440 Fluctuating Idle Speed
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Hey guys, I have a '73 model 440 that suddenly wants to drop from around 1200 rpm to about 500 rpm while idling and then return back to 1200 and then drop again. If I put it in drive the rpm will drop all the way down to about 300. I tried putting new plugs and wires in. Now it just does it more rapidly. I used the Champion Copper Plus RJ12YC plugs that did seem a little shorter than the Autolites that I took out, but they were the recommended plugs from Auto Zone. I've never had this problem before. I put a light on the engine and got it adjusted where it sounds pretty smooth and then the rpm will just plummet. I thought maybe the fuel filter, but it is fairly new. I haven't tried cleaning the carb. Any thoughts would be appreciated. I'm still a rookie when it comes to engines just fair warning Thanks!
-ERIC
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Re: 440 Fluctuating Idle Speed
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Take out the idle mixture screws (count the # of turns to easily return them to their orig position) and shoot a 3 second blast of starting fluid into each hole (need the thin red straw to get it in there good) then replace the screws. If that ain't it then I would go thru the carb
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Re: 440 Fluctuating Idle Speed
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Thanks for your replies. While the engine was running I pulled a spark plug wire and nothing happened. I pulled another one and nothing happened. Then I pulled one more and the RPMs dropped. So I now know that at least two of my plugs/wires aren't sparking. I tried putting a different plug in but it made no difference. So it's either the wires (which are brand new) or maybe the distributor cap (which is only a few months old). So confused..
-ERIC
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Re: 440 Fluctuating Idle Speed
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Hook your timing light clamp to both of the offending plug wires (1 at a time) see if the light flashes. Next time I'd suggest grounding plug wires rather than pullling them off as electronics do not like open circuits & grounding/opening the circuit will disable it effectively the same (to check the RPM drop)
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Re: 440 Fluctuating Idle Speed
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Are you running vacuum advance on the distributor? If so, disconnect it and plug the carb side connection. Reset the idle speed and see if the fluctuating idle goes away.
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Re: 440 Fluctuating Idle Speed
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Never mind.I read the rest of the posts and changed my mind. find the cause of the dead cylinders. Intermittant wire? You might try swapping wires/ or plugs to see if the problem follows the wire. Look inside the cap. Check for burned wire.
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Re: 440 Fluctuating Idle Speed
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Clean the idle circuits as described above, one side of the carb is trying to have clogged idle circuit. Rebuild it if this doesnt work.
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Re: 440 Fluctuating Idle Speed
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Thank you all again for your comments. I think the carb is fine because I believe it is an electrical issue. At least two spark plugs are not firing. But I will probably give the carb a good clean anyway. It can't hurt anything. I had my ignition coil tested and the primary winding was in good shape but the secondary was week so I purchased a new coil and installed it but the idle is still fluctuating. It will idle normal for a few seconds, then drop rpm for a few seconds. Normal, then drop. It's consistent. So I now have a new coil, new plugs, new wires, new distributor, and a new cap & rotor. The car ran perfect before I took it to my buddy's shop to get some body work done. I drove it home which was a good 25 minute drive and it handled it fine until I pulled into the driveway and it stalled out on me. Hasn't ran the same since. I had been tinkering with the timing and the air/fuel mixture off and on for a couple of months but the fluctuating idle started happening just recently. Thanks again for the help! I feel like I'm narrowing it down. It's only a matter of time before it hits the road again
-ERIC
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Re: 440 Fluctuating Idle Speed
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Can I persuade you to shoot some starting fluid in the idle mixture screw ports
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Re: 440 Fluctuating Idle Speed
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Make sure the throttle cable and the carb throttle blades/linkage/fast idle linkage ain't sticking & if good there then I'd open the carb
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Re: 440 Fluctuating Idle Speed
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Here is a picture of the port I was mentioning above. Is this where I hook up the vacuum gauge? The gauge only has one line and there's three ports. And is this thing supposed to be plugged? Thanks
-ERIC
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Re: 440 Fluctuating Idle Speed
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Thank you Lars. I will plug two of them up and hook up my vacuum gauge. That should make adjusting the mixture screws a lot easier. I'll be sure to plug it back up when I'm done. I will see about getting a pcv valve and see if that helps the performance any.
-ERIC
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