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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: Gary Robbins]
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10/31/14 08:07 AM
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I love to play with smallblocks...Come get ya some !!
Show me any street legal smallblock MOPAR in the 4'S in the 1/8 or 7'S on the 1/4 ?? 
There is none. But when Chad gets his w8 turbo deal done I am sure he would race ya!
Come on Brad you can do better than that ...Outlaw big turbo car against mine  ...They don't even allow boost on bigblocks in what I'm racing 
And how much nitrous are you feeding your baby?
Not as much as most or what you think...What's that got to do with anything anyway ??? N/A cars will never keep up with power adder cars as HP is HP any way you figure it !!! 
For a lot of us it has everything to do with it.
I have 4 other cars from 8 second to 12 second quarter mile cars all N/A and none compare to low teen 60' at 3250# on a 275 drag radial...Besides if ya think it's easy come give it a try as the water is only luke warm and so easy even a HILLBILLY from Oklahoma can do it !!
What class?
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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: ademon]
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10/31/14 09:51 AM
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"Does he race the car? Like really race it not once or twice a year. I know of a w8 motor right now you can buy for 5000. You need to know where to look."
plus what does one need for W8? how much stall? Gear? Most BB need 4000-4500 max. You can run 10's w/ 4.10's and you don't need to rev the tar out of it. The engine I have w/ a good intake and Dominator would run low 10's easy in an A-body w/ a 4000 stall and 4.10's. I could drive it 60 miles race and drive it home. I paid 3k for it valley pan to oil pan.
I don't know about low 10's with your motor, your only running mid 11's now! I will agree you would be faster in a tricked out 70 duster or something. Which brings us to the meat of the post your running 11's with a bb and some with sb are running 8's and 9's, are you wanting to pull your motor and stick it in a A body? Probably not, just like guys that are happy running whatever et with a SB couldn't care less about going to a BB.
My setup is far from prefect as it sits. The six-pack is a limiting factor as well as the stall and gear. I haven't even got a run w/ the cal-tracs yet nor have I messed w/ the outboards. Again this is a freshened up motor w/ a bunch of used parts. The SBs you are talking about are all out race motors and cost double or triple what I have and would never run close to 8's or 9's in a 3800lb car. And I have done the B to A body swap. I had a nice 383 that ran 13.20's (spinning)in a full steel 69 Charger, nothing special .030 over 10:1 383, ported 915 heads w/ 1.81, 2.14 valves, 509 cam, headers, torker II, 750DP...usual early 90's build pulled the motor stuck it in a 68 dart (gutted no inner fenders, gutted hood), and it ran 11.98 w/ a suspect trans. Car would have run easy 11.50's w/ a good trans. So I know what a lighter car will do.
$ for $ you won't beat a BB wedge. Sure you can spend a ton of money on a race SB or Hemi but for most of us here those are not options.
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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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10/31/14 09:55 AM
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I love to play with smallblocks...Come get ya some !!
Show me any street legal smallblock MOPAR in the 4'S in the 1/8 or 7'S on the 1/4 ??
There is none. But when Chad gets his w8 turbo deal done I am sure he would race ya!
Come on Brad you can do better than that ...Outlaw big turbo car against mine ...They don't even allow boost on bigblocks in what I'm racing
Bottom 5s is all I know of. If I shead enough weight and push mine off a cliff I might get close to 4s.
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Lets see 32 feet per second per second equals 183 mph depending on altituted  
You'll need an airbag  Matt
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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: MattW]
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10/31/14 10:06 AM
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1. Because all I do is occasionally bracket race and TNT. 2. Its all I have. 3. SB's are are what I have worked on the most That about sums it up 
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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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10/31/14 10:46 AM
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"Does he race the car? Like really race it not once or twice a year. I know of a w8 motor right now you can buy for 5000. You need to know where to look."
plus what does one need for W8? how much stall? Gear? Most BB need 4000-4500 max. You can run 10's w/ 4.10's and you don't need to rev the tar out of it. The engine I have w/ a good intake and Dominator would run low 10's easy in an A-body w/ a 4000 stall and 4.10's. I could drive it 60 miles race and drive it home. I paid 3k for it valley pan to oil pan.
I don't know about low 10's with your motor, your only running mid 11's now! I will agree you would be faster in a tricked out 70 duster or something. Which brings us to the meat of the post your running 11's with a bb and some with sb are running 8's and 9's, are you wanting to pull your motor and stick it in a A body? Probably not, just like guys that are happy running whatever et with a SB couldn't care less about going to a BB.
