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71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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Since the resin grille made be Premier Plastic is no longer available, I am wondering if the market would bare the $799 it would take to get a grey ABS plastic one like the original. The investment is extremely high and I really don't want to be in the same situation we are currently in with the 70 Cuda grille assembly we made. I'm not sold on the project and wanted to see if the interest is there for a correctly made piece that won't warp and melt like a resin piece. Michael C. Ross - Owner B/E & A Restoration Parts, Inc. www.beaparts.com330-725-3990
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"The investment is extremely high and I really don't want to be in the same situation we are currently in with the 70 Cuda grille assembly we made." Mike can you explain this statement further  No bad news I hope  I'd buy a 71 grill or two 
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"The investment is extremely high and I really don't want to be in the same situation we are currently in with the 70 Cuda grille assembly we made."
Mike can you explain this statement further No bad news I hope
I'd buy a 71 grill or two
What's there to explain? The 70 grilles that aren't painted and detailed yet are going to be ground up and used to make other ABS plastic parts.
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"The investment is extremely high and I really don't want to be in the same situation we are currently in with the 70 Cuda grille assembly we made."
Mike can you explain this statement further No bad news I hope
I'd buy a 71 grill or two
What's there to explain? The 70 grilles that aren't painted and detailed yet are going to be ground up and used to make other ABS plastic parts.
If you haven't been selling the 70 grills then I doubt you'll sell very many 71's.
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Mike, Wow thats a shock that your not doing so well with the grills. I think they are some great pieces. I think guys say they will buy the pieces but try to wait until either your prices come down or until they can afford it. I know a lot of guys who want to buy your stuff but want to wait until they get to that phase of their project. Its a super tough thing to sell everything as soon as its produced. I think you would be in the same boat folks saying they want them but not buying them right away. Im sure you know this but i just though i would throw the info out there. Steve P.S. IMO what I would do is ask the question like you have compile a list with names and contact info. Once you get enough interested in the project contact the customers on your list have a small deposit and start production. Then you have customers lined up plus anyone else who comes along and sees the quality at shows or from word of mouth  
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"The investment is extremely high and I really don't want to be in the same situation we are currently in with the 70 Cuda grille assembly we made."
Mike can you explain this statement further No bad news I hope
I'd buy a 71 grill or two
What's there to explain? The 70 grilles that aren't painted and detailed yet are going to be ground up and used to make other ABS plastic parts.
If you haven't been selling the 70 grills then I doubt you'll sell very many 71's.
Actually, it's a toss up where we will be using the ground up plastic between the 71 Cuda and the Duster Sharktooth grille. I'm leaning towards the shark.
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Hi Mike, I bought one of your 70 grille's and love it. I opened the box and couldn't believe what a nice piece it is! I didn't need it at that exact moment I bought it, but I thought who knows how long they will be available? As to a 71 Cuda grille, I'd buy one in a heartbeat!!! Thanks Mike for all you do!
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I have a hard time beleiving you can't come out ahead by discounting and offing the molded grilles instead of trying to recoup whatever money is in the regrind.
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I bought one of your 70 grille's and love it. I opened the box and couldn't believe what a nice piece it is! I didn't need it at that exact moment I bought it, but I thought who knows how long they will be available?
As to a 71 Cuda grille, I'd buy one in a heartbeat!!!
Thanks Mike for all you do!
Thx for the kind comments. The 70 grille was a very large and expensive project to get it right and when you really think about all the parts involved it was a major project for sure.
1. Right headlight bucket.
2. Left headlight bucket.
3. Brass inserts for the bucket mounting feet.
4. Main grille.
5. Red bars.
6. Red bar clips.
7. "Plymouth" emblem.
8. Rear mounting plates.
9. Left bucket trim.
10. Right bucket trim.
11. Top trim.
12. Bottom trim.
13. Left parking light bezel.
14. Right parking light bezel.
15. Pigtail.
16. Left inside rectangular lens.
17. Right inside rectangular lens.
18. Left main parking lens.
19. Right main parking lens.
Now that the parts have been itemized, I'm amazed at how many different ones it takes to do a complete grille.
Making a part that the market doesn't want or can afford is no ones fault by my own. At least I'll have spares for my own cars for sure.
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"I have a hard time beleiving you can't come out ahead by discounting and offing the molded grilles instead of trying to recoup whatever money is in the regrind. "
Yeah no kidding. Sounds like "I'm going to crush this car if it doesn't sell" Epay tactics.
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Mike, after seeing the 70's you did, I've been hoping that you would venture into the 71's, I'd be in for 1 definately, more than likely 2 - but I do understand the possibilty it may not happen due to tooling/marketing/contracting. But there is always hope  . I thought the 70's were an outstanding job, can't understand why they haven't been really moving, not a big expense in my opinion as to a mint original - when and if it can be found. If I had a 70 I would have been in for 1 or 2 also. It's hard for me to understand when people complain about the lack of a part, and then someone goes through all the motions to bring said part to market, then it doesn't sell as well as the research led him to believe it would. I've actually thought about buying 1 of your 70's to put on a shelf in case they are discontinued - and is needed by someone at a later date. Should have done that back in late 70's and early 80's - (I thought about it but never did it) - whn I had my in at S&W Dodge - shoulda woulda coulda (cuda). Hope you do it though for the 71's - Joe
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I have a hard time beleiving you can't come out ahead by discounting and offing the molded grilles instead of trying to recoup whatever money is in the regrind.
This is spoken like a true plastics man
Because as you (and I) both know, the market price for regrind ABS is about $.50 lb for (clean) regrind flake, and if it's been painted it's useless/worthless.
Mike, make the Shark tooth grille, you'll be able to make a profit, plus they are smaller, simpler, fit several different year cars, (even if not original guys will use them) and are MUCH easier to ship safely.
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I just would hate to see perfect 70 grilles ground up, they will sell, It will just take time. I think your price is reasonable and I sure wish I could have bought one when I redid my 70 HemiCuda.
I can't see 71 grilles being a better seller than a sharktooth although the A-body cars are of a lower restored value than a 71 Cuda or 71 clone.
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If it wasn't for the high cost of shipping I would buy a 70 grill just to put on my shelf. Let me know when the fire sale is and I'll take two
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I'd put a few back myself just for future prospects.
if the decision is between the duster grille and 71 cuda grille, I agree with Scott do the sharktooth
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Let me know when the fire sale is and I'll take two
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I'd put a few back myself just for future prospects.
Count me in on the fire sale too.
I don't have a need for a 70 'Cuda grill but you never know.
It definitely would look cool mounted on my garage wall.
I can drive over and pick one up.
