Hughes Whiplash cam testimony.
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Just installed, broke in, and test drove the 69 Cuda with a Hughes Whiplash cam in it. Motor is a 100% factory '70 340 motor right down to the cast iron exhaust manifolds. I was looking for a cam that not only ran better, but sounded much manlier. Kevin at Hughes Engines talked me into the Whiplash cam for the 340. The sound is somewhere between a 284 and a 292 purple cam (which is very healthy), but I'm holding between 8 and 10 inches of vacuum. With the stock cam, the car would spin about 3/4 the way through 1st gear with my peg leg 3:23s (about to be replaced), but now it will spin far into 2nd gear. The low end is amazing compared to before, but it pulls really hard to at least 5500. I don't have timeslips yet, but I can tell that it has the stock 340 cam beat all through the RPM range, and has a radical idle that turns heads. I hadn't heard much about the Whiplash before I bought mine, but I took and chance and I couldn't be happier with it. In the next few weeks, the car will get TTI headers/exhaust and a 3:91 sure grip, so it should pick up a good deal from that too. I will post video soon with sound before and after. Just thought I would share in case anyone else was considering a Whiplash. P.S. Link on my signature is from the old cam, not the new Whiplash.
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Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony.
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Just installed, broke in, and test drove the 69 Cuda with a Hughes Whiplash cam in it. Motor is a 100% factory '70 340 motor right down to the cast iron exhaust manifolds. I was looking for a cam that not only ran better, but sounded much manlier. Kevin at Hughes Engines talked me into the Whiplash cam for the 340. The sound is somewhere between a 284 and a 292 purple cam (which is very healthy), but I'm holding between 8 and 10 inches of vacuum. With the stock cam, the car would spin about 3/4 the way through 1st gear with my peg leg 3:23s (about to be replaced), but now it will spin far into 2nd gear. The low end is amazing compared to before, but it pulls really hard to at least 5500. I don't have timeslips yet, but I can tell that it has the stock 340 cam beat all through the RPM range, and has a radical idle that turns heads. I hadn't heard much about the Whiplash before I bought mine, but I took and chance and I couldn't be happier with it. In the next few weeks, the car will get TTI headers/exhaust and a 3:91 sure grip, so it should pick up a good deal from that too. I will post video soon with sound before and after. Just thought I would share in case anyone else was considering a Whiplash.
P.S. Link on my signature is from the old cam, not the new Whiplash.
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Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony.
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cool!!! glad to hear results on a whiplash cam I want to get specs on a whiplash roller cam looks like I will be calling kevin real soon also yea a before an after sound clip,thats the ticket
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Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony.
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good luck, hope it holds up better than there other cams
Me too, mine is five years old and still running strong .
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good luck, hope it holds up better than there other cams
that might be a little uncalled for . the only problem i have with my hughes cam is keeping the front wheels down. how about a 5.91 1/8mi? it has over 116mph. yeah, bad cams
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If you don't know who ground the Hughes cam and who ground your current cam its hard to predict the outcome. I don't think either have purchased a cam grinder or made lobe masters as of today. For the original poster the "Whiplash" cams are a response to comps "Thumper" line,tigher LSA on small lobes for a street car that needs to sound tough.
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Just installed, broke in, and test drove the 69 Cuda with a Hughes Whiplash cam in it. Motor is a 100% factory '70 340 motor right down to the cast iron exhaust manifolds. I was looking for a cam that not only ran better, but sounded much manlier. Kevin at Hughes Engines talked me into the Whiplash cam for the 340. The sound is somewhere between a 284 and a 292 purple cam (which is very healthy), but I'm holding between 8 and 10 inches of vacuum. With the stock cam, the car would spin about 3/4 the way through 1st gear with my peg leg 3:23s (about to be replaced), but now it will spin far into 2nd gear. The low end is amazing compared to before, but it pulls really hard to at least 5500. I don't have timeslips yet, but I can tell that it has the stock 340 cam beat all through the RPM range, and has a radical idle that turns heads. I hadn't heard much about the Whiplash before I bought mine, but I took and chance and I couldn't be happier with it. In the next few weeks, the car will get TTI headers/exhaust and a 3:91 sure grip, so it should pick up a good deal from that too. I will post video soon with sound before and after. Just thought I would share in case anyone else was considering a Whiplash.
