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Re: R/T just quit on me. No spark. Pertronix??
[Re: wkroncke17]
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Does it have spark?
Does the starter spin?
Toss us a wee bit more info and I'm sure the brain trust will kick in.
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Re: R/T just quit on me. No spark. Pertronix??
[Re: feets]
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08/28/14 12:35 AM
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Does it have spark?
Does the starter spin?
Toss us a wee bit more info and I'm sure the brain trust will kick in.
Sorry...starter spins, it has no spark.
I changed ballast resistor, coil, checked all connections.
Thanks for the assist Feets.
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Re: R/T just quit on me. No spark. Pertronix??
[Re: wkroncke17]
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For a start I'd ohm the P module & see if it has basic continuity and give it a good visual (gap/anything loose or undone). I'm assuming it died while running which'd be on the ign1 (run) circuit & that the ballast was bypassed for the P system. What Stump said if it is still being fed (& likely it is) I'd suspect the P since you have changed out the coil. EDIT I reread & you still have the ballast (& it was replaced). I might be confusing the ballast elimination recommendation with standard MSD install procedure
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Re: R/T just quit on me. No spark. Pertronix??
[Re: RapidRobert]
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08/28/14 09:57 AM
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Try the main harness plugs at the firewalll. I hit a huge bump before & my Charger quit before.
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Re: R/T just quit on me. No spark. Pertronix??
[Re: wkroncke17]
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08/28/14 10:00 AM
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Does it have spark?
Does the starter spin?
Toss us a wee bit more info and I'm sure the brain trust will kick in.
Sorry...starter spins, it has no spark.
I changed ballast resistor, coil, checked all connections.
Thanks for the assist Feets.
Chances are you destroyed the HallCell in the Petronix Module by running it with a ballast resistor
If you should continue to run a Petronix in the future, eliminate the ballast, and make sure to use the correct coil, the Petronix needs to operate at 12 volts, not in diminished capacity
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Re: R/T just quit on me. No spark. Pertronix??
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08/28/14 11:18 AM
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Sorry...starter spins, it has no spark.
I changed ballast resistor, coil, checked all connections.
Thanks for the assist Feets.
Chances are you destroyed the HallCell in the Petronix Module by running it with a ballast resistor
If you should continue to run a Petronix in the future, eliminate the ballast, and make sure to use the correct coil, the Petronix needs to operate at 12 volts, not in diminished capacity
Mike, guys,
Just a heads up on the ballast resistor - the instructions for the OLDER Pertronix Ignitor modules (Part #1361A & 1381A) state "If your ignition system is equipped with a ballast resistor, do not remove it."
The wiring diagram shows the positive side of the coil going through the BR before going to the Ignitor.
However, the troubleshooting section says if you suffer a low voltage condition, to connect the red Ignitor wire to the the ignition side of the ballast resistor, bypassing it - same as you are saying.
The newer Pertronix Ignitor II may have different instructions.?
Cheers,
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Re: R/T just quit on me. No spark. Pertronix??
[Re: dan9]
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08/28/14 12:17 PM
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Is it a conversion or a Pertronix distributor? I have a Pertronix distributor and it doesn't use a ballast resistor. You may be able to bypass the resistor to see if it will start.
I do have the original distributor converted, and the original ballast resistor.
So if I eliminate the BR, what do I do with the wires?
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Re: R/T just quit on me. No spark. Pertronix??
[Re: wkroncke17]
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08/28/14 12:20 PM
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Is it a conversion or a Pertronix distributor? I have a Pertronix distributor and it doesn't use a ballast resistor. You may be able to bypass the resistor to see if it will start.
I do have the original distributor converted, and the original ballast resistor.
So if I eliminate the BR, what do I do with the wires?
On mine, I ran a small jumper wire between the terminals of the ballast resister, so I could leave it in place but skip it, as well as using the terminals for the Pertronix wiring.
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Re: R/T just quit on me. No spark. Pertronix??
[Re: wkroncke17]
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I do have the original distributor converted, and the original ballast resistor.
So if I eliminate the BR, what do I do with the wires?
Take the original ballast resistor and hard wire it from the back side. Then you can leave the wires connected and it will look more original under your hood.
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Re: R/T just quit on me. No spark. Pertronix??
[Re: wkroncke17]
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I have an ignition that doesn't require the ballast. I soldered a jumper across the back of the ballast, shorting it out, so the harness is unmodified.
Treed twice!
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Re: R/T just quit on me. No spark. Pertronix??
[Re: Mopar_Mike]
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08/28/14 12:27 PM
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Is it a conversion or a Pertronix distributor? I have a Pertronix distributor and it doesn't use a ballast resistor. You may be able to bypass the resistor to see if it will start.
