Re: Educate me on wideband systems
[Re: DemonDust]
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01/08/15 09:27 PM
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I just want one that works properly, consistently and I can pull a SD card, plug in my laptop, or Bluetooth the information to a computer.
Is that asking to much?
Nope... but you want me to search for you.. not gonna happen... YOU know what you want.. start lookin good luck
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Re: Educate me on wideband systems
[Re: DemonDust]
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01/08/15 10:37 PM
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I just want one that works properly, consistently and I can pull a SD card, plug in my laptop, or Bluetooth the information to a computer.
Is that asking to much?
Based on what I'm seeing, and I've narrowed my search primarily down to Innovate because it seems to be the best bang for buck, I think you're also looking at the LM-2. From what I see, you can use an SD card, but it also offers a USB cable for direct hookup to your laptop. It downloads to its own software package for you to view and work with the info., and files each session you record. I think this is what most people are looking for in the drag-strip world. The MXT-L is primarily just a guage. It says you can download info from the MXT-L system to a computer, but I think you need additional hardware to make that happen. I see they make a product called a "pocket-logger" that says it works with MXT-L (as well as other guage systems) to convert the info to a format that works with data-logging software on a computer. That item is around $100, which is slightly more than the difference between the LM-2 & the MXT-L.
It certainly is confusing! Pulling a plug and giving it the ol' sniff-test might not be so bad after all.
LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120
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Re: Educate me on wideband systems
[Re: StealthWedge67]
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01/08/15 11:07 PM
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It certainly is confusing! Pulling a plug and giving it the ol' sniff-test might not be so bad after all.
And if you are like me.... you won't actually believe what the gauge tells you 100% and you'll be pulling the plugs anyway. LOL
I have a wideband integrated into my Megasquirt MS3X system - which allows me to datalog every single part of the operation during a pass. I was running an AEM gauge connected to my system - but the Bosch sensors didn't survive more than a couple of passes if I put it up on the 2-step launch limiter. I switched to an Innovate system and so far so good. The O2 sensor has lasted a year already, so that's good news for me!
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Re: Educate me on wideband systems
[Re: Cab_Burge]
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01/09/15 12:20 AM
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FAST has a nice unit also. I would consider also..
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Re: Educate me on wideband systems
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01/17/15 05:24 PM
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UPDATE ************************
So I finally got through to Innovate on the phone, and I'm glad I did. The guy walked me through a few different options, and I now feel like I know what I want and why. If you want a system that offers an in-dash guage, and also allows full logging capability (this is me), then here's the ticket:
MXT-L + SSI-4 + PL-1
The MXT-L guage kit has the full wideband controller and in-dash guage. Then you can add the SSI-4, which allows you to integrate other inputs (RPM, Fuel Pressure, MAP, etc), and will hook up and feed directly to your computer (but you would have to have the computer hooked up and recording as you make a pass to log it). Add a PL-1 logger, and now you can record all of the info to an SD card for download to your laptop later.
All three of these items added up, cost approx. the same as an LM-2. The advantage is the guage, and the ability to purchase them as budget allows, and as needed over time. The guy at Innovate was pretty helpful in explaining it to me. He also strongly reccomended against analog guages, explaining that in this arena of information, an analog guage just doesnt offer the precise information that a digital guage offers. In fact, Innovate is in the process of discontinuing all of their G-series analog guages.
LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120
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Re: Educate me on wideband systems
[Re: justinp61]
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01/17/15 08:49 PM
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Glad you got it sorted out, but have one question. Why do you want a gauge in the dash? Once you get the fuel curve sorted out unless you make changes it should be good.
If the handheld system, and the system I've outlined above are about the same investment..... You're saying you'd rather NOT have a guage?
Like you said, I suppose: "it SHOULD be good". You could say that about any function though, couldn't you? "why do you need an oil pressure guage, once you've seen how much you have, you should be good". "Why do you need a voltage guage? Once you've identified that your system works, you should be good". Why do you have a fuel pressure guage?... Why do you need a any guage? If its good, its good... right? I don't mean to be a smart-azz, but you get my point.
Seriously, I think there are times when it may tip you off that you might want to make a quick jet change in the heat of summer. hows your tune in the crisp air of the fall?... same jetting as in the 90 humid summer months? My car is a street & strip car that spends time in a lot of different driving conditions. Driving it is a hobby, not transportation.
And finally, and most importantly.... I'm a hot rodder and fiddling with stuff is what I do.
LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120
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Re: Educate me on wideband systems
[Re: StealthWedge67]
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01/18/15 12:55 AM
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I hang my LM-1 from my mirror from a wire bracket that I made. I like to monitor my A/F as I drive and have noticed some things with different brands of gas and on different days. Also, with it hanging right there, I can tap the record button real easy, even when I am pulling into the lights at the track.
It doesn't look bad and is easy to unhook and throw in the console. Besides, a lot of people ask about it and want to know how it works.
Master, again and still
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