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Professional Products Dampers. Any good? #1539756
11/25/13 03:56 PM
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Or who else makes a damper like this.

Similar to stock appearance in front.
LA360 external balance
Counterweights that bolt to rear of damper.
Not chromed.
SFI not needed.

Closest I can find is the Professional Products brand Powerforce Series steel unit, and the ProRace Performance Products brand Pro Street nodular iron.

The Pro-Race is the less expensive of the two, which may or may not be a good thing.

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Re: Professional Products Dampers. Any good? [Re: Michael Ecks] #1539757
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We have had better results from the Pro Race brand.


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Re: Professional Products Dampers. Any good? [Re: JC Childress] #1539758
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Here's some options from when I was shopping for a damper.

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...&PHPSESSID=

Re: Professional Products Dampers. Any good? [Re: Michael Ecks] #1539759
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i have seen that brand come apart on a 383chevy. came apart and one of the pieces broke the outletfitting clean of the fuelpump also left a pretty substantial dent in the framerail. i wouldnt install that brand on a 318 destined to only run at idle.

Re: Professional Products Dampers. Any good? [Re: 1Fast340] #1539760
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I run a powerforce damper on my 451. Been there for a few years, thousands of street miles, and many trips to 6500. No issues to speak of. I had the motor apart last winter, and the damper looked good as new.

Personally, I believe that most issues people have with many products that arent "top dollar", are actually installation / build errors that get blamed on the part. If its a high dollar part that lets go, its "Wow - Bummer. Good luck figuring out what happened". If its a less than high dollar part, its "thats what you get for buying cheap parts".


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Re: Professional Products Dampers. Any good? [Re: StealthWedge67] #1539761
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The Pro Race and Pro Street are good units
Professional Products not so much--they have soft rubber. I have used a ton of the Pro units on many brands with excellent results.
Pioneer stock replacement is OEM or better quality--very stock looks-- but not cheap

Re: Professional Products Dampers. Any good? [Re: ] #1539762
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I use the Pro Street balancer on 2 different engines including the eng in my 63 right now. I have not had any problems with them and I do race my car sometimes. Ron

Re: Professional Products Dampers. Any good? [Re: 383man] #1539763
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I've ran the pro street balancer on 2 engines, up to 7000rpm and lots of street miles...No issues to speak of

Re: Professional Products Dampers. Any good? [Re: 383man] #1539764
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I use the Pro Street balancer on 2 different engines including the eng in my 63 right now. I have not had any problems with them and I do race my car sometimes. Ron




The pioneer brand is made by pro-bond and is a good damper. We used to sell the professional products dampers, but after many failures we discontinued that line. We carry the pro-bond/ pioneer dampers in their place.


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Re: Professional Products Dampers. Any good? [Re: Performance Only] #1539765
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I've been looking at the Jegs dampers.they look real close to that.
Let me tell ya'll about my harmonic balancer experience.keep in mind i have 2 340 motors.I bout one 340 that had the ati damper with the BBC bolt pattern.And a pioneer damper with the 6 bolt SBM pattern on the other motor. I want a msd crank trigger.Part# 8620 kit has the bbc pattern wheel.part# 8633 kit has the sbm wheel.Don't need two different wheel's. What should i do?

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Re: Professional Products Dampers. Any good? [Re: Performance Only] #1539766
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I use the Pro Street balancer on 2 different engines including the eng in my 63 right now. I have not had any problems with them and I do race my car sometimes. Ron




The pioneer brand is made by pro-bond and is a good damper. We used to sell the professional products dampers, but after many failures we discontinued that line. We carry the pro-bond/ pioneer dampers in their place.




Okay, I'm the curious kind.
How does a balancer with an sfi rating (I believe that's 13,000 rpm)experience "many failures"?
Inquiring minds want to know.
BTW, I have been using a PP balancer for about 5 years on several engines with no issue.

Re: Professional Products Dampers. Any good? [Re: AAR-B4] #1539767
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/To get the SFI rating on Professional Products damper they simply rivet a thin ring on the front to keep the outer band from leaving town when it fails--does not keep it from failing. They use a very soft , poor quality rubber. They come apart--
SFI does not mean fail proof or bullet proof just that it lasted a minute on a machine somewhere at ONE time way far away in another galaxy, then...they pay for a roll of SFI stickers that come on a roll like movie tickets and TaDa!

Re: Professional Products Dampers. Any good? [Re: ] #1539768
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I've learned the hard way.I bought an SFI rated balancer from Summit and had issues with the outer ring slipping. I did not realize it had slipped and reused it on my new build. We found out on dyno after we couldn't get the timing set. I wasted 1/2 a day on the dyno, my builders time, and potentially caused other damage had it not been caught. I guess my point is we all spend good money on machine work, balancing, internals, valvetrain, and even bling. Why not spend the extra $100-150 for a proven part? It cost me more than that in headaches. Call me crazy.....

Randy

Re: Professional Products Dampers. Any good? [Re: Dartin] #1539769
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I've learned the hard way.I bought an SFI rated balancer from Summit and had issues with the outer ring slipping. I did not realize it had slipped and reused it on my new build. We found out on dyno after we couldn't get the timing set. I wasted 1/2 a day on the dyno, my builders time, and potentially caused other damage had it not been caught. I guess my point is we all spend good money on machine work, balancing, internals, valvetrain, and even bling. Why not spend the extra $100-150 for a proven part? It cost me more than that in headaches. Call me crazy.....

Randy




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Re: Professional Products Dampers. Any good? [Re: Michael Ecks] #1539770
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Thanks for the feedback, looks like the Pro Race brand is the way to go for me.


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Re: Professional Products Dampers. Any good? [Re: Michael Ecks] #1539771
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ATI Super Damper, don't go cheap on something this important

Re: Professional Products Dampers. Any good? [Re: 451Cuda] #1539772
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Professional Products..........just another fine product from our chinese friends.....

Re: Professional Products Dampers. Any good? [Re: SSDart] #1539773
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372 readers, 16 posts and still no specific description of a first hand experience of Performance Products failure.

Here's some first hand experience: I have made spacers for friends small block ATI balancers because they rub the timing cover?

Re: Professional Products Dampers. Any good? [Re: AAR-B4] #1539774
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I'm using the prostreet damper on my small block stroker. No problems after two years of street use.

I think they're just fine on a street car, and definitely a good alternative to re-using an old stock damper.

If I were racing, or had a four speed, I'd probably go with something better.


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Re: Professional Products Dampers. Any good? [Re: AAR-B4] #1539775
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372 readers, 16 posts and still no specific description of a first hand experience of Performance Products failure.



"RAMM" (Jess Robinson) was running either a Professional Products or 440Source brand (possibly the same part, but he'd need to confirm that) damper on one of his BB EMC entries a few years ago when it failed during the competition. Ask him what happened.

Also, how about a performance machine shop that couldn't get a rotating assembly to balance properly w/ the PP damper installed, so they swapped it out for another brand and resolved the issue? They won't deal with PP dampers anymore.

IMO, for a budget damper, you can only go so "budget" before you're buying a sub-standard part, SFI-certified or not. The Powerbond / Pioneer SFI damper would get my vote under those circumstances.

I know that Jeg's offers that brand under their house label, but you need to look up pictures of the products from both sources to confirm which of the Jeg's-labeled SFI dampers are from Powerbond / Pioneer vs. another supplier.

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