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Possible Hydrolock Issue #1582623 02/22/14 11:29 PM 02/22/14 11:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,286 IN G GTX4spd OP pro stock
GTX4spd OP pro stock G Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,286 IN	My idiot brother hydroplaned my sister's '01 Ford Sport Trak into a water-filled ditch Thursday night. I took a look at it today & couldn't detect water in the cylinders but the intake plenum was very wet so I used the shop vac on that. Tried to turn it over (with the starter) to see if water would shoot out of the cylinders but it doesn't move, sounds like a dead battery or bad starter. Checked the battery & it's good, no reason to suspect the starter. Does it sound like it's hydrolocked? Never had this issue before so any input would be welcomed. "Gentlemen, we must all hang together, or surely, we shall all hang seperately."--Benjamin Franklin www.wwnboa.org if you're interested in '62-'74 B-Bodies

Re: Possible Hydrolock Issue [Re: GTX4spd] #1582624 02/22/14 11:43 PM 02/22/14 11:43 PM
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,318 Ohio J jlatessa pro stock
jlatessa pro stock J Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,318 Ohio	Drain the oil pan, pull the plugs and crank it, that should expel any excess water. if hasn't been wet too long, fill her up with oil put the plugs in and give it a go. Joe

Re: Possible Hydrolock Issue [Re: GTX4spd] #1582625 02/22/14 11:44 PM 02/22/14 11:44 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,830 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,830 Kirkland, Washington	Pull the plugs, then turn it over. Also take close look at the oil.

Re: Possible Hydrolock Issue [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1582626 02/22/14 11:46 PM 02/22/14 11:46 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,286 IN G GTX4spd OP pro stock
GTX4spd OP pro stock G Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,286 IN	Yeah, I pulled the plugs & tried to crank it but got nothing. Didn't try cranking it manually yet, just not feeling up to it. "Gentlemen, we must all hang together, or surely, we shall all hang seperately."--Benjamin Franklin www.wwnboa.org if you're interested in '62-'74 B-Bodies

Re: Possible Hydrolock Issue [Re: GTX4spd] #1582627 02/22/14 11:57 PM 02/22/14 11:57 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,168 Vancouver, WA MoparMarq super stock
MoparMarq super stock Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,168 Vancouver, WA	(Glad I'm not the only one with an idiot brother...)

Re: Possible Hydrolock Issue [Re: MoparMarq] #1582628 02/22/14 11:58 PM 02/22/14 11:58 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,830 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,830 Kirkland, Washington	Quote: (Glad I'm not the only one with an idiot brother...) I wish mine was only an idiot.

Re: Possible Hydrolock Issue [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1582629 02/23/14 12:22 AM 02/23/14 12:22 AM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,089 st.cloud fl D d-150 Smarter than a 5th grader?
d-150 Smarter than a 5th grader? D Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,089 st.cloud fl	bought a 92 dakota 318 that sucked water ,was locked up.bent rod and bad piston. could also have bent valves

Re: Possible Hydrolock Issue [Re: d-150] #1582630 02/23/14 12:39 AM 02/23/14 12:39 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O 70Cuda383 Too Many Posts
70Cuda383 Too Many Posts Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O	If it won't crank by the starter and the battery is charged, and the only thing that happened was that he sucked down a bunch of water by forging through a flood.... I'd be afraid the motor is a mangled mess inside. Fluids don't compress. Metal bends and cracks. Photobucket sucks

Re: Possible Hydrolock Issue [Re: 70Cuda383] #1582631 02/23/14 01:03 AM 02/23/14 01:03 AM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,180 upstate western ny sogtx master
sogtx master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,180 upstate western ny	what if its a bad starter ? crank it by hand , if it doesnt move -your brothers an idiot https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2TVoO...0429-MOTION.gif

Re: Possible Hydrolock Issue [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1582632 02/23/14 10:07 AM 02/23/14 10:07 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 926 MICHIGAN B BB65Barracuda super stock
BB65Barracuda super stock B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 926 MICHIGAN	Quote: Quote: (Glad I'm not the only one with an idiot brother...) I wish mine was only an idiot. Sadly, 1957 Power wagon wm300 original 10.000 mile truck, 1964 dodge Polara Convertible numbers matching

Re: Possible Hydrolock Issue [Re: sogtx] #1582633 02/23/14 11:50 AM 02/23/14 11:50 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O 70Cuda383 Too Many Posts
70Cuda383 Too Many Posts Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O	Quote: what if its a bad starter ? crank it by hand , if it doesnt move -your brothers an idiot it's possible, but how likely is it that the starter goes bad from one heavy splash/submersion? Photobucket sucks

Re: Possible Hydrolock Issue [Re: 70Cuda383] #1582634 02/23/14 12:02 PM 02/23/14 12:02 PM
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,847 Oakdale CT gdonovan I Live Here
gdonovan I Live Here Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,847 Oakdale CT	Quote: it's possible, but how likely is it that the starter goes bad from one heavy splash/submersion? Thats what I was thinking, I suspect the motor is toast. I'd try some slip joint pliers on the alt or ps pump and see if the motor turns over first. Quick and easy test. If you can rock the motor back and forth then it might be a starter. "I think its got a hemi"

Re: Possible Hydrolock Issue [Re: gdonovan] #1582635 02/23/14 12:06 PM 02/23/14 12:06 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,950 WI Dcuda69 master
Dcuda69 master Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,950 WI	Had a friend drive his Ranger through a small creek while 4-wheeling.It died,so they dragged it down the road trying to pop start it....bent all 6 connecting rods Yep..it was full of water. The air intake is pretty low in the grill if I remember correctly.

