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ATF in 4 spd. #178372 12/29/08 08:41 PM 12/29/08 08:41 PM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 390 pacific northwest W wings471 OP enthusiast
wings471 OP enthusiast W Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 390 pacific northwest	I have a fresh rebuilt A-833 that has 85w gear oil in it. The synchros don't seem to be engaging as well as I think they should. Will it make enough of a difference if I drain the gear oil and replace it with ATF. I have been told the synchros will grab better and that ATF is what was originally in the units from the factory. Thanks..ever-so for your input. http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm136/wings440/P8050125-1.jpg "Uhmmmm......I got nuthin'."

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: wings471] #178373 12/29/08 09:02 PM 12/29/08 09:02 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,822 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,822 Kirkland, Washington	Use a GL-4 rated gear oil, not ATF, not GL-5. my $.02

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #178374 12/29/08 09:20 PM 12/29/08 09:20 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 609 a cornfield near you B BlakDak mopar
BlakDak mopar B Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 609 a cornfield near you	The newer OD trannies did come with ATF

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #178375 12/29/08 09:29 PM 12/29/08 09:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,182 Bridgeport, WV M Michael master
Michael master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,182 Bridgeport, WV	Quote: Use a GL-4 rated gear oil, not ATF, not GL-5. my $.02

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: Michael] #178376 12/29/08 10:54 PM 12/29/08 10:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,391 nielsville, minn. Q quickd100 master
quickd100 master Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,391 nielsville, minn.	Back in the day ATF was recomended in 4spds esecially in cold climates. I used it in mine with no problems. Dave

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: wings471] #178377 12/30/08 08:43 AM 12/30/08 08:43 AM
Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,396 Mass dgc333 pro stock
dgc333 pro stock Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,396 Mass	ATF will shift much better than gear oil and was the factory fill in most A833 applications. Gear oil was put in them because people complained about gear rattle in neutral. Another choice is to use Roayl Purple, Redline or Penzoil manual transmission fluid. I have had the Penzoil Syncromesh Fluid in my A833 for about 20k miles now. It works even better than the ATF and provides better lubrication than ATF. Dave Clement Pembroke, MA 03 PT Cruiser GT Turbo 99 Dakota SLT+ CC 4x4 68 Barracuda sport coupe http://home.comcast.net/~dgc333/

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: dgc333] #178378 12/30/08 09:51 AM 12/30/08 09:51 AM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 326 Davenport, IA 7 70shaker enthusiast
70shaker enthusiast 7 Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 326 Davenport, IA	Another vote for the Pennzoil Synchromesh. My trans shifts much better than it did with gear lube. Ex Hemi Racer 70 Challenger Hemi 4 speed clone

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: quickd100] #178379 12/30/08 09:55 AM 12/30/08 09:55 AM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,377 White Plains, NY VCODE top fuel
VCODE top fuel Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,377 White Plains, NY	Quote: Back in the day ATF was recomended in 4spds esecially in cold climates. I used it in mine with no problems. Dave IIRC there was a bulletin to use ATF in a 4 speed Shifts better in the cold Bob Mom & Dad let me buy a brand new 70 Challenger R/T 440 Six-Pack Super Trac Pack when I was 17 (Robert what is a 440 Six-Pack)

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: VCODE] #178380 12/30/08 03:00 PM 12/30/08 03:00 PM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 252 Minnesota 69Y2RT enthusiast
69Y2RT enthusiast Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 252 Minnesota	30wt motor oil or synchromesh mopar part# 4874465 1969 Coronet R/T Y2 Y2 P6X X9 V8X 1967 Satellite 383 4speed

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: VCODE] #178381 12/30/08 04:55 PM 12/30/08 04:55 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 190 Wilmington,NC I I go fast member
I go fast member I Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 190 Wilmington,NC	If you read the svc bulletins is says recommended in cold weather.They did not come with ATF originally as some believe.They were filled with Multipurpose 90 weight gear oil.Read your owners manual.

