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one more about B block intakes
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Eddy performer, DP4B and MP P4532060 I know, Performer is a fairly stock replacement ( some ppl says a tad better some ppl says the same ). Also know the DP4B is fairly similar on performance than the Performer RPM as far I have read. but what about the P4532060 ? it looks pretty much similar to the DP4B! but stock coil location, and choke coil provision. http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOPAR-PERFORMANC...406&vxp=mtr
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Re: one more about B block intakes
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I believe the new part number for that manifold is P4529117. I have one of each of the Eddy Performer and the DP4B, I was going to install them on my '66 Chrysler, but the A/C bracket would not clear the front runners. The Mopar one is designed exactly like the stock cast iron one, and would be a perfect fit. I have never seen any numbers on any power increase / decrease with the Mopar one.
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Re: one more about B block intakes
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02/11/13 03:59 AM
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I believe the new part number for that manifold is P4529117.
good to know thanks!
the DP4B claims to be pretty much similar to the Performer RPM on a test made by a magazine
If you have stock heads, the DP4B is a great intake. Once you move from ported stock heads to aftermarket heads you start to out flow the DP4B. I would run that intake, just not with aftermarket heads. OOTB unported 440source or edelbrock rpm heads would be it's limit, and only then with a mild cam.
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Re: one more about B block intakes
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I believe the new part number for that manifold is P4529117.
good to know thanks!
the DP4B claims to be pretty much similar to the Performer RPM on a test made by a magazine
Do you have a link to that article , I'm finding that hard to believe.
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Re: one more about B block intakes
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02/11/13 12:30 PM
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The first time I looked at a perfromer 383, I thought Edelbrock had taken a stock 383 manifold and flipped it 180 degress back to front  The old DP4B was a great manifold for a mildly warm 383; better than a performer but probably not up to the current (much taller) Performer RPM. What I've seen is the aluminum castings back then are inconsistent, some are fine but otheres are soft, esy to strip and the aluminum is 'chalky'. The DP4B I think is more on Par with the Weiand dual plane but both are a step up from the performar 383. On a 4 speed car with 3.91 and up gears I generally prefer the Holley street dominator single plane. It's softer down low but a tad better than even the RPM up top. Performer < DP4B = Weiand Action < Performer RPM = Holley Street Dominator.
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Re: one more about B block intakes
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02/11/13 12:37 PM
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The first time I looked at a perfromer 383, I thought Edelbrock had taken a stock 383 manifold and flipped it 180 degress back to front
The old DP4B was a great manifold for a mildly warm 383; better than a performer but probably not up to the current (much taller) Performer RPM. What I've seen is the aluminum castings back then are inconsistent, some are fine but otheres are soft, esy to strip and the aluminum is 'chalky'. The DP4B I think is more on Par with the Weiand dual plane but both are a step up from the performar 383. On a 4 speed car with 3.91 and up gears I generally prefer the Holley street dominator single plane. It's softer down low but a tad better than even the RPM up top.
Performer < DP4B = Weiand Action < Performer RPM = Holley Street Dominator.
mmm... would like your opinions about the MP dual plane piece.... IT LOOKS fairly "the same" than the DP4B
about the Holley SD, Id' like to think the Eddy Street Master was pretty much the same, but on an earlier thread I posted maybe two weeks ago, seems wasn't on that way, being the eddy a POS ( by posters opinions )
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Re: one more about B block intakes
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Nacho, have you seen the film, Nacho Libre? You'll either laugh or gag.....Kinda reminds me of Napoleon Dynamite with a fake Spanish accent. The Holley Street Dominator is well known for being a great RB intake, it's not as great on the B or LA motors, nevertheless it's a heck of a lot better than a Streetmaster for any of the above. The Streetmaster was superceded by the Performer, so you know what its target was. IIRC the Perf RPM is the third best, the Torker 383 is better and cheap on the used market, and the TM-6 is tops. If you're building bigger than a 451, I'd look for the TM-6 (part of the Tarantula family) and settle for a Torker383. I got my Torker383 for $50, and plan to use it on my long-term stroker 451. I am talking about intakes from the "normal" manufacturers, there may be an Indy or other like specialized intake that I don't know. R. 
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Re: one more about B block intakes
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Nacho, have you seen the film, Nacho Libre? You'll either laugh or gag.....Kinda reminds me of Napoleon Dynamite with a fake Spanish accent.
