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Hydraulic Roller in RB #1585170 02/27/14 09:26 PM 02/27/14 09:26 PM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 576 Texas C ChevyTS OP mopar
ChevyTS OP mopar C Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 576 Texas	I recently read an article online about a 440 build that was going to use a retro roller conversion. Landy told the builders that a 440 block requires to many oiling system mods to use hydraulic roller lifters. Any ideas what mods he might be referring to? http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/articles/mopar/bigblock/0107phr_bbmopar/

Re: Hydraulic Roller in RB [Re: ChevyTS] #1585171 02/27/14 11:06 PM 02/27/14 11:06 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	I dont know any mods that would have to be done... it has the oil galley for the lifters... most you would LIKE to do is bushings in the lifter bores but not a mandatory thing... I'm sure one of the guys that has done it will chime in

Re: Hydraulic Roller in RB [Re: ChevyTS] #1585172 02/27/14 11:22 PM 02/27/14 11:22 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA S StealthWedge67 master
StealthWedge67 master S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA	Someone who's done it will have the answers.... I'm immagining that the height of the lifter body may not jive with the oil galley, which would be required for pressurizing the lifter. Why go to a hydraulic roller? Cost vs. advantage is not worth it to me. A flat tappet solid will out-perform a hydraulic roller, and be much more reliable... Just sayin'. LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120

Re: Hydraulic Roller in RB [Re: ChevyTS] #1585173 02/28/14 12:42 AM 02/28/14 12:42 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,050 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,050 Oregon	No idea what Landy is talking about, a hyd roller setup works just fine in a big block Mopar. Perhaps it was a special racing situation or something where bolt on parts weren't going to work.

Re: Hydraulic Roller in RB [Re: AndyF] #1585174 02/28/14 12:55 AM 02/28/14 12:55 AM
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Triggerfish top fuel T Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,954 Blairsden, CA	Quote: No idea what Landy is talking about, a hyd roller setup works just fine in a big block Mopar. Perhaps it was a special racing situation or something where bolt on parts weren't going to work. I had a Crane Hyd roller in my 440 & it worked fine. My bro had the same cam in his 440 & had issues with a valve tip breaking after about a year. ALmost dropped a valve & it might be that the builder didn't install a cam button.

Re: Hydraulic Roller in RB [Re: Triggerfish] #1585175 02/28/14 01:39 AM 02/28/14 01:39 AM
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RapidusMaximus top fuel Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 2,412 Weatherford, Texas	Don't know if it's true with a hyd roller but with a solid roller my experience was that you had to run a solid body lifter or you would lose oil pressure when the "cut-out" on the lifter came up out of the lifter bore...didn't realize what i had done and ran it that way for a season with low idle oil pressure, put solid body comps in the next season and oil pressure went back to normal, only then did I figure out what I had done. 1968 Plymouth GTX 1974 Dodge P/U Long Bed Stepside 318 2019 Ram 2500 6.4, auto, 4WD

Re: Hydraulic Roller in RB [Re: RapidusMaximus] #1585176 02/28/14 05:37 AM 02/28/14 05:37 AM
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jyrki master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,933 Finalnd, Perkele	The lift is usually limited because of the oil galley thing, typically at around 0.54" with 1.5 rockers. Plynouth VIP '67 TT IC EFI

Re: Hydraulic Roller in RB [Re: ChevyTS] #1585177 02/28/14 11:45 AM 02/28/14 11:45 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY CompWedgeEngines master
CompWedgeEngines master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY	Quote: I recently read an article online about a 440 build that was going to use a retro roller conversion. Landy told the builders that a 440 block requires to many oiling system mods to use hydraulic roller lifters. Any ideas what mods he might be referring to? http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/articles/mopar/bigblock/0107phr_bbmopar/ Not really sure either, what Landy would be concerned with in this type of application. ...I've got quite a few of them out there running just fine. RIP Monte Smith Your work is a reflection of yourself, autograph it with quality. WD for Diamond Pistons,Sidewinder cylinder heads, Wiseco, K1 rods and cranks,BAM lifters, Morel lifters, Molnar Technologies, Harland Sharp, Pro Gear, Cometic, King Engine Bearings and many others.

Re: Hydraulic Roller in RB [Re: ChevyTS] #1585178 02/28/14 12:15 PM 02/28/14 12:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	At the time that article was published, I don't remember there being commonly availalbe hydraulic roller lifters for BB Mopars. Most of the "retro-fit" hyd. rollers for Mopars came out years later.

