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#1704729 - 11/29/14 11:38 PM Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap
ntstlgl1970 Offline
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I've been researching the newer hemi's for a while and I came across a deal too good to pass up. So out comes the 440 and in goes a 6.1 hemi. And the car loses some weight off the nose - so that is a plus.
The new (to me) motor should be here by the end of next week and then I'll be swapping a bunch of parts out.
I've already got a good fuel system in the car, a good sized radiator and I was using the MS3X to run the 440 so that will adapt over pretty easily. I'm using a 518 overdrive trans with a JW ultra bell to mate to the 440, so I'll have to swap the trans case with a small block case to mate up to the 6.1
Previously I was going to build a low deck 400 with victor heads. I had only collected the block and heads so I didn't go too deep down that rabbit hole.
I think going to the 6.1 will be pretty "inexpensive" if I can sell off all my B/RB stuff. I'm hoping to have the engine in the car (probably not running though) by the end of the year.


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#1704730 - 11/29/14 11:47 PM Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap [Re: ntstlgl1970]
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That's awesome!
Planning to go Gen3 next year also. Will be interested in your install.
I read somewhere that when you bolt the bellhousing to the block there is a misalignment from the trans to the flywheel?
Maybe the Gen3 experts can chime in!
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#1704731 - 11/30/14 12:02 AM Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap [Re: RylisPro]
72Swinger Offline
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Usually need the Mopar Peformance conversion flexplate.
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#1704732 - 11/30/14 12:17 AM Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap [Re: 72Swinger]
savoy64 Offline
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i think it takes a bellhousing shaped shim....

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#1704733 - 11/30/14 12:21 AM Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap [Re: savoy64]
ntstlgl1970 Offline
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I ordered the conversion flexplate and motor mounts from Mancini, hoping they will be here next weekend. I already have a guy interested in buying my longblock so once I get the 440 out, it will be gone. Then all the FI stuff goes on ebay.

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#1704734 - 11/30/14 07:52 AM Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap [Re: ntstlgl1970]
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Awesome! Looking forward to watching your build.

For wiring and setting up your megasquirt, go to my DIY how to thread here:
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=226125
Covers wiring, tuner studio set-up for the Hemi, etc. It will get you running.

Everything should line up fine with the swap flexplate. I believe the bushing in the crank stays??? Someone else can chime in on this hopefully.

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#1704735 - 11/30/14 11:35 AM Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap [Re: Uhcoog1]
ntstlgl1970 Offline
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Thanks for the link, lots of good info on your thread. I'm going to use a MAF to help tune the fuel table after using the VE table generator function in tuner studio. I ordered the knock sensor add in board and the ms3x harness as well.

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#1704736 - 12/07/14 04:24 PM Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap [Re: ntstlgl1970]
ntstlgl1970 Offline
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checking with the shipping company, the engine should arrive Wednesday - need to make a hole in the garage to fit it in, supposed to get some rain that day....

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#1704737 - 12/09/14 11:42 PM Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap [Re: ntstlgl1970]
ntstlgl1970 Offline
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got a surprise - engine showed up a day early.

Also- the shipping weight was 500 lbs. 80 lbs of that was the pallet and the cardboard packing (yeah, I weighed it), so this engine weighs in around 420 lbs.

This is a long block, with intake, throttle body, exhaust, LC/LX cast aluminum oil pan and coil packs. No fluids.


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#1704738 - 12/10/14 02:20 AM Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap [Re: ntstlgl1970]
72Swinger Offline
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Quote:

got a surprise - engine showed up a day early.

Also- the shipping weight was 550 lbs. 80 lbs of that was the palatte and the cardboard packing, so this engine weighs in around 470 lbs.


and it has an aluminium block correct? Is it the 615hp version?
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#1704739 - 12/10/14 02:32 AM Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap [Re: 72Swinger]
ntstlgl1970 Offline
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honestly, I don't know which version it is. I bought this off a forum with no history, so I'm going through it to see what all the specs are.

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#1704740 - 12/10/14 07:09 AM Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap [Re: ntstlgl1970]
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Up late again, Eric?

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#1704741 - 12/10/14 09:51 AM Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap [Re: ntstlgl1970]
RylisPro Offline


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An aluminum block should have a part number on the passenger side
http://www.allpar.com/mopar/hemi/newhemi.html


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#1704742 - 12/10/14 09:53 AM Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap [Re: Frankenduster]
ntstlgl1970 Offline
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Yesterday was a very long day...

I had planned everything out for today so there was some serious backyard engineering we had to do.

Since the engine came in a day early, had to take off from work unscheduled, my buddy with the truck had to take off from work unscheduled also, go pickup the engine at my wife's workplace before it got buried in the warehouse, then get it into the garage without the benefit of a cherry picker. Ever try to get an engine on a pallet out of the back of a truck without a cherry picker?

This was a little scary


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#1704743 - 12/10/14 09:56 AM Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap [Re: RylisPro]
ntstlgl1970 Offline
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It does, I'm just not ready to spill the beans yet

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#1704744 - 12/10/14 10:03 AM Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap [Re: Frankenduster]
ntstlgl1970 Offline
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Posts: 535
Loc: Sac, CA, USA
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Up late again, Eric?




Greg- you should come by and check this thing out, it's pretty cool

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#1704745 - 12/10/14 10:08 AM Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap [Re: ntstlgl1970]
RylisPro Offline


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470 lbs? Wow I thought it would weigh less than that.
70blackfish posted in another thread that his friends engines weighed around 425 lbs. IIRC

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#1704746 - 12/10/14 11:14 AM Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap [Re: RylisPro]
ntstlgl1970 Offline
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I went and checked the bill of lading and it says ship weight of 500 lbs (it seems odd to be it is exactly 500 lbs but ok!). I've edited my initial post....


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#1704747 - 12/10/14 11:27 AM Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap [Re: ntstlgl1970]
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Alright! ~approx. 420 lbs.!
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#1704748 - 12/10/14 12:32 PM Re: Another Gen-III Hemi E-body swap [Re: ntstlgl1970]
RylisPro Offline


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Hey just a heads up on the Milodon 18336 pickup.
Apparently they don't have enough materials for the tubes so they are on back order for at least 3 weeks.
When I called yesterday the guy said he had three 31003 oil pans just sitting there waiting on a pickup

I know you were looking for one as well
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