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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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That's awesome! Planning to go Gen3 next year also. Will be interested in your install. I read somewhere that when you bolt the bellhousing to the block there is a misalignment from the trans to the flywheel? Maybe the Gen3 experts can chime in! 
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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Usually need the Mopar Peformance conversion flexplate.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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Awesome! Looking forward to watching your build. For wiring and setting up your megasquirt, go to my DIY how to thread here: http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=226125Covers wiring, tuner studio set-up for the Hemi, etc. It will get you running. Everything should line up fine with the swap flexplate. I believe the bushing in the crank stays??? Someone else can chime in on this hopefully. 
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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got a surprise - engine showed up a day early.
Also- the shipping weight was 500 lbs. 80 lbs of that was the pallet and the cardboard packing (yeah, I weighed it), so this engine weighs in around 420 lbs.
This is a long block, with intake, throttle body, exhaust, LC/LX cast aluminum oil pan and coil packs. No fluids.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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Yesterday was a very long day... I had planned everything out for today so there was some serious backyard engineering we had to do. Since the engine came in a day early, had to take off from work unscheduled, my buddy with the truck had to take off from work unscheduled also, go pickup the engine at my wife's workplace before it got buried in the warehouse, then get it into the garage without the benefit of a cherry picker. Ever try to get an engine on a pallet out of the back of a truck without a cherry picker? This was a little scary 
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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I went and checked the bill of lading and it says ship weight of 500 lbs (it seems odd to be it is exactly 500 lbs but ok!). I've edited my initial post....
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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Hey just a heads up on the Milodon 18336 pickup. Apparently they don't have enough materials for the tubes so they are on back order for at least 3 weeks. When I called yesterday the guy said he had three 31003 oil pans just sitting there waiting on a pickup I know you were looking for one as well
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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Greg- you should come by and check this thing out, it's pretty cool
You should have called. I have a truck and a "knock down" cherry picker. NO need to resort to the Tom Foolery of jackstands and tire removal to load or unload an engine.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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Probably going to run an LS type 90mm with a adapter.
Bad news is that the pistons have some scuffing damage - like I said, I didnt know the history on this engine - so i'll have to have the block honed, I hope it will clean up with just a .005" overbore. Talked to Arrow today, turns out it is a 426 crate motor.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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finally finished tear down - source of the issue(s) is #4 main bearing spun. Oil Passages are clear so either it got run out of oil or clearance was too tight on the mains. main spun, material sent to #6 and 7 rods, crap in those rod bearings, sent into bore, picked up by rear 4 pistons and dragged around. all other journals look ok. Will have to have crank ground on main journals, polish on rod journals, block checked and line bored as needed and 8 new pistons. might also need one intake valve along with corresponding rocker that looks like it mushroomed the valve tip a little or might clean up on the grinder.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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Wow hopefully you got a good deal on that engine! I'm pretty sure that has Callies Compstar rods. Nothing wrong with them, but I wanted US made rods instead. Todd at Arrow was able to get me a set of Dryer I-beam rods that has the necessary offset.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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Probably not necessary, but one advantage to the aluminum blocks is sleeves are cheap and replaceable. Those look like Mahle pistons. Get well informed on proper head sealing technique. What bore is it? 4.125?
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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Are those rods easy to resize? I've always played it safe with rebuild of engines with spun bearings, opting to have the rods resized. If it was only a main bearing that spun, it still may be wise to "mike" the big ends of the rods to ensure their size.
I'm going to go through everything and see where they setup the bearing clearances. Though I found the symptoms of the problem, I'm not confident I found the source yet. When I talked to Arrow, there were no special machining operations for the aluminum block that differed from other engines, I was happy to hear that. I wish I still had access to machine shop equipment like I did in San Jose. I had to buy a dial bore gauge so I can check the rods, mains etc. But I don't mind buying tools....
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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Hey just a heads up on the Milodon 18336 pickup.
Apparently they don't have enough materials for the tubes so they are on back order for at least 3 weeks.