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: I go fast] #178382 12/30/08 05:39 PM 12/30/08 05:39 PM
Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,396 Mass dgc333 pro stock
dgc333 pro stock Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,396 Mass	Well the owners manual for my 68 Barracuda makes no mention of what type of oil goes in the A833 just give capacities. However, the service manual I have states the A833 uses ATF and there is a note: "NOTE: If gear noise or rattle is experienced with the A833, SAE 90 gear oil maybe used in place of the ATF." I have seen (but don't have a copy) TSBs that basically say the same thing to replace the ATF with gear oil if the customer is complaining of gear noise. So, yes the factory did put ATF in A833's. Maybe not all years but certainly in some. Dave Clement Pembroke, MA 03 PT Cruiser GT Turbo 99 Dakota SLT+ CC 4x4 68 Barracuda sport coupe http://home.comcast.net/~dgc333/

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: dgc333] #178383 12/30/08 06:44 PM 12/30/08 06:44 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 190 Wilmington,NC I I go fast member
I go fast member I Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 190 Wilmington,NC	Quote: Well the owners manual for my 68 Barracuda makes no mention of what type of oil goes in the A833 just give capacities. However, the service manual I have states the A833 uses ATF and there is a note: "NOTE: If gear noise or rattle is experienced with the A833, SAE 90 gear oil maybe used in place of the ATF." I have seen (but don't have a copy) TSBs that basically say the same thing to replace the ATF with gear oil if the customer is complaining of gear noise. So, yes the factory did put ATF in A833's. Maybe not all years but certainly in some. You only read the specifications,its in the care and maintenance section. 4911200-MVC-007S.JPG (120 downloads)

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: I go fast] #178384 12/30/08 07:35 PM 12/30/08 07:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,391 nielsville, minn. Q quickd100 master
quickd100 master Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,391 nielsville, minn.	When I was first married we lived on the Iron Range in Minn., worked in the mines. It got real cold up there sometimes. I was driving my '69 383 4-spd RR, it was the only car I had at the time. My tranny had 80-90 in it. I got off work and it was -48 (that's not the wind chill either OZ). Car was plugged in and it reluctantly started but every time I tryed to let the clutch out it would kill the motor. I sat there for 20 minutes with my foot on the clutch before I could get it to move. After that I went to ATF, no more cold weather problems. Dave

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: quickd100] #178385 12/30/08 09:29 PM 12/30/08 09:29 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 4,920 Joplin, MO USA Robbins master
Robbins master Joined: May 2004 Posts: 4,920 Joplin, MO USA	Most people don't recommend it, but I've been using ATF in my 81 short bed since I started driving it back in 2000 cause it was already in it. Haven't had any issues with it. Moparlee

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: Michael] #178386 12/30/08 10:14 PM 12/30/08 10:14 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 84 Oregon G gtx-guy member
gtx-guy member G Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 84 Oregon	Quote: Quote: Use a GL-4 rated gear oil, not ATF, not GL-5. my $.02

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: gtx-guy] #178387 12/31/08 04:32 AM 12/31/08 04:32 AM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado 451Mopar master
451Mopar master Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado	I use RedLine MTL (manual Trans Lube.) Quote fron web page: http://www.redlineoil.com/products_gearlubricants.asp?categoryID=7 "This 70W80 GL-4 Gear Oil (SAE 5W30/10W30 engine oil viscosity) is designed for use in manual transmissions and transaxles. Provides excellent protection of gears and synchronizers and its balanced slipperiness provides a perfect coefficient of friction, allowing easier shifting."

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: I go fast] #178388 12/31/08 08:55 AM 12/31/08 08:55 AM
Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,396 Mass dgc333 pro stock
dgc333 pro stock Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,396 Mass	Quote: Quote: Well the owners manual for my 68 Barracuda makes no mention of what type of oil goes in the A833 just give capacities. However, the service manual I have states the A833 uses ATF and there is a note: "NOTE: If gear noise or rattle is experienced with the A833, SAE 90 gear oil maybe used in place of the ATF." I have seen (but don't have a copy) TSBs that basically say the same thing to replace the ATF with gear oil if the customer is complaining of gear noise. So, yes the factory did put ATF in A833's. Maybe not all years but certainly in some. You only read the specifications,its in the care and maintenance section. Not in my manual. I went an pulled it out and went through it. Like I have said twice before over the years mopar has spec'd gear oil and ATF in the A833. So, pick the lube you are comfortable with. Dave Clement Pembroke, MA 03 PT Cruiser GT Turbo 99 Dakota SLT+ CC 4x4 68 Barracuda sport coupe http://home.comcast.net/~dgc333/

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: dgc333] #178389 12/31/08 11:01 AM 12/31/08 11:01 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,691 MO C cdp master
cdp master C Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,691 MO	Contact Jamie Passon at Passon Performance. I understand he is very helpful and a manual transmission expert. He posts here sometimes.