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. I can't see 71 grilles being a better seller than a sharktooth although the A-body cars are of a lower restored value than a 71 Cuda or 71 clone. Sheldon
Yeah Mike, it would be nice to see a new 71 Cuda' grill,....and as you know I understand the "process" not to mention the money for an endeavor of that undertaking,......granted, the economy is in the tank right now, and "disposable" income isn't readilly available, so items like your 70 grilles may be slow movers,.....for how long, that's anyones guess,.....and grinding up unused raw stock, to produce the A body shark grills,?....yes, they are sought after, just as much as any other desirable part, .....but keep in mind, the A body "crowd" is the "lower spectrum" in the economic thought process, that A bodies are "plentiful" and "cheap/ economical" to do/restore, vs an E body or desirable B-body......nothing condensending here, just a fact a lot of enthusiast will restore an A body, because of the plentiful amount of cars left, and the lower value the parts command,....so if you consider a sharks tooth A body grille, what will the A body market "bear" for a price?.......not much, I would think
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"The investment is extremely high and I really don't want to be in the same situation we are currently in with the 70 Cuda grille assembly we made."
Mike can you explain this statement further No bad news I hope
I'd buy a 71 grill or two
What's there to explain? The 70 grilles that aren't painted and detailed yet are going to be ground up and used to make other ABS plastic parts.
If you haven't been selling the 70 grills then I doubt you'll sell very many 71's.
Actually, it's a toss up where we will be using the ground up plastic between the 71 Cuda and the Duster Sharktooth grille. I'm leaning towards the shark.
I wouldn't get too pumped up over the Sharktooths. The last 2 years at Carlisle there was 20-30 of them there for sale each year. Could buy a mint one for under 500.00
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Lets not forget we are in a serious recession right now and that HAS to be effecting sales across the board, especially high dollar stuff. I think demand for Cuda grills will return some day.
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Lets not forget we are in a serious recession right now and that HAS to be effecting sales across the board, especially high dollar stuff. I think demand for Cuda grills will return some day.
I have to agree on this. I am trying to talk my sister in getting a grill for her cuda and I need to get one for my AAR. Keep in mind I have several original grills so I am not desperate at all. The way the economy has been for the last year for me has been tough. A Daughter in college, $5000 in medical bills and a lawyer with his hand out all the time and I have no extra money. I am saving my cash for the rainy day that is right around the corner.
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Mike, You know what I would want you to make  Make the '71 Cuda grilles and I will be in for at least 2 of them  Especially the quality you put into them... Notce how all the Premier made grilles sold out despite the lack of quality and it wasn't that much cheaper than your target price.  I agree with Dayclona and Moparmarks, lots of shark tooth grilles out there and the A-body crowd is not use to spending as much on "pretty parts" as the E-body crowd (Please no A-body harm meant  ) Besides, you, I and Joe Mopar will get to have spares
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Notce how all the Premier made grilles sold out despite the lack of quality and it wasn't that much cheaper than your target price.
Yeah but their investment to make a resin cast part wasn't even on the same planet..They needed to sell what five? to break even? & if they sold fifteen the mold was failing so what little quality they once had was gone.... I'd love to see Mike do 71 grilles at his typical quality level...But I'd also like to see him be able to turn a profit cause in the end thats what he makes parts for...Don't get me wrong Mike has the love for these cars but if he can't at least come close to making a profit then he's wiser to look elsewhere... 
On the other side Mike has 71 Cuda's also so his commitment to this project could be easily biased.... Good luck to those who own 71's... I wouldn't wanna bet either way... 
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I have a hard time beleiving you can't come out ahead by discounting and offing the molded grilles instead of trying to recoup whatever money is in the regrind.
Point well taken. I have a serious question for you, what price do you think the 70 Cuda grille assemblies should be for them to move? Keep in mind, I can write off a loss, use the material for other parts and have more warehouse space for profitable product. All that adds up to value.
How fast did you think they were going to sell?
I for one had no idea there was a time limit set to purchase them.
I saw them at Carlisle and was impressed & actually planned to buy 1 even though I don't have a cuda at the moment.
But not until next year when I know I will have some cash freed up...
But if your going to offer stuff with a "6month window" b4 sending the parts to the grinder thats not going to happen.
Also have to say it kind knocked you off the pedestal I had you on for doing such a fine job on it in the 1st place.
Not everyone can cough up $1500 at the drop of a hat... I'd bet there are probably some folks saving up for them right now that won't be happy when they go to the shows next summer with cash in hand only to find out you ground them all up.
The 70 grills are killer...
Don't grind them just to take a Tax loss in 08 (you may need that more under the 09 Obama rates)
This post was not started with the intent to go where it is today. The situation the Cuda grilles are in right now are totally out of my control and it has nothing to do with sales, honestly, the sales are where I projected them to be based on the economy.
Because the public isn’t informed on all the information as it pertains to this specific part, it sounds like people are developing unwarranted opinions without having all the facts. Because of possible legal ramifications I can not say a whole lot, but I think I can say this. Anyone that knows me knows I’m into Cudas, I’ve been chomping at the bit for a long time to reproduce an over the top Cuda grille, problem was , it was a stretch for B/E & A Restoration Parts, Inc. to fund this project on it’s own. With all the other financial obligations to other parts, there wasn’t enough money in the budget.
Every part we have produced and that sits on the shelf is paid for, I refuse to owe anyone money. The whole grille project was possible because of a contractual partnership with a very large company that is now refusing delivery. The problem isn’t the sales volume for the grille, it’s the amount of volume that I had to pay for that is jamming me up a little. We have financed 100% of this project without any monies up front from the other company involved.
It’s not that I don’t think the grille will sell, problem is I have an enormous amount of inventory that has put a huge financial burden on our company. It isn’t my suppliers problem that I can’t make delivery of half of the production run, my obligation to them is to pay which I did in full. So for now, we are in a “tug of war” with a company that hasn’t honored their legal side of the contract.
I have worked in a big business environment for most of my adult life (ok, so the adult part is a stretch), I’m not going to get rattled and run around in a panic with my head cut off. The total volume run of the part wasn’t earmarked to sell in 6 months I knew that, nor do I think to many were made, my problem is the total volume B/E & A has here that is.
As for a “fire sale”? I wouldn’t count on it, I might entertain discounts on the grille to move the added volume we are carrying. Running around like a scalded cat isn’t going to happen.
I truly hope this clears up any misperception and negative attitudes that people might have because of this. I have a great passion for this hobby and for every customer (I really mean friend) that we have done business with.
This company isn’t going anywhere, I’m having way to much fun with everyone and I definitely don’t want to go back to the real job. Now get busy putting the wish list together, Christmas is right around the corner!