My setup is far from prefect as it sits. The six-pack is a limiting factor as well as the stall and gear. I haven't even got a run w/ the cal-tracs yet nor have I messed w/ the outboards. Again this is a freshened up motor w/ a bunch of used parts. The SBs you are talking about are all out race motors and cost double or triple what I have and would never run close to 8's or 9's in a 3800lb car. And I have done the B to A body swap. I had a nice 383 that ran 13.20's (spinning)in a full steel 69 Charger, nothing special .030 over 10:1 383, ported 915 heads w/ 1.81, 2.14 valves, 509 cam, headers, torker II, 750DP...usual early 90's build pulled the motor stuck it in a 68 dart (gutted no inner fenders, gutted hood), and it ran 11.98 w/ a suspect trans. Car would have run easy 11.50's w/ a good trans. So I know what a lighter car will do.
$ for $ you won't beat a BB wedge. Sure you can spend a ton of money on a race SB or Hemi but for most of us here those are not options.
Just plugged my motor in your 3800 pound car, wallace spit out 8.94@151. R5P7 Duster has 7000 in his and goes mid nines na where are you getting a big block with type of parts in it for that money? Your not going too. Why do your examples keep getting slower? First you said mid nines, then mid tens now we are all the way down to mid 11s, big difference in those times.
I used to have factory 340 block, mp 3.65 stroke crank(close out 550 new) edelbrock rpms, eagle rods, m1 intake and off the shelf crowler roller. Low dollar motor ran on pump gas and went mid tens na and mid nines on the bottle.
Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads
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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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10/31/14 11:06 AM
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Alright, how fast can I go with an NA pump gas small block that I can run on the street with a 4 speed and 4.56s in my 3700 lb car for 7k?
Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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10/31/14 12:07 PM
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Talking used motors? Indy Maxx low deck aluminum block, with Indy -1 heads, jesel rockers, roller cam, 512 inches dominator to dragster pan and dual line oiling system. 10,500. Slid it right in where my Eddie headed 440 came out. No need for custom adapters, or high dollar 7 inch converters.
I spent 9800 on my small block, and I already had the X block, rockers, pan, valve covers. I'm happy with it so far. If it was a BB, I'd know exactly how much N20 I could hit it with, and how many passes I could abuse it, before it needed freshened, the small block...I don't...yet. The fear of the unknown makes me nervous!
"Livin' in a powder keg and givin' off sparks"
4 Street cars, 5 Race engines
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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: W5DART66]
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10/31/14 02:22 PM
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Simple answer to this question..........POWER is directly rated to air flow.......flow more air, make more power. Now the question to the question, is how much power you want to make.
If your goal is 700hp or less, either can easily do it, with the smallblock in this range only required to be slightly more exotic to achieve these numbers. And in a weight for weight car, the small motor should be quicker because of lighter engine.
If 800hp is what you want, both can still easily do it, but the big block gets more costly and the smallblock gets REALLY costly.
If 900 is your goal, this is big block land......... NOT saying a smallblock won't make 900, it will. But at that level the 900hp small motor will cost WAY more than the 900hp big block and be less reliable.
If you want a good bit over 900hp, this is big block land......PERIOD
Monte
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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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10/31/14 03:38 PM
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Simple answer to this question..........POWER is directly rated to air flow.......flow more air, make more power. Now the question to the question, is how much power you want to make.
If your goal is 700hp or less, either can easily do it, with the smallblock in this range only required to be slightly more exotic to achieve these numbers. And in a weight for weight car, the small motor should be quicker because of lighter engine.
If 800hp is what you want, both can still easily do it, but the big block gets more costly and the smallblock gets REALLY costly.
If 900 is your goal, this is big block land......... NOT saying a smallblock won't make 900, it will. But at that level the 900hp small motor will cost WAY more than the 900hp big block and be less reliable.
If you want a good bit over 900hp, this is big block land......PERIOD
Monte
Is this for na motors? Or would you consider this for power adder motors too.
Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads
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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: fishy340]
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10/31/14 04:13 PM
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MOPAR Pro Stock Chrysler Australia: http://youtu.be/qKSuJ05kclM
And there is a faster one built by Bob Book using Slawko heads...This is why we like sb's
Love everything prostock,doenst mather if its 400 or 500 cui.
Except they make me feel inferior,makes me feel less capable,worth less.
i hate the obivous fact that some people have alot more talent.
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