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60 ft calculation #1656880
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At the track now the car 60 ft is 1.38
440 chrysler 4.1 rears ported Indy Sr 276@ .050 roller
thinkin out loud would I be crazy to think it should run faster than 10.37

Re: 60 ft calculation [Re: dodgeram1998] #1656881
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You can take a look at the Wallest site and get a fair idea
http://www.wallaceracing.com/Calculators.htm

Re: 60 ft calculation [Re: dodgeram1998] #1656882
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1.38 is a "typical " n/a high 9 sec lap. You have excellent reason to be optimistic.


69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8

Re: 60 ft calculation [Re: dodgeram1998] #1656883
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I think you're doing ok. I bracket raced a w-2 360 Challenger @ 2,800 lbs and had high 1.37 - 1.40 60's running 10.20's @ 129 - 131.

If footbraking, fine tuning the squirters and pump cams may help. Tuning for a trans brake would be a bit different which I'm not familiar with.

Stock and Super Stock cars usually have even better 60's for the ET for various reasons, mainly through a lot of work with everything. (Experimenting with cams, converters, gears, shocks, etc.) I've had high 1.40 60' times with 11.20's @ 115-117 weighing 3,540 lbs +, but there are harder leaving cars in Stock with similar ET's & MPH.


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Fuel is steady at 6.5. Gonna do some checkin around just seen timing was 42 backed it down to 36 now to make another pass
93 jet pri 103 sec e85 1050
mph is 130 .5

Re: 60 ft calculation [Re: dodgeram1998] #1656885
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Fuel is steady at 6.5. Gonna do some checkin around just seen timing was 42 backed it down to 36 now to make another pass
93 jet pri 103 sec e85 1050
mph is 130 .5




try it with just a little less timing.. with E-85 you
can try more jet.. keep jetting up till you see the
mph drop then back it down a couple... one thing at
at time

Re: 60 ft calculation [Re: dodgeram1998] #1656886
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What does the car weight? What is your 1/8th mile ET and mph? What stall converter?

There could be a lot of reasons why a 60 ft, mph and ET are not "in line" with each other.

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3375 w/driver
103.5 mph @ 1/8
8"flash stall @5100
convertor Is what I suspect? still sorting out as
timing change from , jet change, ,shift point resulted same 1/4 only a .005 et difference
mph stays 130.15
weird eh?

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weight of car , a lighter car will 60 better

Re: 60 ft calculation [Re: dodgeram1998] #1656889
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What are the rest of the numbers??

what car cubic inch and shift points MPH gain from 1/8 to 1/4 looks good maybe your short shifting.

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Re: 60 ft calculation [Re: dodgeram1998] #1656890
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With a 446 inch those heads and 276 roller you would probably keep picking up all the way to a 8200 shift point.

and it will want lots of total timing?? How much is timing rolling back when you hit the throttle?

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Re: 60 ft calculation [Re: Dodgem] #1656891
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not sure if I understand " how much timing is rolling back when I hit the throttle"
ignition timing is locked out

Re: 60 ft calculation [Re: dodgeram1998] #1656892
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Quote:

3375 w/driver
103.5 mph @ 1/8
8"flash stall @5100
convertor Is what I suspect? still sorting out as
timing change from , jet change, ,shift point resulted same 1/4 only a .005 et difference
mph stays 130.15
weird eh?




Your not doing to bad IMO, maybe just a touch slower then the numbers indicate.

1.38/39 is about 10.20

130.5 MPH is about 10.25

Your picking up 26.5 MPH on the back half, so thats very good IMO. Its not your vert. it seems to be working great. Have you ran at more then just one track?

Re: 60 ft calculation [Re: Sport440] #1656893
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I disagree that 1.38 equates to 10.20.. .... Way to many variables involved to make that statement.
My old car(3350 race weight) most often went 1.36-38 60 foots on 9 sec passes.
As another example I know 340 Ricks gen3 Challenger goes mid/ high 1.3xx while running 9.60's.
Compression, suspension, weight, and other factors contribute as well.
At 3375 pounds, that 1.38 would absolutely not hinder a much better time slip.



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418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8

Re: 60 ft calculation [Re: dodgeram1998] #1656894
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Quote:

not sure if I understand " how much timing is rolling back when I hit the throttle"
ignition timing is locked out




You may have the timing set at 38 but when you hit the throttle it may roll back as slack comes out of things 2 to 7 degrees and sometimes more.
So you have to watch as you whack throttle to see what it does.

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Re: 60 ft calculation [Re: Sport440] #1656895
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first outing with this combo

Re: 60 ft calculation [Re: Dodgem] #1656896
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I will recheck the timing for good measure (gear drive). I have only whacked the throttle up to say 2000 rpm in setting the timing.
Whats strange is the car saw no time slip change with short shifting at 6700 or 6000, jet change, only timing change from 42 down to 36 netted me a minus .5 mile an hour
Gonna be looking at the burn at the ground strap on the plugs next if there hot enough

Re: 60 ft calculation [Re: dodgeram1998] #1656897
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My junk runs 130 mph at the stripe - and I can only dream of 1.3X 60's at 4200#.
I'm running 10.50s. LOL

Good luck with it - I'm sure you'll get that ET wittled down in no time!

Re: 60 ft calculation [Re: dodgeram1998] #1656898
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I set my timing at 43 but if you whack the throttle good you can see it backs up to 39 ish.

You need lots of advance on that cam and lots of rpms I ran a 272/282 .700 lift 110 LSA in my 452 installed at 100 and it loved 7600 to 7800 shifts.

Same combo now with 255/263 .700 lift 108 LSA installed at 103 runs same times with 7200 shifts.

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Last pass of the nite, just pass the 1/8 I think i saw my fuel pressure dropped to 3-4 pounds . Oops fuel delivery I am suspicious issues found.cell non vented,
return line pressure isolated today discovered is registering 3 pound i guess pretty bad for a mallory 4309 regulAtor and hoping to get rid of some fittings in return line.. install the fuel return on the side of the fuel cell to rid restrictions if its compliant with the rule books??
My secondary power valve was installed not blocked off
And my 02 sensor went dead on me as I got to the track lol
will fix what I have found to be suspect
Conan cOnvertor tech thinks my convertor works good up to this point unless proven wrong with logged data
thanks guys

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