Michael C. Ross – Owner (when she’s not here)
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Because the public isn’t informed on all the information as it pertains to this specific part, it sounds like people are developing unwarranted opinions without having all the facts.
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My original 71 grille is warped. If i can't straighten it, then I will be needing one. I also need pieces of the perimeter chrome - have heard they are repo'd but have not seen them.
All the 71 cuda grille trim is finished.
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Because the public isn’t informed on all the information as it pertains to this specific part, it sounds like people are developing unwarranted opinions without having all the facts.
Best sentence in the entire thread!
There's two guys with something in common...
Thing is, at first it sounded like the repro cuda grille project was a bust because no one was buying them. Then you made an off handed comment about grinding them up that I think got taken too literal (typical with the internet).
But then you said the 70 grille project success was more complex than just raw sales. The business to business issues are very understandably private. If you can't comment on all the factors, don't go down that road. You'll always get unwarrented opinions.
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If you can't comment on all the factors, don't go down that road. You'll always get unwarrented opinions.
I don't think that Mike started the thread to talk about the success or demise of the 1970 grills. If you look at this thread it pertains to the 1971 grill and it's possibilities. The comment "don't go down that road" might better be directed to whoever side tracked the topic.
**"71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
Since the resin grille made be Premier Plastic is no longer available, I am wondering if the market would bare the $799 it would take to get a grey ABS plastic one like the original.
The investment is extremely high and I really don't want to be in the same situation we are currently in with the 70 Cuda grille assembly we made.
I'm not sold on the project and wanted to see if the interest is there for a correctly made piece that won't warp and melt like a resin piece.
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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I think Mike side tracked his own post by bringing up "the same situation we are currently in with the 70 Cuda grille assembly".
It leads to the question ... What situation? Now we know for better or worse.
Yep. And considering to scrap a different product that the public feels positive toward side tracks things also.
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I know....I know....it's always more interesting to watch a train crash and burn than it is to simply watch it roll effortlessly down the track.
If you're driving that train and dangers ahead (asking the public for an opinion) don't keep throwing coal on the fire.
Just keep it to bare numbers, comparasions, simple and objective. Maybe something like...
-Do you think the market will buy (1)more, (2)less, or (3) the same 71 Cuda grilles priced at $799 compared to 70 grilles?
-And reasons to back up your choice?
-Who is considering buying a 71 Cuda grille for $799 in the same quality as the BEA 70 grilles within the NEXT YEAR? And why?
-Who is considering buying a 71 Cuda grille some point in the future? And why?
I assume Mike has actual data on units of 70 Cuda grilles sold. That's actual data. We the public have no idea of the units allready sold. But I think we can comment on realative demand of a similar product at a given price.
Let's give Mike the best information we can. It's only in our best interests (except for someone sitting on a bunch of used and NOS 71 Cuda grilles).
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Yep. And considering to scrap a different product that the public feels positive toward side tracks thing also.If you're driving that train and dangers ahead (asking the public for an opinion) don't keep throwing coal on the fire.
Just keep it to bare numbers, comparasions, simple and objective.
All of the speculation in the world can never overturn the reality of a completed outcome. I speak to Mike on a daily basis and we compare stories regarding the development and marketability of many new products. Plain and simple, Mike is the ONLY person qualified top give a factual synopsis concerning his product lines and what he has encountered while developing them. It is insulting to bombard him with hypotheticals that he has probably deliberated and thought about in his sleep. The topic was never about the pitfalls of the 70 grill. He originally asked about the demand for 1971 grills. Marketing research 101! If the market was so promising for the 70 items, common sense would tell us that he wouldn’t be considering destroying them. I hope Mike is able to accumulate the data he originally sought out concerning the demand for 1971 grills. I doubt that rehashing the pain that was involved with the 70 grills has much of an impact on whether there is a viable market for 1971 Cuda or Duster grills. It is a tough thing trying to determine the "actual" demand for a product in the restoration market. When ideas are initially presented as a plan or concept, everyone is enthusiastic and says, “I’ll take one !” When the time, effort and money is spent to bring these products to market, it is funny how the "actual" purchases never parallel with the commitments that were originally expressed. That is the manufacturers reality and risk!
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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Yep. And considering to scrap a different product that the public feels positive toward side tracks thing also.If you're driving that train and dangers ahead (asking the public for an opinion) don't keep throwing coal on the fire.
Just keep it to bare numbers, comparasions, simple and objective.
All of the speculation in the world can never overturn the reality of a completed outcome. I speak to Mike on a daily basis and we compare stories regarding the development and marketability of many new products. Plain and simple, Mike is the ONLY person qualified top give a factual synopsis concerning his product lines and what he has encountered while developing them. It is insulting to bombard him with hypotheticals that he has probably deliberated and thought about in his sleep. The topic was never about the pitfalls of the 70 grill. He originally asked about the demand for 1971 grills. Marketing research 101! If the market was so promising for the 70 items, common sense would tell us that he wouldn’t be considering destroying them. I hope Mike is able to accumulate the data he originally sought out concerning the demand for 1971 grills. I doubt that rehashing the pain that was involved with the 70 grills has much of an impact on whether there is a viable market for 1971 Cuda or Duster grills. It is a tough thing trying to determine the "actual" demand for a product in the restoration market. When ideas are initially presented as a plan or concept, everyone is enthusiastic and says, “I’ll take one !” When the time, effort and money is spent to bring these products to market, it is funny how the "actual" purchases never parallel with the commitments that were originally expressed. That is the manufacturers reality and risk!
Did I say something to bombard him with hypotheticals? Am I speculating?  Quite the opposite was my intention.
I asked to keep the questions simple with some qualifications to find and understand real potentional buyers. And the company asking the question needs to stay focused and not bring up other subjects. Marketing Research 101.
I think the original question was a little too open ended and doesn't sort out real buyers. Would you agree?
IMHO, there's a big difference between, "I like to have a spare grille" and "My grille is in a 1000 pieces and my car is in the paint booth" Would you agree?
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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And the company asking the question needs to stay focused and not bring up other subjects.
Who are you directing that statement to? Mike Ross? Go back and review the facts/posts. He didn't stray from his subject. He was simply kind enough to respond to a member who deviated from the original subject at hand. I just got off the phone with Mike a few minuets ago. He didn't seem to feel my comment was unjustified. He even thanked me for the observation.
This is his post, his product and his opinion with regards to this subject matter. I simply choose to let him think and talk for himself.
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back to the subject of the original post.
i have 5 broken 71 grilles, don't pm me because they aren't for sale. if i could purchase a quality 71 grille for around $800 i would be interested in one. it may take some time to raise the cash but i would buy one.
perception is 90% of reality
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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And the company asking the question needs to stay focused and not bring up other subjects.
