Re: 600 cubic inch small block Chevy
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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Back in 2007 or so, there was a grudge car from either NJ or NY that had a motor that they claimed was a small block. It was a big Sonny's motor, but definitely not a typical Sonny's big block. It was in the black "022" Camaro of Deuce Staley w/ Harry O driving...those involved w/ grudge racing will know the car. No idea how big it was, but it was a monster if it was really considered a small block. He got his butt cut by a local boy down here the night I saw it.
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Re: 600 cubic inch small block Chevy
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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03/04/15 03:31 PM
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Yup, it's a small block... except for the block.
SB/BB has no real meaning when both the bore pitch and deck height are invented.
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Re: 600 cubic inch small block Chevy
[Re: polyspheric]
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03/04/15 03:51 PM
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Yup, it's a small block... except for the block.
SB/BB has no real meaning when both the bore pitch and deck height are invented.
why is it even an issue? It's not a factory block. Wouldn't be easier just to rate engines/classes by cubic inches? So a guy drives up...I mean pulls his car off the trailer with that thing in it and beats a guy w/ a 512 cubic inch factory BB and he can say I just beat up on a Big Block?
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Re: 600 cubic inch small block Chevy
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
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03/04/15 04:56 PM
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Back in 2007 or so, there was a grudge car from either NJ or NY that had a motor that they claimed was a small block. It was a big Sonny's motor, but definitely not a typical Sonny's big block. It was in the black "022" Camaro of Deuce Staley w/ Harry O driving...those involved w/ grudge racing will know the car. No idea how big it was, but it was a monster if it was really considered a small block. He got his butt cut by a local boy down here the night I saw it.
The car was called the legend killer. There was nothing small about the motor.
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Re: 600 cubic inch small block Chevy
[Re: dogdays]
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03/04/15 08:26 PM
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Let me be the first to say on this forum that it's not a smallblock.
4.6 bore spacing is greater than a Firepower Hemi, just slightly less than Olds or Pontiac motors. The stock chevy bigblock deck is 9.800. 9.5 is ford 351W territory, so that's more like it, but a 10.2" deck engine with 4.6 bore spacing is really close to a Buick 455.
Yup, the terms smallblock and bigblock etc are not formally defined so anything goes, but I think this is stretching the definition past where I'm comfortable.
I'd also say that any #$23,000 engine SHOULD be impressive.
R.
Well with blocks today capable of 1000+ CI, It sure seems on the small side to me....LOL
At least they did state: "within the somewhat traditional confines of the 58-year-old SBC platform."
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Re: 600 cubic inch small block Chevy
[Re: dvw]
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03/04/15 09:52 PM
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If a Mopar big block can't make adequate power with 4.800" bore centers at 600" why would this motor make power at 4.600"????????????????????? Doug
What's "adequate" power. This thing will go to a 4.500 bore. In the "real world", bore for bore, stroke for stroke, assuming heads equal, although the SBX head is a bad biotch, this and a similar constructed Mopar big block SHOULD make about the same power. But here is the kicker, THIS one, because of the "foundation" of the block, gets to run at a smallblock weight break, in a class based on that criteria. Now you can complain all you want, that it is NOT a real smallblock, but according to rules makers it is, because of what it was BASED from.
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Re: 600 cubic inch small block Chevy
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03/04/15 10:08 PM
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If a Mopar big block can't make adequate power with 4.800" bore centers at 600" why would this motor make power at 4.600"????????????????????? Doug
What's "adequate" power. This thing will go to a 4.500 bore. In the "real world", bore for bore, stroke for stroke, assuming heads equal, although the SBX head is a bad biotch, this and a similar constructed Mopar big block SHOULD make about the same power. But here is the kicker, THIS one, because of the "foundation" of the block, gets to run at a smallblock weight break, in a class based on that criteria. Now you can complain all you want, that it is NOT a real smallblock, but according to rules makers it is, because of what it was BASED from.
OK nice head. Why can this motor go 4.500" at 4.600" bore C/L? Assuming proper cylinder wall and deck thickness, could you go 4.700" on a 4.800"? Can a KB go 4.700" on standard bore C/L? Am I missing something? Obviously a very thin head gasket area between the cylinders. Doug
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Re: 600 cubic inch small block Chevy
[Re: earthmover]
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03/05/15 09:27 AM
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I really don't see why it matter if its small or big ..its a bad mother either way..mopar is never going to step up with anything close ...
Chevy/GM didn't step up either. CFE did. There's nothing stopping anyone from developing something similar for a Mopar.
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