No, but I have laugh with you guys from USA with comparisions LOL
as far the build... you know my build, 400 stroked to 3.75 with 4.362 bore---> 448 ( 451 wannabe )
I'm just looking for another intake options beside the Performer, which is the one I actually have... and you know my conditions. Stockish look and locations. Has been told the DP4B is one of the best, but doesn't meet my requirements with the coil and manifold choke locations. The MP uses the earlier choke setup and square bore carb, but I think would live with that using the earlier choke coil and carb adaptor... would need to use a longer choke rod of course using the plate adaptor unless I remove the backelite plate TQs uses. And would search the way to add the electric assistant choke system, from laters models
the Holley SD is another option ( being the Streetmaster has been claimed to be not as good ) but aren't supposselly the single planes able to loose bottom end power ?
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Re: one more about B block intakes
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Nacho, have you seen the film, Nacho Libre? You'll either laugh or gag.....Kinda reminds me of Napoleon Dynamite with a fake Spanish accent.
No, but I have laugh with you guys from USA with comparisions LOL
as far the build... you know my build, 400 stroked to 3.75 with 4.362 bore---> 448 ( 451 wannabe )
I'm just looking for another intake options beside the Performer... and you know my conditions. Stock look and locations. Has been told the DP4B is one of the best, but doesn't meet my requirements with the coil and manifold choke locations. The MP uses the earlier choke setup and square bore carb, but I think would live with that using the earlier choke coil and carb adaptor... would need to use a longer choke rod of course. And would search the way to add the electric assistant choke system, from laters models
the Holley SD is another option ( being the Streetmaster has been claimed to be not as good ) but aren't supposselly the single planes able to loose bottom end power ?
The M1 dual plane uses the 70 up choke configuration.
You can add the missing stuff to the DP4B if you're handy with a Tig welder.
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Re: one more about B block intakes
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which one is the M1 dual plane ? If this:  is the P4529117 I'm asking if is similar in performance to the DP4B acclaimed as one of the best ( althought I asked first for another PN which looks to be superseded by this ) and shows the earlier choke setup
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Re: one more about B block intakes
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Since you're building a 451-ish stroker low deck, I'd try to find a performer RPM for a heavier tighter stall, higher geared combo or a Street Dominator for a lighter, more stall, deeper geared combo. A SD doesn't really 'look' stock (single plane) but it does have a near stock carb height, An RPM is much taller than stock and would need a drop base air cleaner. Given your parameters, the Performar may be your best bet....especially since you already have it. The performer really isn't a "bad" piece, it's just not substantially better than stock.  Cam selection is also a critical piece for 451's in order to get the most out of them.
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Re: one more about B block intakes
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engine is already running since one year ago with Performer intake I bought cheap ( US$60 ) on a Crower 282 cam. MP 175K TC, 3.55 SG gears with 255/60-15 tires
Performer is definitelly higher than the stock iron. Already prooved that. Had to cut down a little bit the front coil location to be able to fit the rear AC Compressor bracket what attachs to this point. So SOME DIFFERENCE must have with the stock on performance.
Just looking forward to another options
Holley SD is not really stock look but on the first view with everything on stock location WILL LOOK stock, down the stock air cleaner, carburator and behind the AC RV2 compressor. Just the vacuum provision will make a BIG difference, being on the passenger side. The Streetmaster beats the SD on this with the EGR and vacuum provisions location... Shame by all ppl here the Streetmaster looks to be a POS.
I don't care EGR system since Venezuelan assemblied cars didn't got EGR system... at least not my car.
I'm not saying am not satisfied with the Performer, just watching for a future upgrade and note the differences.
For me, the Street Dominator is a winner to me, ( even I like more the Streetmaster look ) but wondering about this on a driver, usually low RMP car, where suposselly Single planes loose bottom end power. The magazine test prooves that. Thats why I'm looking for a dual plane option. WITH STOCK LOCATIONS ( choke and coil ). If were spread bore, even better.
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Re: one more about B block intakes
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which one is the M1 dual plane ? If this:
is the P4529117 I'm asking if is similar in performance to the DP4B acclaimed as one of the best ( althought I asked first for another PN which looks to be superseded by this ) and shows the earlier choke setup
Yes that is the M1 dual plane, appears to be a carbon copy of the 70 cast iron 4bbl. With some welding on the drivers side of the intake you could turn it into a spreadbore if you want to do that way .
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