Who are you directing that statement to? Mike Ross? Go back and review the facts/posts. He didn't stray from his subject. He was simply kind enough to respond to a member who deviated from the original subject at hand. I just got off the phone with Mike a few minuets ago. He didn't seem to feel my comment was unjustified. He even thanked me for the observation.
This is his post, his product and his opinion with regards to this subject matter. I simply choose to let him think and talk for himself.
I have agreed with you it got off topic. But I just disagee that the replied posters are all 100% to blame for that.
Look at what 6bblgt wrote above. I'm not the only one that noticed it. The very first post mentioned a "situation" that was not relevent to checking market interest of a 71 Cuda grill. And Mike 1st mentioned scrapping another product (not 71 Cuda grill). Those ARE facts.
Lesson learned: A poster has to use a little insight and know that certain comments are going to get off topic replies. You gotta think ahead a little. There are lot of valuable/informative posts/topics on Web Boards that loose their steam that could be obviously avoided.
What's done is done. I have no ill will over this  I'm nit picking the details over something I see in this thread and many others. This is just getting dramatic for no reason.
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Yep. And considering to scrap a different product that the public feels positive toward side tracks thing also.If you're driving that train and dangers ahead (asking the public for an opinion) don't keep throwing coal on the fire.
Just keep it to bare numbers, comparasions, simple and objective.
All of the speculation in the world can never overturn the reality of a completed outcome. I speak to Mike on a daily basis and we compare stories regarding the development and marketability of many new products. Plain and simple, Mike is the ONLY person qualified top give a factual synopsis concerning his product lines and what he has encountered while developing them. It is insulting to bombard him with hypotheticals that he has probably deliberated and thought about in his sleep. The topic was never about the pitfalls of the 70 grill. He originally asked about the demand for 1971 grills. Marketing research 101! If the market was so promising for the 70 items, common sense would tell us that he wouldn’t be considering destroying them. I hope Mike is able to accumulate the data he originally sought out concerning the demand for 1971 grills. I doubt that rehashing the pain that was involved with the 70 grills has much of an impact on whether there is a viable market for 1971 Cuda or Duster grills. It is a tough thing trying to determine the "actual" demand for a product in the restoration market. When ideas are initially presented as a plan or concept, everyone is enthusiastic and says, “I’ll take one !” When the time, effort and money is spent to bring these products to market, it is funny how the "actual" purchases never parallel with the commitments that were originally expressed. That is the manufacturers reality and risk!
OK, if you and him are so smart put together, why get on here and ask opinions? Just put your two heads together and tell us what we need or what we need to know.
Have either of you two considered the volume of 71 cars built versus 70?
Of course the rest of us are just playing catch up so we likely wouldn't have covered that base 
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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OK, if you and him are so smart put together, why get on here and ask opinions?
Woe...time out friend. I know I am not "so smart" which is why I have offered absolutely no opinion on the subject whatsoever. You must have me confused with someone else's post that you read somewhere within this thread. Since I don't have a “need” or a "clue" concerning the market for a 71 grill, I didn't even place a vote on the matter. I thought that Mike was simply asking about the possible interest/demand for the 71 grills, not opinions on how to run his business. Maybe I am confused about the subject heading for this thread.
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I went through the parts you have inventoried on your web site and was impressed. There are a lot of detailed and dificult to repo parts. I noticed you do not list some of the grill parts individually. I am not beefing with you but why does nobody sell parts seperate. I need 1 turn signal lens for a 70 Barracuda, I also need 1 turn signal lens for a 74. Rather than buy 2 pair of lenses and leave the extra ones on the shelf I find myself looking for Ebay fodder or luck out at a swap meet instead. I'm not picking on you because everyone seems to sell pairs of items like that instead of individually but many of us don't need both parts of the pair, just one. Besides when it comes to a complete high dollar grill I feel like I could better afford buying a piece at a time rather than all at once. I know it isn't the business plan that would save a dying company but it has to help sales somewhat.
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OK, if you and him are so smart put together, why get on here and ask opinions?
Woe...time out friend. I know I am not "so smart" which is why I have offered absolutely no opinion on the subject whatsoever. You must have me confused with someone else's post that you read somewhere within this thread. Since I don't have a “need” or a "clue" concerning the market for a 71 grill, I didn't even place a vote on the matter. I thought that Mike was simply asking about the possible interest/demand for the 71 grills, not opinions on how to run his business. Maybe I am confused about the subject heading for this thread.
"Plain and simple, Mike is the ONLY person qualified top give a factual synopsis concerning his product lines and what he has encountered while developing them."
"I just got off the ohone with Mike...he agreed with my comments"
Don't back away now. You are sticking up for your buddy, I get that. Just don't lecture the rest of us when he comes on here for advise, then complains when it isn't what he thought it should be.
And for the millionth time in this thread- it makes ZERO business sense to throw away perfectly good inventory when it could be marked down and sold.
Especially since he wants to make a similar product to replace it on the shelf.
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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Just don't lecture the rest of us when he comes on here for advise
He didn't ask for advise about how to run his business. He was taking a poll on the demand/interest for 71 grills. Didn't you understand his first post that consisted of those two very simple choices? "YES or "NO" were the responses he asked for.
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it makes ZERO business sense to throw away perfectly good inventory when it could be marked down and sold.
You definitely should not throw away whatever inventory you have if that is what you choose to do with it. I agree 100% on that point. Just out of curiosity, what business are you involved in that has you considering throwing away the "inventory" that you mentioned?
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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I noticed you do not list some of the grill parts individually. I am not beefing with you but why does nobody sell parts seperate. I need 1 turn signal lens for a 70 Barracuda, I also need 1 turn signal lens for a 74.
I'm Sorry, but I do understand the need, sometimes for individual pcs,.....I get those requests "ocassionialy".......but regarding lenses, wouldn't you want a matching set, in regards to texture, tint, clarity, etc?.....what happens when a "vendor" decides to help you out and breaks up a set, and now it dosen't quite match up to the other, or makes your original pale in comparison,......then your on the phone/net looking for it's "mate"?.....I could understand a fender, or grille pc that gets painted, or plated, etc......but lenses?
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I noticed you do not list some of the grill parts individually.
I am not beefing with you but why does nobody sell parts seperate. I need 1 turn signal lens for a 70 Barracuda, I also need 1 turn signal lens for a 74.