When I called yesterday the guy said he had three 31003 oil pans just sitting there waiting on a pickup
I know you were looking for one as well
Just got an email from summit, that the pickup will be ANOTHER 4 weeks! great, the pickup will be the one thing keeping me from getting this running....
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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Frustrating, to say the least. I'm waiting for one too! The part I don't get, is why does this not come as a package? The pan requires that pickup, so why do they not come together?
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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Supply and demand. Milodon is too busy making money off of Chevy and Ford products to even notice us Mopar fans. We are lucky enough to know that they even exist and have the part numbers. Not very many people out there with late model hemi swaps and even less that actually road race them.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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It only took them them 3 weeks to get mine made, I guess im lucky.
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I got a pan, pick up, dipstick tube and new indicator from modern muscle, said they had them on the shelf as a kit
Sure...NOW you tell us! 
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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I think the screen end of the factory pickup is to big to allow the doors to open in the RR pan.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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I'd like to use a superdamper, but that is something that can be swapped out in the car. So I'll do that later.
Meanwhile, I worked on the motor mount brackets. With other posts I have read regarding mounts, headers and other parts not fitting correctly, I wanted to spend the time to make sure things go together smoothly prior to dropping the motor in the car. Of course there was much grinding to be done, the passenger side bracket hit part of the block casting, so I had to grind that corner of the bracket so that the bracket could be bolted to the block (it would not line up without this clearancing). In addition, the holes for the mount stud are little too small, so I had to drill those oversize. I also had to grind the stud shorter so it would not bottom out in the bracket, clean up the mounting surfaces on the mounts so they would sit flat against the bracket and also on the K-member. And lastly, I had to grind the pad of the motor mount where it was contacting the header tube on #1 cylinder.
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To offset the good progress made was all the bad stuff I found when swapping parts for the transmission. going from the big block to the hemi meant I have to swap trans cases. Since I rebuilt the trans prior to putting it behind the big block, I need to swap all the parts out of the case into a small block case. When I got the trans out of the car and tore into it, there was some bad news. 1 - the converter either ballooned or there was not enough clearance when the parts were bolted together. The converter was hitting the front pump seal, which wore a groove into the base of the converter drive hub. I will end up having to send the converter back to get checked out and see if they can set it up with a shorter assembled height if it was not ballooned. 2 - the TCS direct drum in the trans has a bronze bushing insert in the aluminum. The stator support seals wore pretty serious grooves into the bushing so I'll have to replace that prior to putting the trans back together. I was surprised at the amount of wear considering the low miles on the trans. From what I understand from another post on here, the seals provided with the drum are pretty aggressive. I need to talk to TCS and see if there are any options on using a different seal. I was starting to have issues with clutch chatter in reverse and I guess this was the source. I guess I just expect too much from these parts. It's pretty aggravating.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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Awesome! Can you get a shot of the oil filter and engine mount area on Pass side please?! Also I called Milodon a while back about the 18336 pickup and Ken Sink said that it was still being made which is complete BS! I kept calling back today until I spoke to Steven and he said that they would see if a run of the parts could be done next week and shipped out. I said that I didn't need mine to be plated and that would save a couple of days. Maybe if people kept calling in, a fire could be lit on someone's behind. You figure that an oil pickup tube ordered mid-Nov. 2014 would be ready by now... Thanks
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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Awesome!
Can you get a shot of the oil filter and engine mount area on Pass side please?!
Also I called Milodon a while back about the 18336 pickup and Ken Sink said that it was still being made which is complete BS!
I kept calling back today until I spoke to Steven and he said that they would see if a run of the parts could be done next week and shipped out. I said that I didn't need mine to be plated and that would save a couple of days. Maybe if people kept calling in, a fire could be lit on someone's behind. You figure that an oil pickup tube ordered mid-Nov. 2014 would be ready by now...
Thanks
here you go - bummer with this oil filter adapter is you can't bolt it in prior to bolting the motor mount to the k member. Then I missed that I need to cut the corner off the motor mount below the hole for the adapter, you can't get the adapter bolt in there and since access to the nut for the mount where it meets the engine bracket is so limited, you can't really loosen the nut, raise the engine to put this last bolt in and drop it again.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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I'm happy with the header clearance on the driver's side with the steering box. I have to do some work to get the AC compressor in there but overall the headers fit ok so far.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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Those wheels are awesome!