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: wings471] #178390 12/31/08 12:31 PM 12/31/08 12:31 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,013 LEE, MASS T TOMRR super stock
TOMRR super stock T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,013 LEE, MASS	I have been using this for a couple of summers and seems to work great Another vote for the Pennzoil Synchromesh. My trans shifts much better than it did with gear lube. Last edited by TOMRR; 12/31/08 12:33 PM.

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: TOMRR] #178391 12/31/08 01:48 PM 12/31/08 01:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,798 McGregor,Iowa 52157 5 500ciDuster top fuel
500ciDuster top fuel 5 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,798 McGregor,Iowa 52157	I know the O.D trannys used ATF but didn't think they every used it in anything that had any power, I would think it would heat up but I guess most of the new stuff uses thin oil.

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: 500ciDuster] #178392 12/31/08 02:40 PM 12/31/08 02:40 PM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,139 West Tennessee R rbstroker super stock
rbstroker super stock R Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,139 West Tennessee	I bought a new Barracuda with a 4 speed in 1970. When I took it in for all the fluids to be changed, I was amazed that the trans had ATF in it from the factory. This is the land of the free because of the brave

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: rbstroker] #178393 12/31/08 02:49 PM 12/31/08 02:49 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 190 Wilmington,NC I I go fast member
I go fast member I Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 190 Wilmington,NC	Quote: I bought a new Barracuda with a 4 speed in 1970. When I took it in for all the fluids to be changed, I was amazed that the trans had ATF in it from the factory. That contradicts this.This is a 70 owners manual. Read the bottom of the page. 4912977-MVC-007S.JPG (85 downloads)

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: wings471] #178394 12/31/08 09:02 PM 12/31/08 09:02 PM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 390 pacific northwest W wings471 OP enthusiast
wings471 OP enthusiast W Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 390 pacific northwest	Thanks to all of you for your input. I live in a growing city of 70-80 thousand people and not one parts house had pennzoil synchromesh or had even heard of it...go figure. I refilled the transmission with atf and it meshes gears much better than it did with the GL-5. I will find the synchromesh oil and replace the atf with that product. 69y2RT recommended Mopars version called synchromesh also. I will try that if i don't locate the pennzoil product. The cold isn't an issue as I drive the Dart mostly in the summer. Thanks, again, is this the best site for information or what?! http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm136/wings440/P8050125-1.jpg "Uhmmmm......I got nuthin'."

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: wings471] #178395 12/31/08 11:17 PM 12/31/08 11:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,391 Abilene, Texas F fastmark master
fastmark master F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,391 Abilene, Texas	I read somewhere that Chrysler once stated that one of there bigger mistakes was putting ATF in 833's. It did not lubricate well enough and wore out the internals of the tranny. Of course I live in Texas and I have no problem with gear lube. At zero weather, I could see running ATF. It probably flows like honey at that temp.

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: fastmark] #178396 01/01/09 11:52 AM 01/01/09 11:52 AM
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Aspen7695 super stock A Joined: May 2003 Posts: 902 Gilbert, AZ	My '69 Dart Swinger 340 came from the factory with geal lube in the A833. When I turned it into a Super Stocker and slick shifted the tranny I tried using B&M ATF in it. After about the 4th race first gear galled on the shaft when I was going 110 mph in 4th gear. That blew the tranny, driveshaft and rear end. When I put everything back together I went back to gear lube and I never had another tranny problem. Raul

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: wings471] #178397 01/01/09 12:12 PM 01/01/09 12:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,013 LEE, MASS T TOMRR super stock
TOMRR super stock T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,013 LEE, MASS	pennzoil synchromesh I got mine at Auto Zone Last edited by TOMRR; 01/01/09 12:13 PM.

Re: ATF in 4 spd. [Re: TOMRR] #178398 01/01/09 07:12 PM 01/01/09 07:12 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	A friend of mine parted out a '71 340 duster in 1973 with only 1700 miles on it. I have the 833 out of it as well as some other parts. The trans still has the factory lube in it. ATF. That said, it will get gear lube if it ever gets used.

Re: ATF in 4 spd. #178399 01/01/09 10:09 PM 01/01/09 10:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,064 Arlington, Texas earlybee master
earlybee master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,064 Arlington, Texas	Oil is judged by sheer strength. High gear load and oil temp dictates viscosity with dino oil.

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