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Mopar Performance Orange Ignition box issues? #1429441 05/02/13 11:40 PM 05/02/13 11:40 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,179 Canada D demon OP super stock
demon OP super stock D Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,179 Canada	I've heard that the MP orange electronic ignition boxes have been known to have issues. What at the symptoms? I may be having one act up but not sure.

Re: Mopar Performance Orange Ignition box issues? [Re: demon] #1429442 05/02/13 11:51 PM 05/02/13 11:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,813 A collage of whims topside Too Many Posts
topside Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,813 A collage of whims	I've had several over the last 25 years and only one gave me any problems; the gel melted. Completely stock 383 '69 RR, only upgraded the ignition. About 1996. Box was away from exhaust, just got "lucky". Actually the car started & ran but I caught it before it failed. I have another that's been fine since 1988.

Re: Mopar Performance Orange Ignition box issues? [Re: topside] #1429443 05/03/13 12:04 AM 05/03/13 12:04 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing master
Dunnuck Racing master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Im not sure what year the problem started,but at one time hwy were pretty decent. They changes where they were manufactured and the quality went away. Usually the either die completely,or have intermittent starting issues. Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: Mopar Performance Orange Ignition box issues? [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1429444 05/03/13 12:24 AM 05/03/13 12:24 AM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,179 Canada D demon OP super stock
demon OP super stock D Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,179 Canada	I am having a situation where the car starts and runs fine most of the time, but sometimes once it's hot, it runs rough off idle and will sometimes quit and not restart. Then once it cools it's fine. Brand new orange box and conversion. No baseline to compare to since it's a brand new build. I suspect it's the box. I don't usually run the orange box but did this time. I'm still trouble shooting and will investigate it further tomorrow

Re: Mopar Performance Orange Ignition box issues? [Re: demon] #1429445 05/03/13 12:56 AM 05/03/13 12:56 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,043 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,043 U.S.S.A.	Quote: I am having a situation where the car starts and runs fine most of the time, but sometimes once it's hot, it runs rough off idle and will sometimes quit and not restart. Then once it cools it's fine. Brand new orange box and conversion. No baseline to compare to since it's a brand new build. I suspect it's the box. I don't usually run the orange box but did this time. I'm still trouble shooting and will investigate it further tomorrow once you get it sorted out you will find out eventually that you are not making the power you should , above 4000 rpm the box retards timing. This was probably not a problem with the original distributors included in the kits because they have roughly 30 degrees of mechanical, but it is definitely a problem with the current Mallory based distributor, especially if the end user limits the amount of mechanical advance is in the distributor.

Re: Mopar Performance Orange Ignition box issues? [Re: JohnRR] #1429446 05/03/13 01:33 AM 05/03/13 01:33 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing master
Dunnuck Racing master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	I showed some dyno results on here before showing that the chrome and orange boxes both retarded timing around4000 rpm. I tested with M.P.,Accel,and a Mallory and they all did the same. The N.P. boxes just cant handle the dwell. Its not a big deal for the average stock driver. For what its worth,I have two Orange boxes from the 80's and they pull timing too,the reliability is the main issue with newer units. Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: Mopar Performance Orange Ignition box issues? [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1429447 05/03/13 03:34 AM 05/03/13 03:34 AM
Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 1,235 Phoenix, AZ Jjs72D Deep in the closet
Jjs72D Deep in the closet Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 1,235 Phoenix, AZ	I remember something about the electronic ignition ECU units being tested in a Mopar Muscle article. A company was touting the benefits of their aftermarket box that supposedly had a new twist on the classic Mopar design. I seem to remember that their unit did not retard timing at any point. It had a built in rev limiter too. I've read and heard that these units need to be kept as cool as possible. I've seen them mounted directly to firewalls and inner fenders, but I've been told that it is better to mount them with at least a quarter inch air gap to allow air to pass behind them.

