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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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12/05/13 07:39 PM
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Heck, Best Machine had trouble selling the 5 pairs of B1 PSO heads they did, I don't see the demand for a 5" block.
Because at the end of the day, those heads STILL bolt on a bore limited, 4.800 bore space block. If that head was cast in a 4.840 to bolt on the Indy or other 4.840 block, THEN you would have something.
Monte
The Predator heads fit your scenario? My point is Mopar people will not spend the $$$.......
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: 68CudaB1]
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12/05/13 08:05 PM
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Heck, Best Machine had trouble selling the 5 pairs of B1 PSO heads they did, I don't see the demand for a 5" block.
Because at the end of the day, those heads STILL bolt on a bore limited, 4.800 bore space block. If that head was cast in a 4.840 to bolt on the Indy or other 4.840 block, THEN you would have something.
Monte
The Predator heads fit your scenario? My point is Mopar people will not spend the $$$.......
You are right I would NEVER buy one with a bbchevy head on it. Hemi head or no head, Mopar or no car. Guess we could like a certain wheelstander car did, had a chevy engine with hemi valve covers bolted over the chevy covers and fake plug
wires. Said he couldn't afford the hemi
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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12/05/13 08:28 PM
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Some of you guys try to make it sound so easy to spend 10's of thousands of dollars on racing. Most of us as racers own our cars, do as much work on them as we can to save a buck, and go racing. We are not like dirt track racers and have teams helping financially like they do. My local dirt track (Lernerville) consists mostly of teams, people that never drive the car, and many never touch the car, but they pay to be part of "the team". Look at MY CAR out there going laps. Drag racing at the local level is not like that. We have a wife and house, and kids that hopefully come first. We are not cheap racers, we are budget racers. But we do race. 
Great post, and my thoughts exactly when I posted earlier. It gets irritating when some of us who are not wealthy but NOT cheapskates without desire for innovaton either, get thrown in with the op's "98 percent".
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: 68CudaB1]
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12/05/13 08:28 PM
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Monte kinda got to the point I was trying to make. What exactly are you going to do that will make it as "mopar". And as already alluded to they do already exist from CN...If you are willing to fork over $9200-10000+
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: camastomcat]
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12/05/13 08:39 PM
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There are a lot of valid points in this thread.
IMO there already is a Mopar 5.0 and 5.3" bore space block out there. Just because you are used to seeing it in Chevies does not make it a GM engine. If someone made a one piece oil pan spacer cap arrangement with cross bolts main caps would that make you think it is a mopar? How about if they made it fit a mopar bell housing? Do you hear the chevy guys complaining about their shaft rockers or gear rotors in their dry sump pumps complain? In any of these purpose designed and built engines there are a lot of ideas robbed from all three of the big American manufacturers. It just seems the Chevy guys are more interested in going fast and not about whether or not they can buy their valve cover gaskets at the local auto parts store.
Leon
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: PETE@BESTMACHINE]
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12/06/13 02:50 AM
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I consider this a very good 5" bore space engine at that cubic inch. It has the 99 hemi heads and as been as quick as 6.61 210.50 at 2300 lbs. How many people are willing to run something that makes peak power that high? That is the nature of the beast with that kind of power. I wish we had a current parts like those today.
And what cubic inch would this be at? 
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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12/06/13 01:04 PM
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Maybe I am naive so help me out a little here. What is going to make this new venture at 5, or 5.3" bore space motor a "Mopar", the bellhousing pattern? Someone wanting to put a TF behind a 5" bore space motor out there? Sounds to me more like you are considering developing a new 5/5.3 BS engine platform?!? So I ask again what makes it a Mopar? Maybe I am just missing the point here.
I don't get it either. What market is this going after???? I see that your saying you have no interest in using already cast heads. If it doesn't matter that it looks like a mopar engine. If it is a complete one off, and it doesn't bolt up to mopar mounts or accessorries how is different than any other big inch IHRA type pro stock motor. Just like a Sonnys motor has almost no commonality to a BBC it sounds like this motor will have no commonality to a mopar. Its already clear that a large portion of the mopar crowd doesn't need a motor a like that. I would be willing to bet its because most people don't need something with that level of performance. If your intent is to a build a one off motor that has no resemblence to existing mopar platforms and is not liscensed by mopar, why target a mostly hobbiest level brand loyal website. Sounds like you need to take the mystery engine to PRI and put it up next to Sonnys or other high end builders. Go after the high end crowd that isn't focused on brand loyalty racing. But that isn't going to be an easy feat to jump in the big leagues with them and compete. I wish you luck with whatever your thinking of building.