Thanks! Once I put them on the car, I had one of those "oh hell yeah" moments.
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I realize that this is a hobby car and not a daily, but what about making the pickup tube yourself? If you have the part that attaches to the block and the end that sucks the oil, I'm sure that you are skilled enough to fab one yourself.
I bought a Durango oil pickup off ebay to see if I can make it work - If anything, it could be too long which is ok....
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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I called Milodon again, they said they were working on the 18336 oil pickups. The gold iridite plated ones are supposed to go out by next Friday. I asked for one un-plated since it will be in oil anyways and mine is supposed to ship out this Friday. This is what the guy said so we'll see. Maybe he just told me that because he is sick of me calling in all the time haha! I think someone else should call in to confirm this info or even ask for a un-plated version as well
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Some good news! My oil pickup and pan were finally shipped to Arrow Racing. Bad news is that they forgot to weld a small section of the tube haha! WTF!?!  Oh well it is what it is, easy fix... I am glad that it was caught! Todd from Arrow mentioned that the clocking of the pickup tube was a little off but it should still work. The rest of 18336 pickups should be coming out shortly after finally seeing mine, although I would run them over a fine tooth comb to see if any other mishaps in welding happened
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Awesome!
Can you get a shot of the oil filter and engine mount area on Pass side please?!
Also I called Milodon a while back about the 18336 pickup and Ken Sink said that it was still being made which is complete BS!
I kept calling back today until I spoke to Steven and he said that they would see if a run of the parts could be done next week and shipped out. I said that I didn't need mine to be plated and that would save a couple of days. Maybe if people kept calling in, a fire could be lit on someone's behind. You figure that an oil pickup tube ordered mid-Nov. 2014 would be ready by now...
Thanks
here you go - bummer with this oil filter adapter is you can't bolt it in prior to bolting the motor mount to the k member. Then I missed that I need to cut the corner off the motor mount below the hole for the adapter, you can't get the adapter bolt in there and since access to the nut for the mount where it meets the engine bracket is so limited, you can't really loosen the nut, raise the engine to put this last bolt in and drop it again.
I made the same mistake. I shortened the bolt a tiny bit and ground the head a bit for clearance. I got it in by only having to lift he motor a little on that one side.
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Can't believe how crappy that pickup is welded, they must had their 4th string welder on those. Mine looked great in the weld dept, like professional. Dyes makes H beam rods to fyi,. Sorry to keep hijacking your thread Nstlga.....
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I sent these same pics to Dyer and they said that these are definitely not their rods. I was actually excited to own a set, but oh well that's life... Yeah sorry for the hijack ntstlgl1970
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Called milodon and the guy says 3-4 more weeks for the pickup. I'm calling summit to cancel my order. I'll make the durango pickup work. F_U milodon.
Man that really sucks! I was hoping that my calling in for the pick-up would also get yours made as they said that a few others would get plated?
A custom pick should not be too hard to weld up
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Just before you shook their tree, Rylis, they had sent me an e-mail saying I was looking at mid-March. Then a couple days later, I got shipping confirmation. I was hoping everyone who was waiting was gonna be taken care of...