Re: Hydraulic Roller in RB [Re: AndyF] #1585179 02/28/14 01:55 PM 02/28/14 01:55 PM
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HYPER8oSoNic top fuel H Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker	Quote: No idea what Landy is talking about, a hyd roller setup works just fine in a big block Mopar. Perhaps it was a special racing situation or something where bolt on parts weren't going to work. Andy, you are on to something in your last statement of your post. Could be that the lifters were not Mopar spec' back then in Landys' heyday? The lift factor with the early heads as well as the slow popularity of running roller cams vs. solids back then? And a lot of oiling system parts were developed then to better the 4-5 quart pan/oiling system found on most factory performance RB motors (save for Max Wedge), which may have carried over from the HEMI engine. Food for thought And.. "The Times, They Are a Changing" and have changed...BUT not by much!! Last edited by HYPER8oSoNic; 02/28/14 01:57 PM. "Stupidity is Ignorance on Steroids" "Yeah, it's hopped to over 160" (quote by Kowalski in the movie Vanishing Point 1970 - Cupid Productions)

Re: Hydraulic Roller in RB [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #1585180 02/28/14 02:45 PM 02/28/14 02:45 PM
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dogdays I Live Here D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376	Unfortunately, Landy's advice in the later years was often for the birds. His column in one of the Mopar magazines was usually good for a laugh. R.

Re: Hydraulic Roller in RB [Re: dogdays] #1585181 02/28/14 03:49 PM 02/28/14 03:49 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker H HYPER8oSoNic top fuel
HYPER8oSoNic top fuel H Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker	Quote: Unfortunately, Landy's advice in the later years was often for the birds. His column in one of the Mopar magazines was usually good for a laugh. R. with ya! Once again, out with old - in with new!! "Stupidity is Ignorance on Steroids" "Yeah, it's hopped to over 160" (quote by Kowalski in the movie Vanishing Point 1970 - Cupid Productions)

Re: Hydraulic Roller in RB [Re: dogdays] #1585182 02/28/14 03:55 PM 02/28/14 03:55 PM
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dezduster pro stock D Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,238 Nevada	Quote: Unfortunately, Landy's advice in the later years was often for the birds. His column in one of the Mopar magazines was usually good for a laugh. R. WOW! I would hope you are judging as you would want to be judged. I typically am harsh while one is alive and able to defend ones self. After someone passes I always see them for who they actually were. If I can find nothing good to say about them I'll say nothing. Dick Landy is not a foot note to the MOPAR history but an entire chapter, He is also one who is noted throughout the MOPAR book and in other legends chapters as well. Don't go chopping at his achievements so you will feel taller next to them, GET TO ACHIEVING!!

Re: Hydraulic Roller in RB [Re: ChevyTS] #1585183 02/28/14 04:20 PM 02/28/14 04:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,877 Rio Linda, CA John_Kunkel Too Many Posts
John_Kunkel Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,877 Rio Linda, CA	Landy's advice might have been about using factory SB lifters in a BB, the oil groove being exposed at max lift is a known issue with some lifters. The INTERNET, the MISinformation superhighway

Re: Hydraulic Roller in RB [Re: ChevyTS] #1585184 02/28/14 11:28 PM 02/28/14 11:28 PM
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451Mopar master Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado	That article was from 2003, and I don't recall anyone selling a retro-fit hydraulic roller type lifter back then? I have the Comp XE286HR Hydraulic roller in mt 505" stroked 440, and haven't had any issues with it.

Re: Hydraulic Roller in RB [Re: ChevyTS] #1585185 03/01/14 12:20 AM 03/01/14 12:20 AM
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CRIKEY super gas C Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 702 OZ	either run pushrod oiling or OEM rocker oiling dont run both

Re: Hydraulic Roller in RB [Re: 451Mopar] #1585186 03/01/14 12:26 AM 03/01/14 12:26 AM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 576 Texas C ChevyTS OP mopar
ChevyTS OP mopar C Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 576 Texas	On this subject. Any concerns with the howards retro rollers for the b/rb?

Re: Hydraulic Roller in RB [Re: ChevyTS] #1585187 03/01/14 02:02 PM 03/01/14 02:02 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,050 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,050 Oregon	It might have just been typical Landy mumble jumble used to confuse the magazine guys so he could get an advantage. Looks like it worked, Landy was able to run a solid roller and the other guys had to run hyd roller cams. If a world championship was on the line then Landy would've bushed the block and run Chevy hyd roller lifters in a heartbeat.

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