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Does anyone know if the Milodon big block road race pan will clear Tti 1 7/8 headers or any other brand of headers in a 69 B body?

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i don't have that pan but am familiar with it. i built a pan that is nearly identical in dimensions and have it in a 65 b-body with 2" tti's and have plenty of clearance.

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Not sure if this info is helpful, but the pan fits in my 1970 e-body with 2 inch TTi's. The scattershield is more of a concern with the pan in my case. The pan has to be installed and the engine put in sans bellhousing and clutch to clear the k-member.


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1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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First of al one of the best pans on the market for a street&strip bb engine I have it in a 1970 Challenger bb 4 speed car and 1 7/8 TTi headers that whas no trubbel but a bit tight at one spot on the k-member on passenger side and the idler arm just barly toutches it to but it is a smal price to pay compaird to a lot of junk pans out there

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Thanks everyone for the great feedback. I was looking at the Milodon 7 quart deep pan, but I am going to spend the extra money and get the Road Race Pan. I am glad it will work with TTI headers. jbc426, that is one sweet Cuda!

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Does anyone know if the Milodon big block road race pan will clear Tti 1 7/8 headers or any other brand of headers in a 69 B body?




clears my 2-1/4 TTI's. heaps of room great pan.


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DarrenB, do you have any pics of the pan installed on the car. How far is the pan from the centre link? Is there enough room from the idler arm and pitman arm?

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This is in a 71 E-body Hemi clone with the Milodon 31580 Pro Touring/Road Race:











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Wow, mine doesn't even come close to hitting like that. Interesting.


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1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Thanks Beep beep.


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1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Hi John ! Realy nice to see you Cuda on the street I also built same combo engine in my Challenger Are you useing fast ratio in your Cuda ? That could be the resone your not hitting the pan whit the idle arm !

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Wow, mine doesn't even come close to hitting like that. Interesting.




I think there is a lot of variability in aftermarket suspension pieces.

Also nubs on the LCA can act as bump stops to the turning radius. Sometimes the LCA gets worn at the stop and might increase the amount of angled.

I bet that is an aftermarket (new hemi mounts welded on) Hemi K-member in this car too.

Lot of potential for compounding errors.


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Does anyone know if the Milodon big block road race pan will clear Tti 1 7/8 headers or any other brand of headers in a 69 B body?




clears my 2-1/4 TTI's. heaps of room great pan.




Sorry for late reply .. I'll dig some pics out in the morning, there's a mountain of room.


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Thanks, It's fun to drive. I threw some 255/ 60 15's on the back, and it's like driving the car on a snow covered road while on dry pavement. The torque and street manners are incredible on the center carb, but once the outboards kick in, it's scary!

I have the stock idler & pitman arms on it, and love this pan because of the ground clearance. I did have to slot my windage tray to allow room for the pick-up too. I'm also running Milodon's new billet pump with the stock cast iron cover. It takes less power to turn, so it's eaisier on my bronze drive gear.


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I know the feeling John 275 tires are the same whit 505 Six Pack and that nasty roller cam I had the same issue ofcorse on the windage tray so i gues the pic show the same slot as on yours.

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Thanks autoxcuda for the pictures. That's great DarrenB.

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We also modified the pickup ...

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Thanks DarrenB, it looks like there is a lot of room. I will go ahead and order the pan. I see you used studs for the oil pan hardware. Is it easier to install the windage tray, gaskets and pan compared to using bolts? Is external oil system better than using the factory pick up system?

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Thanks DarrenB, it looks like there is a lot of room. I will go ahead and order the pan. I see you used studs for the oil pan hardware. Is it easier to install the windage tray, gaskets and pan compared to using bolts? Is external oil system better than using the factory pick up system?




I'm not too sure if you will get away with a factory pickup (other's may chime in about that), it was never really an option with the longer stroke (I have not quite enough clearance for for an internal pickup), and the oil pump option I have.
the Studs are merely a preference, I am using them from valve cover to pan, they do make keeping the gasket in place easier when you put things together.



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Thanks DarrenB, it looks like there is a lot of room. I will go ahead and order the pan. I see you used studs for the oil pan hardware. Is it easier to install the windage tray, gaskets and pan compared to using bolts? Is external oil system better than using the factory pick up system?




I would recomend you to use the std bolts for the pan becas of the tight fit of the pick up !

Realy great work you did on the pan Darren !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Thanks DarrenB, it looks like there is a lot of room. I will go ahead and order the pan. I see you used studs for the oil pan hardware. Is it easier to install the windage tray, gaskets and pan compared to using bolts? Is external oil system better than using the factory pick up system?




I would recomend you to use the std bolts for the pan becas of the tight fit of the pick up !

Realy great work you did on the pan Darren !!!!!!!!!!!!!




Thanks Patrick we have o-ringed the pickup screen too so we can take it out and clean it if we ever have the pan off


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I hope the Milodon pickup for that pan will work on my 4.15 crank in my B block. I am currently using the factory pickup with the 6 quart hemi pan and it works great. DarrenB that setup on your pan looks amazing.

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I hope the Milodon pickup for that pan will work on my 4.15 crank in my B block. I am currently using the factory pickup with the 6 quart hemi pan and it works great. DarrenB that setup on your pan looks amazing.




The Milodon pickup for that pan should clear fine thoe it is a strait tube but be shore to order the corekt one becas they also have the Hemi pickup for that pan ! If the std windage tray (none stroker) works in your engine right now the pickup will defenetly clear !!!!!!

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I am going to order the milodon 18328 which is a 3/8 pickup. I may have to trim the windage tray because I am currently using the stroker tray.