P.S. Link on my signature is from the old cam, not the new Whiplash.
I guess "how cool it sounds" is something we all want, but this is the Race forum, isn't it? I don't know of any tracks that award wins based on how cool a car sounds, or how far it can "spin" (although this does sound alot like how they award wins for drifting , doesn't it?).??
With that admittedly flaming response said, I too am planning a Hughes cam in my next build.
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Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony.
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I am skeptical also I dont get how it idles like a funny car and drive like a good street bruzer is it just the high lift and short dur that duz this,of course I dont know how the # work on any of them...how is it better than the voodoo series cams never mind,I will just try it for the funny car idle,I hardly see over 70mph and and most cruzin is 2000rpms and I like to idle a round the cruz in posing to be fast for the 3/4 cam crowd.... I will go back over to the 3/4 cam forum now
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The cam sounds "nasty" and makes the car shake or what not because it has a narrow LSA of 106. Used to be how the old race stuff was, very narrow. Now many aftermarket manufacturers are going to wider LSA's of 110 or 112.
I'd rather have people think my car is slow, and prove them wrong, than for my car to sound radical, but have little to back it up.
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Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony.
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I am skeptical also
I dont get how it idles like a funny car and drive like a good street bruzer
is it just the high lift and short dur that duz this,of course I dont know how the # work on any of them...how is it better than the voodoo series cams
Before people started grinding cams for streetable manners AND a radical lope, the narrow LSA angle was required on a long duration cam because after all, there are only 360 degrees in a circle. In a shorter duration cam there was no reason to grind in such a narrow LSA (which means major overlap)....UNLESS, a radical idle was your goal!!!!!
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basically, yes. a narrow LSA will also give you a slightly more peak torque, but the torque curve won't be as flat, and the powerband will drop off quicker, so while peak torque might be more, average torque over say 2000-6000 might end up slightly less than a cam identical in spec except LSA.
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The cam sounds "nasty" and makes the car shake or what not because it has a narrow LSA of 106. Used to be how the old race stuff was, very narrow. Now many aftermarket manufacturers are going to wider LSA's of 110 or 112.
I'd rather have people think my car is slow, and prove them wrong, than for my car to sound radical, but have little to back it up.
And with the low manifold vaccum it will cause hell if you have power brakes!
I am holding between 8" and 10" of vacuum with my Whiplash. How much more do you need for your brakes?
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im at 6" to 7" in drive with power brakes.
245/250 @.050 and 265/275 lift. brakes work fine with vacuum res. thats wit ha 108 lsa. runs great but you need converter, gears, headers, and a port job sure did help A LOT
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you must have had a bad check valve or booster. i tell you FACT, my brakes are AWESOME with 7" . it wasnt too bad before I put the vacuum resevoir in. it worked but if I was in traffic, I could feel it after a few steps on the pedal.
now, I dont notice it a bit. but then again, I dont drive in traffic where I am stopped for a 1/2 hour or more
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Just installed, broke in, and test drove the 69 Cuda with a Hughes Whiplash cam in it. Motor is a 100% factory '70 340 motor right down to the cast iron exhaust manifolds. I was looking for a cam that not only ran better, but sounded much manlier. Kevin at Hughes Engines talked me into the Whiplash cam for the 340. The sound is somewhere between a 284 and a 292 purple cam (which is very healthy), but I'm holding between 8 and 10 inches of vacuum. With the stock cam, the car would spin about 3/4 the way through 1st gear with my peg leg 3:23s (about to be replaced), but now it will spin far into 2nd gear. The low end is amazing compared to before, but it pulls really hard to at least 5500. I don't have timeslips yet, but I can tell that it has the stock 340 cam beat all through the RPM range, and has a radical idle that turns heads. I hadn't heard much about the Whiplash before I bought mine, but I took and chance and I couldn't be happier with it. In the next few weeks, the car will get TTI headers/exhaust and a 3:91 sure grip, so it should pick up a good deal from that too. I will post video soon with sound before and after. Just thought I would share in case anyone else was considering a Whiplash.
P.S. Link on my signature is from the old cam, not the new Whiplash.
I guess "how cool it sounds" is something we all want, but this is the Race forum, isn't it? I don't know of any tracks that award wins based on how cool a car sounds, or how far it can "spin" (although this does sound alot like how they award wins for drifting , doesn't it?).??
