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Re: Educate me on wideband systems
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I use the innovate 3844mtx-l on my hemi with a stage V manifold and 2-fours and works great. My friends have them on high horse sigle four chevys and fords also without any problems. Easiest electronic product I've every installed.
That's the one I'm looking to get. Do you use any type of data logger with it?
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Re: Educate me on wideband systems
[Re: ademon]
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01/07/15 11:47 PM
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Great information here! So as I've read through this thread and continued looking and reading at manufacturer websites, I think I'm leaning towards the Innovative LM-2 kit. It'll probably be a few weeks before I can pull the trigger. Thanks for all the reply's and keep them coming.
LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120
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Re: Educate me on wideband systems
[Re: StealthWedge67]
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01/08/15 12:30 AM
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I use the innovate 3844mtx-l on my hemi with a stage V manifold and 2-fours and works great. My friends have them on high horse sigle four chevys and fords also without any problems. Easiest electronic product I've every installed.
That's the one I'm looking to get. Do you use any type of data logger with it?
Trying to fully understand the difference between the LM-2 and the MXT-L....
The LM-2 feeds info through a handheld device that allows you to control various functions, record sessions for output to software, and so on.
The MXT-L feeds info to a guage that you mount in-car. But it says it also can feed into to a data-logging program. How would you record sessions to output? Does the same software come with each??
Help me understand the differences here.
Your correct on the LM... I dont know the other unit
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Re: Educate me on wideband systems
[Re: Uberpube]
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01/08/15 01:46 AM
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I have a whole whack of widebands, and generally they read pretty close to one another, except the LM-1, I really didn't find it performed all that well, I found the software and features good, but the quality of the actual instrument to be poor. It's calibration was finicky and drifted quickly, and I had to resolder the connections on the board numerous times.
The FJO was good for the price, but they go bought out and shut down, the motec is top knotch and always reads within .1 of the dynojet WB on my dyno. The NGK works ok, but lacks some options of other WB's.
I can say that my LM-1 is repeatable.. as for accuracy
I never compared it to another...YET.. I just got
a autometer dash unit one but I havent installed it
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Re: Educate me on wideband systems
[Re: StealthWedge67]
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01/08/15 12:31 PM
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I use the innovate 3844mtx-l on my hemi with a stage V manifold and 2-fours and works great. My friends have them on high horse sigle four chevys and fords also without any problems. Easiest electronic product I've every installed.
That's the one I'm looking to get. Do you use any type of data logger with it?
Trying to fully understand the difference between the LM-2 and the MXT-L....
The LM-2 feeds info through a handheld device that allows you to control various functions, record sessions for output to software, and so on.
The MXT-L feeds info to a guage that you mount in-car. But it says it also can feed into to a data-logging program. How would you record sessions to output? Does the same software come with each??
Help me understand the differences here.
The LM-2 does the recording, the other does not. Also, the LM-2 comes with a program that the logged data is down-loaded into on your computer. Once there, you can manipulate the data and the different sessions.
As you make changes, you will want to compare before and after. The program that comes with the LM-2 will make data that you gather so much more usable. And reveal trends and quirks that a video of a gage cannot.
There are some rather subtle things going on. And there is some stuff that happens faster than a camera would reveal. And sometimes it just takes a while to realize what is going on. The graphs help all that enormously.
Recording the info for playback later is essential. But having that info on a well laid out chart is also very important.
Pull up some of the recorded sessions from the LM-1 s and LM-2s and you will see how much easier the data that is recorded is to interpret.
Master, again and still
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Re: Educate me on wideband systems
[Re: StealthWedge67]
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01/08/15 12:51 PM
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I've wanted to buy a wideband for quite some time now, but haven't because of threads like this. No body has a definite answer which one is the best to go with. It always seems like for every positive vote there is a negative vote for each system. I'll just  and hope for more info....
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Re: Educate me on wideband systems
[Re: DemonDust]
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01/08/15 12:58 PM
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I've wanted to buy a wideband for quite some time now, but haven't because of threads like this. No body has a definite answer which one is the best to go with. It always seems like for every positive vote there is a negative vote for each system.
I'll just and hope for more info....
Not everyone needs the same thing... some want a
gauge on the dash... some want a down load version..
basically thats the 2 versions .. read out or not..
so what are your needs
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Re: Educate me on wideband systems
[Re: DemonDust]
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01/08/15 03:24 PM
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I want to log every run without going to look at my in car video and try to see what's going on.
Then the next question would be.. do you have a data
logger that you can use to record the A/F.. if not
then you have to go with a meter that holds its own
data such as the LM-2 or one like it.. you can buy a
separate unit to do this for the LM-1
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Re: Educate me on wideband systems
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01/08/15 03:34 PM
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No I haven't, It does have data log but you have to use a pc.
Sorry 3844 mtxl
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Re: Educate me on wideband systems
[Re: DemonDust]
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01/08/15 08:21 PM
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The only data logger I have is what I write every pass down in and keep my records.
So I'm open to what would work best. 
I dont know of which units run a self data log..
so that part is up to you to search
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I would call Innovate to make sure, you really need the NTK(expensive) sensors to read the AFR accurately on any alcholol motor is what I've been told by several alcholol racers 
