inductio nad stall/gearing it can be perfectly docile and tractible in street traffic....but whenever you nail it....all will break loose!!
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How fast do you want to go if you dont mind me asking ? I only ask because my very mild 440 is putting out around 500 flywheel hp and runs mid 11's at 3700 lbs. If I had 650 HP with the right torque I feel I could run mid 10's. What I mean is a nice 650 hp stroker should push your 62 to easy mid 10's with a decent suspension and the right gear. Ron
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Re: 650 HP street car?????
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Here's my 517 (4.375" bore B motor, 4.30" stroke)...it's got some pretty killer heads and a hydraulic roller but I can assure you it's perfectly streetable at the 700hp range. I cruise in traffic all the time, never runs hot, never loads up, razor sharp throttle response and great street manners are 100% required whenever I do a motor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd8GeXYYkKU&feature=channel_page
so 650 is perfectly doable....so long as you build from a solid foundation of a wise selection of parts, excellent machine work and careful assembly. (A top notch cooling system is a must too for those days when you get caught in a summer traffic jam). With the right cam, compression inductio nad stall/gearing it can be perfectly docile and tractible in street traffic....but whenever you nail it....all will break loose!!
Streetwize, that is SWEEET!!! I'd like 550HP at least
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Re: 650 HP street car?????
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01/03/09 11:40 AM
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PM me. I did a 493 that made 630HP/652 torque with E heads and it ran 10.81 in a street/strip 74 Charger.
Nice combo! Can you post the details of the build?
Certainly. It's been a few years, but here goes:
Mega Block (4.375 bore X 4.15 stroke) E-Heads (performers). with back cut valves and mild clean up of ports Ross flat top pistons (block decked for zero deck height) 11.2:1 compression Comp cams .650 lift mechanical roller (off the shelf piece). Only maintenance was valve springs after 3 years of running and checking lifters. Eagle H-beam rods Victor intake with welded and blended 4500 adaptor Holly 1050 list 8896-2 2" X 3.5" headers
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Re: 650 HP street car?????
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How fast do you want to go if you dont mind me asking ? I only ask because my very mild 440 is putting out around 500 flywheel hp and runs mid 11's at 3700 lbs. If I had 650 HP with the right torque I feel I could run mid 10's. What I mean is a nice 650 hp stroker should push your 62 to easy mid 10's with a decent suspension and the right gear. Ron
I'm with Ron with this. I'm always curious when a guy wants XXX hp.
You can get to 650 hp different ways. But how you get there will be somewhat dependent on your "steetable" criteria and level of wrench turning that you are willing to do.
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Re: 650 HP street car?????
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be carefull what you wish for. yes, you can build a maintence free 511 that makes 650hp. but is the rest of the car up to the task? you may not be turning wrenches on the engine but i assure you that you will be turning them somewhere. if your car isnt ready, you will be disappointed in its performance and have your butt handed to you be a chevy making 400 hp
Yup. A well set-up car can really make the difference.What does your '62 have done to it, to make sure that +600hp isn't going to take and put your drive shaft into orbit and hurt the heck out of the floor boards?
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Re: 650 HP street car?????
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be carefull what you wish for. yes, you can build a maintence free 511 that makes 650hp. but is the rest of the car up to the task? you may not be turning wrenches on the engine but i assure you that you will be turning them somewhere. if your car isnt ready, you will be disappointed in its performance and have your butt handed to you be a chevy making 400 hp
Yup. A well set-up car can really make the difference.What does your '62 have done to it, to make sure that +600hp isn't going to take and put your drive shaft into orbit and hurt the heck out of the floor boards?
I can't describe the reaction I felt from Wize's video on a family site....anyway... I would do anything for a motor like that..... But your point on the whole car working is close to me in that I watch a local guy here with a very simply built very clean Duster with a 360 that just put's it on guy after guy with their radical HP motors. But the thing leaves like a rocket, doesn't spin, doesn't break, He shuts it off, doesn't touch it for a week, gets in it and does it again. It just plain makes a lot of those guys upset, Chevy, Ford or Mopar. He does it all the time......That being said......I'm gonna go watch Wize's vid again and check to see how much room I have on my credit card......
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