With that admittedly flaming response said, I too am planning a Hughes cam in my next build.
Lowest ET. Highest vacuum. Smoothest idle. In that order!
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good luck, hope it holds up better than there other cams
Me too, mine is five years old and still running strong .
if you had trouble with a Hughes cam you either got a bad one or did something wrong. We cant kill them and make big power with them.
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this is the Race forum, isn't it?
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this is the Race forum, isn't it?
Used to be...
Well... its not quite Speedtalk... but i'm thinking ov getting one ov these cams for my hotrod... which i fully intend on racing, and often. Does that count...???
Dont think i'm getting my question answered anyways.
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this is the Race forum, isn't it?
Used to be...
Well... its not quite Speedtalk... but i'm thinking ov getting one ov these cams for my hotrod... which i fully intend on racing, and often. Does that count...???
Dont think i'm getting my question answered anyways.
Ov course it does. As far as the question you asked that no one gave on the 8.5 ratio My guess is larger CC heads? I know that in the years i have played with 340's some had taller deck hights and I have a set of J heads that are 74cc's those 2 alone would bump you way down in compression. As I said I is a guess on my part that the OP had his piston way down as far as deck hight and not the .020 above like a perfect blue printed block would be and the CC of the heads were large as some run...........
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Gonna resurrect this old thread because i'd like this answered. Would big block be different?
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Question for anyone who has installed the whiplash cam in a low compression 340 (mine is a 73), are there any problems with clearance with the stock valve guides or did you have to have them machined down? How about piston to valve clearance?
Also, OA5599, when those Whiplash videos were taken, did you have any head work done? Or is that a stock top end with the RPM intake?
Also, you say 8.5:1 CR with your combo, yet its a 70 340...??? I know the factory ratings were optimistic, but down 2 whole points...???
Just trying to get an idea ov what i'll get from this cam in a stock 67 383.
Sorry it took a few days to answer. But the low down on my old 70 short block is that it was rebuilt by the previous owner back in the 90s with low octane in mind as opposed to time slips. There were no clearance issues when it was installed, and the recommended Hughes springs and lifers were used with it. We drove it for 2 trouble free years with the Whiplash, and were very pleased. At the time of the videos, and the whole time the cam was in it, the heads had not been touched. Best 1/8 mile was 8.17 and best 1/4 was 12.96 at 104.2. Terrific street manners and plenty of vacuum. The only reason it was changed earlier this year was due to our dream stroker being installed. If we ever get another mild street car, it will be getting a Whiplash, too. If you have any more questions, let me know.
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Gonna resurrect this old thread because i'd like this answered. Would big block be different?
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Question for anyone who has installed the whiplash cam in a low compression 340 (mine is a 73), are there any problems with clearance with the stock valve guides or did you have to have them machined down? How about piston to valve clearance?
Also, OA5599, when those Whiplash videos were taken, did you have any head work done? Or is that a stock top end with the RPM intake?
Also, you say 8.5:1 CR with your combo, yet its a 70 340...??? I know the factory ratings were optimistic, but down 2 whole points...???
Just trying to get an idea ov what i'll get from this cam in a stock 67 383.
Sorry it took a few days to answer. But the low down on my old 70 short block is that it was rebuilt by the previous owner back in the 90s with low octane in mind as opposed to time slips. There were no clearance issues when it was installed, and the recommended Hughes springs and lifers were used with it. We drove it for 2 trouble free years with the Whiplash, and were very pleased. At the time of the videos, and the whole time the cam was in it, the heads had not been touched. Best 1/8 mile was 8.17 and best 1/4 was 12.96 at 104.2. Terrific street manners and plenty of vacuum. The only reason it was changed earlier this year was due to our dream stroker being installed. If we ever get another mild street car, it will be getting a Whiplash, too. If you have any more questions, let me know.
that's your video on youtube!? I found it a few weeks ago when I was looking for some whiplash cam videos. I've got a 5.9L coming with that cam in it, can't wait to drop it into my Dakota.
hoping for 13s with it. I ran a 14.61 with the 5.2 and a cam, but I knew there was more in it with the 5.2
by the way, where did you record that video? I want to drive that road!
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