I'm Sorry, but I do understand the need, sometimes for individual pcs,.....I get those requests "ocassionialy".......but regarding lenses, wouldn't you want a matching set, in regards to texture, tint, clarity, etc?.....what happens when a "vendor" decides to help you out and breaks up a set, and now it dosen't quite match up to the other, or makes your original pale in comparison,......then your on the phone/net looking for it's "mate"?.....I could understand a fender, or grille pc that gets painted, or plated, etc......but lenses?
I see your point. The lenses were just an example but it can be applied across the board. Chrome trim, weather striping, tape stripe kits, etc. Some items even require paint before install like door hinges and are usually sold only in sets.
Often only one part gets damaged from accidents or ordinary use and needs replacing. In my case I have daily drivers and if they are in an accident like the 74 turn signal lens I am not lookng for perfect matches but a replacement for a part damaged in an accident. I've seen people have to buy an entire set of weatherstripping because one part got damaged while installing it.
There are a lot of us who like to drive them every day if we can. The only reason I don't drive my 70 every day is because if somebody backs into it in a parking lot I can't replace just the damaged parts of the grill. I have to replace the whole grill or search for months to get used replacement parts.
I am not bashing anybodies business model. It apparently works because nobody sells seperate sets but what if that business model is wrong and everyone is blindly following it? I feel if you only cater to one part of the hobby (those who buy complete sets) you are loosing money that could be made from the others in the hobby. Some people buy a part at a time and save them up as they build a car. Others drive them and don't need to spend $1,600 in parts to repair $200 worth of damage.
Maybe I'm wrong but I see a need and nobody is filling it, where is capitalizm when you need it.
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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Just don't lecture the rest of us when he comes on here for advise
He didn't ask for advise about how to run his business. He was taking a poll on the demand/interest for 71 grills. Didn't you understand his first post that consisted of those two very simple choices? "YES or "NO" were the responses he asked for.
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it makes ZERO business sense to throw away perfectly good inventory when it could be marked down and sold.
You definitely should not throw away whatever inventory you have if that is what you choose to do with it. I agree 100% on that point. Just out of curiosity, what business are you involved in that has you considering throwing away the "inventory" that you mentioned?
Since you haven't kept up, I'll tell you that your buddy is the one that me and several others have questioned on why he would throw out/destroy perfectly good grills. He said that, it has been pointed out, and here you are asking me where I saw it at.
Please try and keep up 
Your buddy doesn't need our advise according to you, yet he came on here and asked.
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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Your buddy doesn't need our advise according to you, yet he came on here and asked.
Your ability to read between the lines is without equal! I have looked high and low throughout this thread trying to find where he asked for advice (as you keep claiming) on what to do with the 70 grills. I can only find where he “polled” for interest in 71 style grills and asked someone a rhetorical question of what they thought the price should be for a 70 grill. I can’t seem to locate anything where he asked what he should do with left over inventory items. Would you mind humoring my obvious oversight, by referencing the post(s) where he asked advice on what he should do with the 70 grills? Substantiating comments with facts does wonders for someone’s credibility.
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"The investment is extremely high and I really don't want to be in the same situation we are currently in with the 70 Cuda grille assembly we made."
Mike can you explain this statement further No bad news I hope
I'd buy a 71 grill or two
What's there to explain? The 70 grilles that aren't painted and detailed yet are going to be ground up and used to make other ABS plastic parts.
Since you can't seem to find it, here you go.
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I have a hard time beleiving you can't come out ahead by discounting and offing the molded grilles instead of trying to recoup whatever money is in the regrind.
Here is one of the smart, read between the lines people.
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"I have a hard time beleiving you can't come out ahead by discounting and offing the molded grilles instead of trying to recoup whatever money is in the regrind. "
Yeah no kidding. Sounds like "I'm going to crush this car if it doesn't sell" Epay tactics.
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I have a hard time beleiving you can't come out ahead by discounting and offing the molded grilles instead of trying to recoup whatever money is in the regrind.
This is spoken like a true plastics man
Because as you (and I) both know, the market price for regrind ABS is about $.50 lb for (clean) regrind flake, and if it's been painted it's useless/worthless.
Mike, make the Shark tooth grille, you'll be able to make a profit, plus they are smaller, simpler, fit several different year cars, (even if not original guys will use them) and are MUCH easier to ship safely.
Yet another.
I could go on but hopefully you will open your eyes this time. Again it is up to you and not anybody else.
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I'm not going to beat my head against a wall here.
I don't blame you. The additional damage could prove to be irreversible.
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I'm not going to beat my head against a wall here.
I don't blame you. The additional damage could prove to be irreversible.
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Explain to the rest of us why you think that he should destroy those parts?
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You seem to have a problem reading subject matter into things that are not there. Where did I ever say (or think) that Mike should destroy his parts? I live by the motto: Never criticize (second guess) another person until you walk a mile in their shoes. As I plainly stated in an earlier post, “Hey Mike, I am sure you have visited every nook and cranny in an attempt to figure out the direction you need to take in order for this scenario to work out. It is easy to second guess a situation looking from the outside in but I know that when you evaluate all the numbers and consider the facts regarding your product venture, you will come up with a viable solution.”
You might want to follow your own advice and “Please try and keep up”. The words in the posts are quite clear if you would simply stop trying to skew things to promote your opinion.
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If you can't comment on all the factors, don't go down that road. You'll always get unwarrented opinions.
I don't think that Mike started the thread to talk about the success or demise of the 1970 grills. If you look at this thread it pertains to the 1971 grill and it's possibilities. The comment "don't go down that road" might better be directed to whoever side tracked the topic.
That is where you started in on people that don't agree with you. As he said, Mike took it down that road himself, he knew he would get comments so he should have let that dog lay there. He brought it up, that HAS to be clear at this point. 
Since you agree that grinding up perfectly good parts makes no sense, why are you so set on sparing with people that hold that same view?
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Since you agree that grinding up perfectly good parts makes no sense, why are you so set on sparing with people that hold that same view?
Are you referring to this statement that I made:
"You definitely should not throw away whatever inventory you have if that is what you choose to do with it. I agree 100% on that point. Just out of curiosity, what business are you involved in that has you considering throwing away the "inventory" that you mentioned?"
It is sad that I have to explain this but I was referring to you. If YOU had inventory that YOU wanted to throw away, have at it! It would be YOURS to do whatever YOU wish. It was just a bit of sarcastic dialog. Unbelievable.
Enjoy the thread.
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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Since you agree that grinding up perfectly good parts makes no sense, why are you so set on sparing with people that hold that same view?
Are you referring to this statement that I made:
"You definitely should not throw away whatever inventory you have if that is what you choose to do with it. I agree 100% on that point. Just out of curiosity, what business are you involved in that has you considering throwing away the "inventory" that you mentioned?"