I do have the original distributor converted, and the original ballast resistor.
So if I eliminate the BR, what do I do with the wires?
IMO.. throw the Pertronix distributor in the trash.. get either a Mopar electronic conversion kit or if low budget get a good used electronic distributor.
 ... should he get an ORANGE box too ???
Seriously there have been so many issues with MP distributors and phasing for DECADES , hearing now that even the NEW distributors with the adjustable mechanical advance has phasing issues  .
I put my old pertronics set up in a buddies car witha MADE IS USA flame thrower coil , I need to look at the direction and probably switch in a phony ballast, it's running fine right now but I don't wantto burn up the GOOD MADE IN USA parts vs the CCJ they sell now ...
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Re: R/T just quit on me. No spark. Pertronix??
[Re: JohnRR]
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08/29/14 01:18 AM
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Is it a conversion or a Pertronix distributor? I have a Pertronix distributor and it doesn't use a ballast resistor. You may be able to bypass the resistor to see if it will start.
I do have the original distributor converted, and the original ballast resistor.
So if I eliminate the BR, what do I do with the wires?
IMO.. throw the Pertronix distributor in the trash.. get either a Mopar electronic conversion kit or if low budget get a good used electronic distributor.
... should he get an ORANGE box too ???
Seriously there have been so many issues with MP distributors and phasing for DECADES , hearing now that even the NEW distributors with the adjustable mechanical advance has phasing issues .
I put my old pertronics set up in a buddies car witha MADE IS USA flame thrower coil , I need to look at the direction and probably switch in a phony ballast, it's running fine right now but I don't wantto burn up the GOOD MADE IN USA parts vs the CCJ they sell now ...
I am going to stick with the Pertronix, i dont want that big ugly orange box under the hood.
I had it wired through the ballast - thank you for the tips on how to jump it.
I also have the wrong coil. The manufacturer reccommends using a 1.5 ohm coil, i have a 0.6 ohm coil.
I'll have the new parts tomorrow, i'll let everyone know how it goes.
Thanks again boys.
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Re: R/T just quit on me. No spark. Pertronix??
[Re: wkroncke17]
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08/29/14 02:51 PM
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I am going to stick with the Pertronix, i dont want that big ugly orange box under the hood.
I had it wired through the ballast - thank you for the tips on how to jump it.
I also have the wrong coil. The manufacturer reccommends using a 1.5 ohm coil, i have a 0.6 ohm coil.
I'll have the new parts tomorrow, i'll let everyone know how it goes.
Thanks again boys.
It just needs 1.5 ohms total to protect the pertronix. If you were running a 0.6 coil with a ballast resistor that makes up the difference, you're fine. I think the 1.5 ohm coil without the ballast resistor is a better scenario, but I don't see how the way you had it would hurt it or cause it not to spark (it would just be a potentially weaker spark). I think you've got a problem somewhere else.
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Re: R/T just quit on me. No spark. Pertronix??
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OP make sure your source provides 12 volts to the petronix unit when hot. I had a car that ran well for a time, 30 minutes or so, then once things were good and heat soaked it died. When hot my source had less than 12 volts. Was fine cold.
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Re: R/T just quit on me. No spark. Pertronix??
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OP make sure your source provides 12 volts to the petronix unit when hot. I had a car that ran well for a time, 30 minutes or so, then once things were good and heat soaked it died. When hot my source had less than 12 volts. Was fine cold.
I let the car sit overnight, tried it the next day, and still no spark.
Should a volt tester on the + side of the coil give me voltage?
Man I'm not good with this electrical stuff......
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Re: R/T just quit on me. No spark. Pertronix??
[Re: wkroncke17]
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OP make sure your source provides 12 volts to the petronix unit when hot. I had a car that ran well for a time, 30 minutes or so, then once things were good and heat soaked it died. When hot my source had less than 12 volts. Was fine cold.
I let the car sit overnight, tried it the next day, and still no spark.
Should a volt tester on the + side of the coil give me voltage?
Man I'm not good with this electrical stuff......
Keep in mind, that during "troubleshooting", if you leave the key/ignition in the run/on mode for more than 20 seconds at a time WITHOUT THE ENGINE RUNNING, you run the risk of damaging the Petronix HallCell
At this point, I say cut your losses, scrap everything, upgrade to an Ignitor II Petronix conversion in a new/rebuilt Chrysler dist., along with the correct Flame Thrower II coil (I'd recommend the epoxy filled unit), and eliminate the ballast resistor, use a copper terminal cap only, no solid core plug wires
Mike
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