Re: Mopar Performance Orange Ignition box issues? [Re: Jjs72D] #1429448 05/03/13 07:44 AM 05/03/13 07:44 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 926 MICHIGAN B BB65Barracuda super stock
BB65Barracuda super stock B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 926 MICHIGAN	I removed my orange box, had starting issues and idle quality as well as the power above 4k.The box you are talking about is the Renovator. I have it mounted to the firewall and I have had no problems with it so far. Very happy! 1957 Power wagon wm300 original 10.000 mile truck, 1964 dodge Polara Convertible numbers matching

Re: Mopar Performance Orange Ignition box issues? [Re: BB65Barracuda] #1429449 05/03/13 08:51 AM 05/03/13 08:51 AM
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74RALLYE top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,643 A certified culture free zone.	Orange box is as reliable as a 1990 Grand Prix. Keep your walking shoes in the car.

Re: Mopar Performance Orange Ignition box issues? [Re: BB65Barracuda] #1429450 05/03/13 10:15 AM 05/03/13 10:15 AM
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denfireguy top fuel D Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,822 Colorado	Quote: I removed my orange box, had starting issues and idle quality as well as the power above 4k.The box you are talking about is the Renovator. I have it mounted to the firewall and I have had no problems with it so far. Very happy! I think you mean the Rev-n-nator. http://www.thertgarage.com/products.html Craig 2014 Ram 1500 Laramie, 73 Cuda Previous mopars: 62 Valiant, 65 Fury III, 68 Fury III, 72 Satellite, 74 Satellite, 89 Acclaim, 98 Caravan, 2003 Durango Only previous Non-Mopar: Schwinn Tornado

Re: Mopar Performance Orange Ignition box issues? [Re: denfireguy] #1429451 05/03/13 10:20 AM 05/03/13 10:20 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 926 MICHIGAN B BB65Barracuda super stock
BB65Barracuda super stock B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 926 MICHIGAN	1957 Power wagon wm300 original 10.000 mile truck, 1964 dodge Polara Convertible numbers matching

Re: Mopar Performance Orange Ignition box issues? [Re: BB65Barracuda] #1429452 05/03/13 12:20 PM 05/03/13 12:20 PM
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mopowers master M Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,011 Sac, CA	How much do those Revonator boxes cost???

Re: Mopar Performance Orange Ignition box issues? [Re: mopowers] #1429453 05/03/13 12:26 PM 05/03/13 12:26 PM
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70AARcuda master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,826 las vegas	http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOPAR-Hi-Rev-ECU...4a1&vxp=mtr anyone every try one of these? Tony 70 AARCuda Vitamin C 71 Dart Swinger 360 10.318 @ 128.22(10-04-14 Bakersfield) 71 Demon 360 10.666 @122.41 (01-29-17 @ Las Vegas) 71 Duster 408 (10.29 @ 127.86 3/16/19 Las Vegas)

Re: Mopar Performance Orange Ignition box issues? [Re: 74RALLYE] #1429454 05/03/13 01:15 PM 05/03/13 01:15 PM
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62maxwgn master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,436 Blair County,PA	Quote: Orange box is as reliable as a 1990 Grand Prix. Keep your walking shoes in the car. Not if you have a mid 90's or earlier,when they changed vendors that's when the problem started.

Re: Mopar Performance Orange Ignition box issues? [Re: 62maxwgn] #1429455 05/03/13 01:25 PM 05/03/13 01:25 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,043 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,043 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Quote: Orange box is as reliable as a 1990 Grand Prix. Keep your walking shoes in the car. Not if you have a mid 90's or earlier,when they changed vendors that's when the problem started. I had one in the early 80's , never left me stranded , but the accel dual point I swapped out for the electronic conversion ran better

Re: Mopar Performance Orange Ignition box issues? [Re: demon] #1429456 05/03/13 02:59 PM 05/03/13 02:59 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,516 Santa Cruz, California L Lefty master
Lefty master L Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,516 Santa Cruz, California	The only time I've had one die was because I left the key in the run position overnight.

Re: Mopar Performance Orange Ignition box issues? [Re: Lefty] #1429457 05/04/13 02:53 AM 05/04/13 02:53 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,184 Park Forest, IL slantzilla Too Many Posts
slantzilla Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,184 Park Forest, IL	There was a thread on here a few months ago on how to repair a dead orange box. "Everybody funny, now you funny too."

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