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why not use the 31581 pan that has the external pickup already? I am clearing a set of Headman Supercomps on a 4.5" stroke Hemi with an external line to the front of the block. I had Al Debevec modify a V8 Kmember to Hemi and everything clears ok with a stock pitman and idler. Tim

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why not use the 31581 pan that has the external pickup already? I am clearing a set of Headman Supercomps on a 4.5" stroke Hemi with an external line to the front of the block. I had Al Debevec modify a V8 Kmember to Hemi and everything clears ok with a stock pitman and idler. Tim



Very cool! They didn't have those pans yet when I did mine!


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Just to wander off topic a little, does anyone know if this pan will fit a 64 Plymouth with a stock cross member and a 426? I'm curious to know if it will hit the cross member on the passengers side. Thanks in advance.

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To the top again. Thanks

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Hello All!

I'm with 64max and his question. I wanted to just throw this out there again to see if anybody has had success with the 31580 miloden on a 62-65 b body without trimming/notching the K frame.

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I am about to put one on a 64 Dodge 330 with a Hemi on Schumacher mounts. I concluded it would hit the K-Member at the right front kick out. I elected to modify the pan rather than the K-Member. No big deal. The 62 to 65 website has a spot that says the pan will work, maybe it is the Schumacher mounts that change the fit.
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I have this pan in 70 Challenger 512 in with 2 inch TTI's, not even close to any clearance issues. I recommend studs at rear main retainer. Everything else I use bolts,,,do not use ARP bolts,,,they are shorter than stock bolts(also their washers are almost like ball bearings) and are stainless(locktite does not work well) and will continually loosen. I use no sealer except very small amount at rear of pan around the retainer.

Proper torque is very important at 15 pounds. Unfortunately flimsy construction of RR pan, tightening to that torque will dimple the pan, leading to leaks. I suspect a primary reason that so many pans are slathered with silicone so as not to leak.

Makes for misery to use this stuff when you are next looking at removing pan.

This little fix that I threw together using 1/8th by 1 inch steel stock has worked very well to allow proper torquing. Perhaps a kit opportunity for some enterprising machinist.

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i jumped thru a bunch of hoops to make this one,.... and then i found out i could've bought one.

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Consider a front end alignment issue if the pan hits the c link. My car had the steering wheel off center a bit when i got it. Stock pan cleared fine at full lock. The 31580 hit on the right side like in the one set of pics here. Centered the wheel and all was good.


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I would be checking for the internal steering box stops and where the pitman is indexed. I have 2 1/4" primaries on my headmans and it clears but I had to get everything right and I still may put fast ratio in and have to fight that problem at a later date. Tim


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Sorry to dig this up, but can anyone point me in the right direction for something to block off the oil temp sender bung? I'm not certain what the threads are, nor where to look for such a thing?

Thanks!

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Sorry to dig this up, but can anyone point me in the right direction for something to block off the oil temp sender bung? I'm not certain what the threads are, nor where to look for such a thing?

Thanks!


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Not sure if this info is helpful, but the pan fits in my 1970 e-body with 2 inch TTi's. The scattershield is more of a concern with the pan in my case. The pan has to be installed and the engine put in sans bellhousing and clutch to clear the k-member.




I ran into this exact same problem with my 74 Challenger, small block, 1 3/4 Hookers, and the Milodon road race pan. The pan sump is so freaking big, I couldn't get enough angle with the trans and bell housing in place to get it all wiggled down in between the motor mount blocks.

Once I drop the trans and bell housing, it dropped right in. Its a plenty snug fit, but it doesn't touch anywhere and nothing hits it, although I do have a single header tube within 1/2" on the passenger side.

Re: Milodon 31580 Road Race Pan Help [Re: TC@HP2] #1363597
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Not sure if this info is helpful, but the pan fits in my 1970 e-body with 2 inch TTi's. The scattershield is more of a concern with the pan in my case. The pan has to be installed and the engine put in sans bellhousing and clutch to clear the k-member.




I ran into this exact same problem with my 74 Challenger, small block, 1 3/4 Hookers, and the Milodon road race pan. The pan sump is so freaking big, I couldn't get enough angle with the trans and bell housing in place to get it all wiggled down in between the motor mount blocks.

Once I drop the trans and bell housing, it dropped right in. Its a plenty snug fit, but it doesn't touch anywhere and nothing hits it, although I do have a single header tube within 1/2" on the passenger side.


I went from the bottom up in my 68 charger with a 4 speed. No problems except for valve cover hitting the frame. Tim


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Re: Milodon 31580 Road Race Pan Help [Re: lewtot184] #1363598
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Sorry to dig this up, but can anyone point me in the right direction for something to block off the oil temp sender bung? I'm not certain what the threads are, nor where to look for such a thing?

Thanks!


1/2" pipe plug.




So if I bought something like this http://m.summitracing.com/parts/prs-1020 would I also need an o ring or something to seal? sorry for the rookie question.

Re: Milodon 31580 Road Race Pan Help [Re: Wildjones] #1363599
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No, use teflon thread sealant. NPT means National Pipe Tapered, meaning the deeper it is screwed in the tighter it gets. NPS is straight thread and would require a sealing feature like an o-ring or sealing washer.


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Re: Milodon 31580 Road Race Pan Help [Re: 67Charger] #1363600
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No, use teflon thread sealant. NPT means National Pipe Tapered, meaning the deeper it is screwed in the tighter it gets. NPS is straight thread and would require a sealing feature like an o-ring or sealing washer.




Awesome explanation, thank you!

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