Re: Possible Hydrolock Issue [Re: GTX4spd] #1582636 02/23/14 01:58 PM 02/23/14 01:58 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska	If there's a bolt on the front so you can hand crank it with a breaker bar like we can then I'd pull the plugs & see if it is free. I'm assuming there is no bolt as that'd be the first thing to do. As you said no reason for the starter to have died at that point in time, same with the battery. live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Possible Hydrolock Issue [Re: GTX4spd] #1582637 02/23/14 02:06 PM 02/23/14 02:06 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours Supercuda About to go away
Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	Smacking water does tend to shock the chassis. Something might have rattled loose. Being all computerized, your no starter issue might very well be electronics related, not like the old days when things were real simple. Does the starter even make any noise or appear to attempt to turn over? Did the inertia switch trip? I forget if they DOA kill starter or just the fuel pump. They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: Possible Hydrolock Issue [Re: GTX4spd] #1582638 02/23/14 02:23 PM 02/23/14 02:23 PM
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa M mikemee1331 master
mikemee1331 master M Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa	my son did the same thing with his escort a year ago. after days of trying to get it to turn over i discovered the a small amount of water had gotten into the cylinders via the intake and because the car had been outside all this time the water had frozen the pistons. i put a heater in the engine compartment and covered it up for a couple of hours and viola! i never thought about it because it was in the upper 30's but it never got warm enough to melt the ice.

Re: Possible Hydrolock Issue [Re: 70Cuda383] #1582639 02/23/14 03:45 PM 02/23/14 03:45 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,100 Rogue River, OR Jeremiah master
Jeremiah master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,100 Rogue River, OR	Quote: Quote: what if its a bad starter ? crank it by hand , if it doesnt move -your brothers an idiot it's possible, but how likely is it that the starter goes bad from one heavy splash/submersion? It is very likely. When I worked as a wrench every time we had a rainfall that flooded the storm drains (aka water on the streets) we were changing out starters left and right.

Re: Possible Hydrolock Issue [Re: Jeremiah] #1582640 02/23/14 04:36 PM 02/23/14 04:36 PM
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa M mikemee1331 master
mikemee1331 master M Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa	Quote: Quote: Quote: what if its a bad starter ? crank it by hand , if it doesnt move -your brothers an idiot it's possible, but how likely is it that the starter goes bad from one heavy splash/submersion? It is very likely. When I worked as a wrench every time we had a rainfall that flooded the storm drains (aka water on the streets) we were changing out starters left and right. i also suspected the starter and the battery and changed out both. it was because the pistons were frozen from about 1/8 inch of water in 2 cylinders and the crank/pistons wouldn't move.....my clue was when i did what Robert suggested above and tried to move the crank with a crowbar. couldn't budge it! Last edited by mikemee1331; 02/23/14 04:38 PM.

Re: Possible Hydrolock Issue [Re: GTX4spd] #1582641 02/23/14 05:05 PM 02/23/14 05:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,074 Niles , Ohio T therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah. T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,074 Niles , Ohio	Most newer starters arent like the old ones.Different insides.If you smack them with a hammer like old ones to get them to start they will crack inside.I had a Pontiac at work that a guy drove thru a flooded street.Died and the whole air box was full.that and it wouldnt crank.Sat inside for a few hours and pulled plugs and finally cranked.New plugs,oil change and air filter and all was good.Rocky Chrysler Firepower

Re: Possible Hydrolock Issue [Re: therocks] #1582642 02/23/14 10:05 PM 02/23/14 10:05 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,563 Downtown Roebuck Ont Twostick Still wishing...
Twostick Still wishing... Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,563 Downtown Roebuck Ont	Does it have a factory anti theft or alarm system ? My Lexus would disable the starter if its system was triggered. I don't know how your idiot brother got out after it went in the drink but if he went out thru a window with the doors locked and then somebody reached in to open the door, that could trigger the system. If it has a system do the reset procedure and see if it will crank. Kevin

Re: Possible Hydrolock Issue [Re: Twostick] #1582643 02/24/14 10:41 PM 02/24/14 10:41 PM
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sogtx master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,180 upstate western ny	https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2TVoO...0429-MOTION.gif

Re: Possible Hydrolock Issue [Re: sogtx] #1582644 02/25/14 12:30 PM 02/25/14 12:30 PM
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa M mikemee1331 master
mikemee1331 master M Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa	Quote: exactly! i hate when you never hear back. got to be at least 90% of the time. issues are a learning experience for everyone, not just the OP.

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