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who did you use for the machine work in Sac? hopefully you make it to spring fling. What model pickup number are you looking for from milodon? I have a pan and pickup I got a few years ago. give me a call or text
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[Re: ntstlgl1970]
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03/12/15 11:31 PM
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I got ya, my head was thinking drum bushings, not thrust washers.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: ntstlgl1970]
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03/19/15 08:02 AM
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Hey just a heads up, I pulled my radiator yesterday and when I checked the zinc anode it was all ate to crap. I had last checked that thing about 2 years ago and it was still in good condition. My radiator still works fine no leaks so I didn't think the galvanic corrosion would be that bad. I was amazed to find the anode to basically crumble in my hands. With this new motor I went and got a new aluminum radiator and will replace my hoses with some Gates green stripe hoses, http://www.gates.com/products/automotive...ly-coolant-hosereplaced the steel water neck with an aluminum piece,  and will put in another sacrificial zinc anode. Also going to use some aluminum engine specific coolant and flush more often.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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04/26/15 03:48 AM
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Picked up my parts from the machine shop yesterday. I'm now the proud owner of a torque plate. Really messed up my budget but I didn't have a choice. So today I went to start assembling the short block. I was just going to throw the crank in there are run it but thought better of that and set up the dial indicator, lay in the crank and check it for straightness. Done for the day, crank is bent about .0035". Not sure what that is about. Since they had to send the crank out to get ground and I did not have them assemble it, I can't blame the machine shop I guess. I could straighten it myself, but that would require me to build some V blocks - besides I just spent some money to have it worked on. Since I paid someone to grind the thing, I'll talk to the machine shop on Monday and have them straighten it. Disappointed that the place that ground the crank either didn't straighten it or it bounced around in the truck on the way back to the machine shop.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: ntstlgl1970]
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04/26/15 05:03 AM
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Picked up my parts from the machine shop yesterday. I'm now the proud owner of a torque plate. Really messed up my budget but I didn't have a choice. So today I went to start assembling the short block. I was just going to throw the crank in there are run it but thought better of that and set up the dial indicator, lay in the crank and check it for straightness. Done for the day, crank is bent about .0035". Not sure what that is about. Since they had to send the crank out to get ground and I did not have them assemble it, I can't blame the machine shop I guess. I could straighten it myself, but that would require me to build some V blocks - besides I just spent some money to have it worked on. Since I paid someone to grind the thing, I'll talk to the machine shop on Monday and have them straighten it. Disappointed that the place that ground the crank either didn't straighten it or it bounced around in the truck on the way back to the machine shop. Wow,if you didn't have bad luck you wouldn't have any luck at all!
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: RylisPro]
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04/27/15 01:54 AM
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Hey just a heads up, I pulled my radiator yesterday and when I checked the zinc anode it was all ate to crap. I had last checked that thing about 2 years ago and it was still in good condition. My radiator still works fine no leaks so I didn't think the galvanic corrosion would be that bad. I was amazed to find the anode to basically crumble in my hands. With this new motor I went and got a new aluminum radiator and will replace my hoses with some Gates green stripe hoses, http://www.gates.com/products/automotive...ly-coolant-hosereplaced the steel water neck with an aluminum piece, and will put in another sacrificial zinc anode. Also going to use some aluminum engine specific coolant and flush more often. Have you done a electrolysis check on your motor? Take a voltmeter and ground the black/neg. and dangle the red/pos. in the coolant with an open radiator cap. Should be less than .3 volts (300 mV). Are you mixing tap water with green coolant?  This is 76.8 mV  Distilled water, Justice Brothers Radiator Cooler p/n 22p and Cooling System Protector 1csp
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: autoxcuda]
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04/29/15 12:20 PM
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Machine shop got the crank straightened out, it's under .001" now. Made a little progress last night. Looks like I need to shorten and move the oil pump pickup to the centerline of the crankshaft to meet up with the oil pickup area on the pan. I think that it should end up just over #3 main cap, so couple inches forward and about an inch towards the crank centerline. Probably will leave that until the weekend and continue assembling on the shortblock.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: ntstlgl1970]
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04/30/15 09:57 PM
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It's the arp assembly lube for the fasteners. If you glance at it really quick, it looks like there are big gouges in everything. I'll get the extra lube stuff off of there before I button the pan up. Fun task of filing rings will start tomorrow. It does look like gouges in the metal! Glad that it isn't!
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: Kern Dog]
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05/03/15 05:37 PM
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Got the oil pump, timing cover and balancer on. Good thing I have a microwave/convection oven in the garage, had to heat up the balancer hub to get it on the crank since the balancer bolt thread is so deep on these motors, my regular damper installer tool wasn't going to work. Also the FedEx guy showed up just in time so I could install the 3/8 NPT x -10 fittings for the oiling ports in the block. Looks like one of the fittings might be very close to the guard on the back of the alternator once the hose is attached to it, will need to investigate that further. I got all the pistons miked and the shortest rods paired up with the tallest pistons, smallest pistons in the smallest bores, etc. It's going pretty smooth now. Just not fast enough!