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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12/06/13 02:20 PM
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Mr_P,Pittsburghracer,the 2 of you have been running Mopars long enough to know as long as I have run them I have to be a True Mopar person and too Hard Headed to do anything the easy way.  I not only think us Mopar Racers need a 5.0 block but I would buy one even if it were 1-1/2 times higher than the Brand XXX just so I could call it a Mopar. And thats what this post is about to get opinions and it does not anger me like it seems to do others who have different opinions. 
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: MRMOPAR622]
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12/06/13 02:47 PM
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Hey my Keith Black block says MOPAR on it. I truly wish Dan all the luck in the world with this project. I know Dan and had some great dealings with him. To see his shop grow over the years thru some really bad years tells us all he can do what it takes to become successful. Just look around and see how many shops have closed over the late 10 years. Hard work and many sleepless nights is what it takes at times and they do what it takes. I'm a bracket racer because that's all I can afford to do as it is for many others. Some of the issues these aftermarket blocks have drive guys away from the sport.
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: MRMOPAR622]
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12/06/13 03:03 PM
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Mr_P,Pittsburghracer,the 2 of you have been running Mopars long enough to know as long as I have run them I have to be a True Mopar person and too Hard Headed to do anything the easy way.
I not only think us Mopar Racers need a 5.0 block but I would buy one even if it were 1-1/2 times higher than the Brand XXX just so I could call it a Mopar.
And thats what this post is about to get opinions and it does not anger me like it seems to do others who have different opinions.
I've been racing a Mopar from the FIRST time I was
ever on the track.... at first I worked for GM in their
labs and owned a 62 Dart.. after I got out of the
service I didnt want to go back to GM so I hired into
Chrysler in their labs... they gave me a pay check
for 35 years and payed my retirement... so yes I am
VERY brand loyal... and all we own are mopars for
all of our daily drivers... will I ever own a 5.0+
bore spacing block... I really doubt it, only due to
I cant race faster than 10.0 now days and with my
lighter cars it doesnt take much HP to get there..
I understand that Dan is just looking but all the best
to him IF he decided to jump
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: Performance Only]
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12/06/13 04:55 PM
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First of all, Let me say thank you to everyone for sharing your thoughts, opinions etc. regardless if they were positive or negative in nature. Anyone with any sense knows that what I'm planning is a narrow market but also a very competitive market. It's not something that's going to drive me to the poor house or put me out of business like some might think or suggest. If everyone was content through the years with what was currently available at the time, we wouldn't have half the products or technology we have today. As far as I'm concerned there isn't anything made today that can't be improved upon tomorrow. 
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: cudaman1969]
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12/06/13 06:27 PM
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Heck, Best Machine had trouble selling the 5 pairs of B1 PSO heads they did, I don't see the demand for a 5" block.
Because at the end of the day, those heads STILL bolt on a bore limited, 4.800 bore space block. If that head was cast in a 4.840 to bolt on the Indy or other 4.840 block, THEN you would have something.
Monte
The Predator heads fit your scenario? My point is Mopar people will not spend the $$$.......
You are right I would NEVER buy one with a bbchevy head on it. Hemi head or no head, Mopar or no car.
And there you go.......Too much of THIS attitude among Mopar guys, is the reason we don't have cutting edge parts. You are going to have to explain to me how a Predator is a BB Chevy head. Last time I checked, they bolted on a 4.800 bore space Mopar block and NOTHING else, plus they are a spread port head. Show me ONE BB Chevy that EVER came from the factory with a spread port head.
Monte
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racers. 
Now I don't know about you all but I had rather have a 5.0 bore engine that I could call a Mopar engine than have to call it a brand xxx engine.And I have not 1 but 2 of the Brand XXX engines.And I just tried to post a picture of my red dragster with the engine in it and it would not post said it was to BIG 