It is sad that I have to explain this but I was referring to you. If YOU had inventory that YOU wanted to throw away, have at it! It would be YOURS to do whatever YOU wish. It was just a bit of sarcastic dialog. Unbelievable.
Enjoy the thread.
No, you took my comment that it makes no sense to throw away inventory when it could be sold and made it what YOU wanted.
I never said I was doing such. I notice when you are up against logic you can't disagree with, you spin it so you can be "right".
Sorry doesn't work here.
When a thread is opened up, comments made by the OP are going to be discussed, doesn't matter if you buddy wanted it to happen or not. That is what happens in a public forum, something that is a new concept for you.
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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11/25/08 01:13 PM
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I read the big post, I don't understand anything better after that.
Nothing else really to say.
Kinda wish that was the "truth"? I think your dwelling on what was/was not implied......get over it dude!
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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How about we adopt a new unofficial rule on this forum. If you are going to post and offer advice (or opinions) to another individual, you have to disclose who you are and what you do. Something tells me that will eliminate about 65% of those who come here looking to argue their opinions. On the flip side I can certainly understand why some choose to remain anonymous. It must be extremely embarrassing to have the other forum members recognize those (anonymous members) who can't understand plain English or follow a simple thought process. Not to mention the ones who can't substantiate their original points or prove their ridiculous observations or continue to flip flop their positions when confronted or......
This is really a funny post, based on your past performances.
Didn't they have to change the edit feature because of you going back and changing stuff to be "right"?
I bet you wish you could now, seeing as that you have been given enough rope to hang yourself.
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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11/26/08 01:18 AM
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I read the big post, I don't understand anything better after that.
Nothing else really to say.
Kinda wish that was the "truth"? I think your dwelling on what was/was not implied......get over it dude!
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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11/26/08 01:22 AM
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Since the resin grille made be Premier Plastic is no longer available, I am wondering if the market would bare the $799 it would take to get a grey ABS plastic one like the original.
The investment is extremely high and I really don't want to be in the same situation we are currently in with the 70 Cuda grille assembly we made.
I'm not sold on the project and wanted to see if the interest is there for a correctly made piece that won't warp and melt like a resin piece.
Michael C. Ross - Owner
B/E & A Restoration Parts, Inc.
www.beaparts.com
330-725-3990
Hi Mike,
When all the dust finally settled, what did you end up deciding on? Is the 71 a viable option? What about the shark tooth grill?
Thanks again!
DW
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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11/26/08 10:23 AM
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Mike,
Being a "71" man, I would LOVE to see you do a top quality 71 Cuda grille for the marketplace, and since the peripheral pieces are already available (headlamp bezels, mouldings etc.), this would be the natural progression.
We all know that there were roughly twice as many 70 cars built as 71's, with conventional wisdom saying that 70 grilles should be flying off the shelf. But there is no question that at least AT THIS TIME, the disposable income to purchase a grille for EITHER car is, and would be, a challenge for many, especially in the current economic climate. As before, the market cycle WILL improve over time. Needless to say, we would love for the crystal ball to tell us when. After the market tanked in 1990, we all said it would never come back. Well, it came back, and then went to unimaginable levels. Right now, we are taking it on the chin.
Perhaps to look at this a bit more for the long term, here are some things to consider in terms of potential sales for the 71 piece:
Grilles for original 71 cars, of course.
Grilles for clones/restomods/race cars (I could be wrong here, but there seem to many more 70 and 72-74 Cuda's being converted to 71's than vice-versa. Since fenders are available, the kicker is now the grille).
Grilles for a POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE complete body supplied by Dynacorn (Admittedly a long shot, but not out of the realm of possibility). If this were to happen, then, just like a 69 Camaro, you can build an entire car out of a catalog. No rust. Fresh parts. Paint it, bolt it together and go!
Is it then possible that the sales of 71 grilles could actually be greater than projected?
Having made the above statements, I must also play Devil's Advocate at least a bit here. Being involved in manufacturing, but certainly on a much smaller and less complex scale, I still have a full understanding of how technical issues, costs, vendor selection and other potential risks of introducing a new product can evolve differently than originally planned. Some products will be runaway winners, and others, dare I say, will be duds. Also, and so often, the market says that it wants a specific product, and then someone steps up and does it. There may be a small surge initially, and then the market says "Well, now that it is available, I will wait until next month to purchase it". Next month becomes 6 months. Then it becomes next year. Then often tomorrow NEVER comes for that purchase, as other priorities, or "life" gets in the way. A quick example: Many years ago, when Shafi Keisler was doing lenses, he sent me (via FedEx) literally the FIRST examples of his outstanding 67 GTX tail lamp lenses. I brought them to Mopars at Englishtown (when the show was still a legitimate event). I displayed them, with fair pricing, and they got rave reviews. However, the universal response was "Wow, great product, and a great price! But hey, got any bezels?" I sold NONE of the lenses over two days. Crazy.
I will also put my vote in for the Duster "Sharktooth" grille, knowing the quality of your finished products.
Thirdly, and this was referenced earlier in this thread, having CORRECT, QUALITY, E-BODY HARDTOP AND CONVERTIBLE INTERIOR PANELS would be KILLER! Having seen several examples of the currently available reproduction pieces, I am happy my barf bag was close at hand.
Bill Rolik
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Hi Mike I would be one of the first to buy a 71 Cuda grille, promise. But, I would be the very first in line for some correct interior convertible cuda panels!!!
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I would/will take one. Something to be said for being the only game in town, and even with the problems, they still moved those resin grilles... Seems like the grilles for all other years are easier to come by, and as much as I need a new one, I can't bring myself to pay the "investment grade" price for a grille for my driver.
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Back to the original topic, I am interested in the repro '71 grille. I do have a '71, but lack the ability to send the discussion off topic with recommendations on how to run your business. Having a spare grill just in case is just good sense.
1969 Orig Hemi Super Bee Post 4 spd Red on Red (Sold sadly)
1970 Cuda Drag car 500" B1/BS 8.63 @ 155 mph
1970 Challenger SE 383 4 bbl A/C PB PS Leather
1971 Orig 440+6 Cuda 4 spd Shaker In-Violet
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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Since the resin grille made be Premier Plastic is no longer available, I am wondering if the market would bare the $799 it would take to get a grey ABS plastic one like the original.
The investment is extremely high and I really don't want to be in the same situation we are currently in with the 70 Cuda grille assembly we made.
I'm not sold on the project and wanted to see if the interest is there for a correctly made piece that won't warp and melt like a resin piece.