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: ntstlgl1970]
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05/03/15 06:44 PM
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Looks great!!
Yes- the oil fittings and the alternator are close (touching, actually). My upper 90* -10 end presses up against the alternator cover (the hose end of the 90, not the -10 AN end), and I have to lever the alternator in place. I have that hose going between the alternator and head, so it is angled slightly forward, and that's what causes the most interference.
I have a car alternator. Not sure if the jeep alternator has the same back cover depth.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: Uhcoog1]
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05/05/15 03:33 AM
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Forgot how long it takes to file fit rings, 3 holes down 5 to go. I'll have to spend some more time on the alternator to oil line clearance after I get the long block together.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: ntstlgl1970]
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05/05/15 10:38 AM
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Getting it done! And I bet it will be a better motor than ever now.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: Kern Dog]
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05/17/15 03:59 PM
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Got the AC compressor mounted up, cut the compressor, cut the k member, dent the header, grind the motor mount - piece of cake right?
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: ntstlgl1970]
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05/25/15 03:14 AM
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If you have a MIG, do it yourself. Im very glad I did.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: ntstlgl1970]
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05/25/15 06:30 PM
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Yeah not a bad idea, I was in a "make as much room as possible" mode for AC later when I did it so if a brace fits, why not?
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: ntstlgl1970]
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06/04/15 10:16 AM
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NICE!!! Can't wait to see it in person.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: ntstlgl1970]
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03/13/16 04:41 PM
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AWESOME!!! Are you planning on Track Day on the 21st??
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: ntstlgl1970]
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03/13/16 05:11 PM
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Awesome, looks like you went with MS3.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: ntstlgl1970]
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03/24/16 06:17 PM
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Right on!!! Can't wait to see how this turns out for you.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: ntstlgl1970]
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03/29/16 09:27 AM
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Right on!! Do not let that mellow sound fool you!
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: ntstlgl1970]
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03/31/16 05:24 PM
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Thanks Lee, are you bringing the red brick to the Mopar alley show? I'll definitely be there this year I'll probably be there depending on the date.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: ntstlgl1970]
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04/24/16 10:42 PM
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Have to use old school regulator.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
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04/24/16 11:03 PM
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Have to use old school regulator. I've thought about using a Ford FPDM module and just let the MS3 control it. I thought the MS3 can control an alternator via PWM but couldn't take the full alternator field load through it....but I've slept since reading that.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: ntstlgl1970]
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04/24/16 11:08 PM
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I was in the exact same situation earlier in the year so I feel your pain. I had to send in my oem 160 amp alternator to get internally regulated. It cost about $60 plus shipping http://www.qualitypowerauto.comThe old school external regulator wasn't working for me at all. Hope this helps!
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: ntstlgl1970]
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04/25/16 01:10 AM
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You cant use a parts store stock replacement, you have to use a heavy duty replacement. Wade has the wiring diagram, its simple but I cant remember it exactly. Switched 12V to stock field wire or something. I know it works on mine, 14.2-14.4 at the batt.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: ntstlgl1970]
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04/29/16 12:21 PM
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ntstlgl1970 -- Did you disconnect the sway bar end links when you did the weight scaling? Try doing that and then re-weigh as you might find differences.... then re-attach the sway bar end links equally by shimming each end, assuming they are typical stock-style (pending your sway bar end link designs). Also, be certain tire pressures are where you want them to be, and of course with driver's weight included at the driver's seat.
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: ntstlgl1970]
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11/17/17 06:59 AM
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Any updates? I'm curious as hell, just started a 6.1 swap!
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Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
[Re: Kern Dog]
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12/19/17 03:32 AM
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I haven’t checked in for a while, but I’m still around. Need to get a pro to tune the engine and finish the interior
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