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Re: Building a curvy car
[Re: TC@HP2]
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03/10/13 09:37 PM
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dodgeboy11
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In all seriousness though, you might want a Morrison Max G full frame conversion for simplicity. They even have them for A bodies. With all that big block weight on the nose, You'll need to converse with these guys, and your buddies maybe, about the correct roll couple percentages to keep things manageable so the shiny side stays up.
200 mph, hmm, maybe for a split second on a run but not for any duration in a stock body Cuda. If your willing to cut and mod the bod, maybe then you could sustain it.
These guys seem to do ok with a fairly stock bodied camaro.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEDeorDvrsE
Notice I say stock bodied, I believe it has a cup car underneath the skin, but it still has to overcome the aerodynamics of a '69 camaro. I personally think this car is one of the baddest on earth, even if it is a chevy.
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Re: Building a curvy car
[Re: dodgeboy11]
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03/13/13 06:53 PM
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These guys seem to do ok with a fairly stock bodied camaro.
Yup, and there are any number of stock bodied NMCA cars that touch 200 routinely as well in aerodynamics bricks like '57 chevys. Its entirely possible. To do it at a sustatined speed on the stock platform is another story entirely.
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Re: Building a curvy car
[Re: TC@HP2]
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03/13/13 09:54 PM
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These guys seem to do ok with a fairly stock bodied camaro.
Yup, and there are any number of stock bodied NMCA cars that touch 200 routinely as well in aerodynamics bricks like '57 chevys. Its entirely possible. To do it at a sustatined speed on the stock platform is another story entirely.
Quite right. I missed all the talk about stock chassis and all that. I know that camaro is camaro in body only, I. Should know better than to comment when I haven't seen all the previous comments.
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Re: Building a curvy car
[Re: 72Swinger]
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03/14/13 03:12 PM
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That is badass ^^^^^^ I have thought of adding some kind of air extractors at the rear of the hood. What peoples thoughts? Seems you need air through the radiator but why keep it trapped in the engine compartment?
i had an old '68 dart 340. at 140mph the front floated, it felt like you were driving on a cloud. i had good shocks, so it was either the aerodynamics or the tires. or both. at that time i had BFG radial t/a's. i think they are rated for 88mph or something. at very high speeds they are not "stiff enough". you will definitely want rims/tires that have a good design for very high speeds. they will help control the float, along with a proper suspension setup and some aero setup. but dont underestimate the importance of the best rubber you can get under her. whatever tires you decide upon, imagine spinning them at a very high rpm...
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Re: Building a curvy car
[Re: 74yellowduster]
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03/15/13 01:20 AM
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That is badass ^^^^^^ I have thought of adding some kind of air extractors at the rear of the hood. What peoples thoughts? Seems you need air through the radiator but why keep it trapped in the engine compartment?
i had an old '68 dart 340. at 140mph the front floated, it felt like you were driving on a cloud. i had good shocks, so it was either the aerodynamics or the tires. or both. at that time i had BFG radial t/a's. i think they are rated for 88mph or something. at very high speeds they are not "stiff enough". you will definitely want rims/tires that have a good design for very high speeds. they will help control the float, along with a proper suspension setup and some aero setup. but dont underestimate the importance of the best rubber you can get under her. whatever tires you decide upon, imagine spinning them at a very high rpm...
Yup, I was thinking drunk elephant on ice skates, but cloud works. The wheels are spinning in the neighborhood of 2000+ rpm. I run Bilsteins and good Goodyear -45 series W-rated tires on 17" wheels. The rubber and shocks are in order. Definitely air control is my biggest priority for this next run in May.
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Re: Building a curvy car
[Re: joshking440]
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03/16/13 08:53 PM
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Well I hope to get this thing done pretty quickly.
It's 4 weeks until my alterkation stuff is ready.
Then the assembly will start.
I have to find a Trans by then too. I'm thinking t56 son of tranzilla
Josh will you be running the car in the AutoCross at Monster Mopar this year?
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Re: Building a curvy car
[Re: PHJ426]
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03/16/13 11:58 PM
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Well I hope to get this thing done pretty quickly.
It's 4 weeks until my alterkation stuff is ready.
Then the assembly will start.
I have to find a Trans by then too. I'm thinking t56 son of tranzilla
Josh will you be running the car in the AutoCross at Monster Mopar this year?
If he does I HAVE to be there
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Re: Building a curvy car
[Re: dodgeboy11]
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03/18/13 08:01 AM
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In all seriousness though, you might want a Morrison Max G full frame conversion for simplicity. They even have them for A bodies. With all that big block weight on the nose, You'll need to converse with these guys, and your buddies maybe, about the correct roll couple percentages to keep things manageable so the shiny side stays up.
200 mph, hmm, maybe for a split second on a run but not for any duration in a stock body Cuda. If your willing to cut and mod the bod, maybe then you could sustain it.
These guys seem to do ok with a fairly stock bodied camaro.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEDeorDvrsE
Notice I say stock bodied, I believe it has a cup car underneath the skin, but it still has to overcome the aerodynamics of a '69 camaro. I personally think this car is one of the baddest on earth, even if it is a chevy.
BADDEST musclecar on the planet. No contest. And i really hate red first-gen Camaros...
I've had Big Red pics on my wall since i first read about it in the 80's. Its what my Challenger wants to be when it grows up.
On topic. I think the envelope has yet to be really pushed with a Mopar. I think we can go faster than the speeds hinted at in here without resorting to those hideous body mods that make a cool looking classic Mopar look like some 16 year old sideways hat kid started modding it from an import mag. It will take some serious detail work, serious tuning, an extremely uncompromising attitude, and ov course... a whole lotta money.
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Re: Building a curvy car
[Re: Pale_Roader]
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03/18/13 09:08 AM
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Didn't Peter Klutt build a twin turbo v10 powered Cuda to outrun an Enzo? It had tasteful body mods but failed by a couple mph.
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: Building a curvy car
[Re: autoxcuda]
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03/20/13 09:42 AM
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maryland
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for what it's worth, mopars own the records in the nevada open road competition. http://www.sscc.us/records.aspxthe current record holder, Jim Peruto, averaged 217mph over the length of the course, in an '06 charger. the previous record holder was a chrysler lebaron that averaged 207mph driven by Chuck Schafer & Gary Bockman
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Re: Building a curvy car
[Re: jcc]
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03/21/13 03:49 PM
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Re: Building a curvy car
[Re: 67Charger]
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03/21/13 04:20 PM
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I've run this thing in the Silver State Classic at over 140 and she gets quite light on the front... This is the beginning of a no-mod-to-the-body add on air dam to scrape some of the air out from under the car.
I love the look! are you gonna add a rear wing for downforce?
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