Michael C. Ross - Owner
B/E & A Restoration Parts, Inc.
www.beaparts.com
330-725-3990
Hi Mike,
When all the dust finally settled, what did you end up deciding on? Is the 71 a viable option? What about the shark tooth grill?
Thanks again!
DW
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11/27/08 02:35 PM
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11/28/08 02:06 AM
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You guys are still going on this?
Would you have suspected less? 
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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after reading half of page 1, I jumped to the end to reply, and skipped a bunch.
I have a 1970 Cuda that I repaired with fiberglass. it looks decent, I'd say good for a high quality driver, but not quite show car.
I haven't bought a new grille because I don't need it yet. looks like I might have to reconsider before they disappear.
I bought the Goodmark quarters because after a year or 2 on the market, there was rumor that they might not do another run, and that once the current run is gone, they're gone for good, so I wanted to get a set NOW, even if I have to keep them in boxes for a year or 2 while waiting for funds, time, and space to work on my car--moving twice in 2 years makes it hard to set up a shop and work on a long term restoration project.
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just went through your website again...MAN you keep adding more stuff! I see a bunch of parts that I definitly need, and some others that I would possibly need, if my originals can't be cleaned up. quite possibly $3K in parts that I definitly need, and maybe as high as $5-7K in parts including what I might need Too bad that we're still working on a 6month emergency savings account, which should be done in the next 5 to 6 months, after that point, I need to get the body work done on the car, which will quite possibly take a year or so, and probably take me a year or year and a half to pay for, after which point, I'll be finally ready to start buying parts like what you offer, to bolt back onto my car. Anyone wanna give me $12K for a big block dakota so I can get a jump start on getting this car done?
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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12/16/08 06:20 PM
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Im helping my bro with his 70 and needs a grill but I am confused.
I did some checking on BAE and from what Im told all their stuff is made in China. So since they can't sell the 70 grills BAE is going to shred them up for $0.50 pound and send the pieces back to China to make other parts? Ya...right!!!
Hmmm. Am I the only one that thinks this guy is full of himself? I agree with Scaregrabber, it does sound like "I am taking my ball and going home tactics."
If he wasn't so full of it, I'll offer to to buy your grill inventory at $0.10 on the dollar which is way better than $0.50 per pound + shipping to China? Should be a good deal for BAE since "you can write off a loss."
How many do you want to scrap out?
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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I did some checking on BAE and from what Im told all their stuff is made in China. So since they can't sell the 70 grills BAE is going to shred them up for $0.50 pound and send the pieces back to China to make other parts? Ya...right!!!
Did your "checking on BAE" consist of talking directly with Mike Ross or an officer of the company concerning this matter? If not, your input about this scenario is nothing more than unsubstantiated gossip.
It amazes me how people will take the time to talk with everyone other than those who are actually involved in a particular situation. By the way, the company that you did some "checking on" is BE&A......not BAE. That could explain the incorrect information you conveyed in this thread.
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I would be interested in one of the 71 Grilles when funds become available again. I won't drive my 71 due to the fact I am not going to risk my 71 front end to an accident and have to deal with finding parts for it made from unobtainium!!!
I am going to store my stock 71 Cuda front end and already have repop fenders and gills for the car. A grille would allow me to take my mint OEM grille and put it away also.
Not to side track the post on the grilles. But for those that read Bill Rolik stating that Dynacorp may be doing complete bodies, I talked to the guys at Dynacorp directly at the 2007 SEMA show about that possibility. The guy told me FLAT OUT NO!!! They would not be doing Cuda bodies. Of course like anything else, I guess you can never say never.
Chuck
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12/17/08 11:38 PM
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I would be interested in one of the 71 Grilles when funds become available again. I won't drive my 71 due to the fact I am not going to risk my 71 front end to an accident and have to deal with finding parts for it made from unobtainium!!!
Chuck
Come on... do you REALLY not drive your car because you think you can't find another front end? If so, that is tragic.
Life's too short man, hit the road. Your parts are out there. I don't know how many times I've beat the snot out of my car on the road and not smashed the front end. And if I did... so what? Beats the scenario where I lie on my deathbed wishing I would have lived a little...What good is a car you can't drive? Lots of stuff can happen. People die on roller coasters.... are you gonna avoid a roller coaster? If so, why ever even leave the house?
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I am going to store my stock 71 Cuda front end and already have repop fenders and gills for the car. A grille would allow me to take my mint OEM grille and put it away also.
Chuck
If Mike decides to make the 71 grille and it looks as good as the 70 grille, then you will want to keep the BEA grille as your prize possession. The more I look at the one I just received, the more I want to build a glass showcase and set it up on the mantle of the fireplace. Man that thing is just too pretty to let a bug smack it and get goo all over it
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HOLY CRAP! Grind the 70's up????? My car has a decent, restorable grill, but I would love to have one of your new units. It's just going to take time to save the $$$. Can't imagine you not finishing them and shelving them for future buyers, possibly me.
BTW, do you sell the blinker lamp setups separately? I absolutely need new regardless of what I do.
I’m listening.
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HOLY CRAP! Grind the 70's up????? My car has a decent, restorable grill, but I would love to have one of your new units. It's just going to take time to save the $$$. Can't imagine you not finishing them and shelving them for future buyers, possibly me.
BTW, do you sell the blinker lamp setups separately? I absolutely need new regardless of what I do.
Mike told me that the tool that makes the blinker lights broke so he will not make it again. He is saving all the blinker lights for the complete grilles and will not sell them separately, unless he changes his mind about that. Honestly, after you saw the grille ( I received my argent one the other day and it is amazing), I think you would just suck it up and buy one. One day when they are all gone, you will wish you had one. I bought good used grilles at the Nats for $300 for spares. Inflation makes that seem cheap. One day $1300 will seem cheap as well. The used grilles I bought always needed restoring and painting. How many restored grilles have you seen at shows that did not look very well restored? These grilles are perfect.
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12/19/08 03:57 PM
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You make a very good point. I might just have to take the plunge. Just need to get the taxes done...
I’m listening.
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12/20/08 09:10 AM
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HOLY CRAP! Grind the 70's up????? My car has a decent, restorable grill, but I would love to have one of your new units. It's just going to take time to save the $$$. Can't imagine you not finishing them and shelving them for future buyers, possibly me.
BTW, do you sell the blinker lamp setups separately? I absolutely need new regardless of what I do.
Take my advice... just buy a complete grille. At the prices he is selling them for now, it is a steal... you simply can't go wrong in the long term. I may end up buying another from him... this grille is just TOO nice, and people are still going to be talking about these years from now. I believe the black grilles and the marker lamps are going to be highly sought after in particular. Your car is a Gran Coupe if I remember correctly... I'm not sure about your car, but aren't most, if not all Gran Coupe grilles black plastic instead of grey? If so, I would talk to Mike and see if he'll sell you a black one sprayed Argent...
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I am going to store my stock 71 Cuda front end and already have repop fenders and gills for the car. A grille would allow me to take my mint OEM grille and put it away also.
Chuck
If Mike decides to make the 71 grille and it looks as good as the 70 grille, then you will want to keep the BEA grille as your prize possession. The more I look at the one I just received, the more I want to build a glass showcase and set it up on the mantle of the fireplace. Man that thing is just too pretty to let a bug smack it and get goo all over it
Like this?
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I am going to store my stock 71 Cuda front end and already have repop fenders and gills for the car. A grille would allow me to take my mint OEM grille and put it away also.
Chuck
If Mike decides to make the 71 grille and it looks as good as the 70 grille, then you will want to keep the BEA grille as your prize possession. The more I look at the one I just received, the more I want to build a glass showcase and set it up on the mantle of the fireplace. Man that thing is just too pretty to let a bug smack it and get goo all over it
Like this?
Looks like that Premier Plastics ABS grille that they no longer sell you have there.
Sure they "sell" it, but will just take your money and you're left w/nothing.
Total ripoff. Dave at Roseville lost $7k w/those scammers. 
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I am going to store my stock 71 Cuda front end and already have repop fenders and gills for the car. A grille would allow me to take my mint OEM grille and put it away also.
Chuck
If Mike decides to make the 71 grille and it looks as good as the 70 grille, then you will want to keep the BEA grille as your prize possession. The more I look at the one I just received, the more I want to build a glass showcase and set it up on the mantle of the fireplace. Man that thing is just too pretty to let a bug smack it and get goo all over it
Like this?
Looks like that Premier Plastics ABS grille that they no longer sell you have there.
Sure they "sell" it, but will just take your money and you're left w/nothing.
Total ripoff. Dave at Roseville lost $7k w/those scammers.
No way,everyone of those grilles are original grilles from Ma Mopar.
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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Mike, I don't see the value in grinding up the grilles. This is not even funny when there are fellow cuda owners that don't have a grille and can't afford one. I don't need a grille as my car had a good one (I am fortunate). Everyone don't make enough money to go spend $1000 - 1500 for a grille for their car. I do think that the parts you are selling are top notch though. Excellent work! I have thought about buying an extra grille for my cuda.
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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01/31/09 02:01 AM
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I did some checking on BAE and from what Im told all their stuff is made in China. So since they can't sell the 70 grills BAE is going to shred them up for $0.50 pound and send the pieces back to China to make other parts? Ya...right!!!
Did your "checking on BAE" consist of talking directly with Mike Ross or an officer of the company concerning this matter? If not, your input about this scenario is nothing more than unsubstantiated gossip.
It amazes me how people will take the time to talk with everyone other than those who are actually involved in a particular situation. By the way, the company that you did some "checking on" is BE&A......not BAE. That could explain the incorrect information you conveyed in this thread.
Man you are really beating the whole "everyone except you is uninformed" thing into the ground.
I have not wasted the time to re-read the whole thread, just to see what has & has not been deleted since it 1st showed up (or maybe one just like it)
But it was stated at one point, by the man himself that he was going to grind up the unsold 70 grills that hadn't sold in what amounted to just a few short months.  That shocked many people on here, who figured they had at least until next spring to save up the cash for one. He stated he wanted the resin to make the 71 grills or some such... and when pressed for how in the heck could shredding them be more cost effective than discounting them, I believe taxes came up. So it would appear the way to make out, is not by reusing the $0.50lb resin as claimed, but by taking a tax right off.
In any even... I think the ONLY reason this thread has developed into what it has is because people still want the 70 grills!!! They are just venting frustration at being informed that it was a "Limited TIME offering"(with a built in scrap date) and not just a "Limited Run" that would be available until sold out. Giving the average Joe time to save up.
That is what I get out of all this...
But feel free to keep twisting everyone's words around and pounding it into the ground if you want 
Those 70 grills look so good they should be protected by the US gov... instead of the polar bears
The thought of them being shredded is just too much to bare 
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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From my experience, 100% regrind use creates defective product. I think the maximum limit figure is somewhere around 15% regrind mixed in with virgin resin during injection molding. This figure does vary with different resins... Soft tool aluminum molds are good for 100K shots and cost anywhere from $3000 and up (very high up). Check www.protomold.com if you don't believe me. Hard tool steel molds are good for 1 million + shots and generally cost double what the soft tool molds cost. So, seems like the minimum number of grilles that could be produced if a soft tool mold exists is 100,000 grilles. Is BEA actually molding these parts? I see them on Goodmark's sight without the marker lights and paint... Just curious...
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Re: 71 Cuda grille CHECKING MARKET INTEREST
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I missed this thread originally & just found it doing a Barracuda parts search on Google. I've seen some of the repro parts from B/E & A Restoration Parts, & I think they'd do a much better job at a '71 Cuda grille than Premiere Plastics ever did, does, or will still do. Actually, there are still '71 Cuda grilles on ebay constantly, & a current vendor selling 2 of them right now along with a Charger grille. The vendor is from the Premiere Plastics "old" location in Fresno, CA. I don't know if this vendor has any ties to PP, but it looks like it does. If not, then maybe they are just selling off an old inventory. Cuda Grille Auction 1: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/71-cuda-b...A1%7C240%3A1318Cuda Grille Auction 2: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/71-cuda-b...A1%7C240%3A1318Charger Grille Auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/69-CHARGE...A1%7C240%3A1318I bought my '71 Cuda grille from Premiere Plastics several years ago. At the time it was a decent company, just slow, but PP has ruined their reputation with a total lack of customer service as well as not shipping grilles at all after recieving payment for them. Even I waited 4 months for mine & could never get them to respond to an email or return a call. I have also read enough negative comments & dealings about PP that I'd never buy from, or recommend them again. To critique the actual quality of the repro grille from PP, I think it's an adequate & usable part, but not good enough for a good restoration where a person will be more critical of what they use on their car. I never installed the grille in the car & have since decided to sell the vehicle, but I do see that it did not hold it's original shape & contours in storage. The plastic is flexible & will go back into the correct shape & once installed the grille support structure should keep it in place. If I end up not selling the car, my plan is to restore it at a later date & use the PP repro grille. If B/E & A Restoration Parts does make the '71 Cuda grille, I will purchase one of theirs & use it in place of the PP made one. I hope to see it made since I know there are a lot of unhappy PP customers that can't afford an OEM grille costing anywhere from $1500 to $3500 each.
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Seems like every thread I read here anymore is full of a bunch of 
