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Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: 67autocross] #1358111
03/08/13 08:09 PM
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When I last bought a Firm Feel box I called a local scrap yard in their area and had them bring a core to Firm Feel, the shipping from Canada was over $100 at the time.





Wish I'd have thought of that. Shipping a core back from NY cost almost half the $150 core charge.


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Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: 67autocross] #1358112
03/08/13 09:00 PM
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Gives us some feed back when you get it installed. This should be a nice upgrade, just hope it keeps its feel longer than the stock boxes do.
When I last bought a Firm Feel box I called a local scrap yard in their area and had them bring a core to Firm Feel, the shipping from Canada was over $100 at the time.





Pretty clever! That being said I like restomods so no regrets for the box.

Last year I have upgraded my suspension with Hotchkis parts (except I kept my OE sway bars for now) and I have put 18 inches Mags so the loose in the box became more obvious and almost dangerous so I cannot wait to see the improvement this year, it should complement the suspension upgrade very well!

I only wish someone would have tried to lower the pressure to see if it's providing the same improvement as for the OE box, I guess I will have to be the first to experiment with that.

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: 74_360_Cuda] #1358113
03/13/13 06:06 PM
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Well when I get my tax return I will probably pull the trigger. My car is a manual car now and I'm thinkin a circle track pump and reservoir would be lighter and I could use AN fittings and line. Also wonder if I could just collapse the column shaft enough to make it work without pulling the column.


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Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: 72Swinger] #1358114
03/13/13 08:52 PM
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Well when I get my tax return I will probably pull the trigger. My car is a manual car now and I'm thinkin a circle track pump and reservoir would be lighter and I could use AN fittings and line. Also wonder if I could just collapse the column shaft enough to make it work without pulling the column.




well here is what i mustered up...new jones alum racing pump has 6 an on both feed and return....


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Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: sublimehemi] #1358115
03/14/13 12:36 AM
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Well when I get my tax return I will probably pull the trigger. My car is a manual car now and I'm thinkin a circle track pump and reservoir would be lighter and I could use AN fittings and line. Also wonder if I could just collapse the column shaft enough to make it work without pulling the column.




well here is what i mustered up...new jones alum racing pump has 6 an on both feed and return....




sick setup you have there!

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: dangina] #1358116
03/14/13 02:05 AM
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Yeah that pic made me forget all about power steering....


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Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: sublimehemi] #1358117
03/14/13 10:26 PM
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Well when I get my tax return I will probably pull the trigger. My car is a manual car now and I'm thinkin a circle track pump and reservoir would be lighter and I could use AN fittings and line. Also wonder if I could just collapse the column shaft enough to make it work without pulling the column.




well here is what i mustered up...new jones alum racing pump has 6 an on both feed and return....




Looking good!

Where are those pulleys sourced from?

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: PHJ426] #1358118
03/23/13 02:36 AM
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This might have already been covered...

How much pressure can the box take? What is ideal? What pressure did the factory boxes this came from run?

I ask because my factory box is now leaking. It's probably the original box with original seals. I'm using a 5.7/6.1 power steering pump now, which might have played a part in my new leak.

I'm thinking a number of guys have successfully run a factory 3G Hemi pump with a factory old school power steering box- anyone have firsthand experience?

If I'm not mistaken the Hemi pump runs up to about 1450 psi.


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Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: Uhcoog1] #1358119
03/24/13 07:48 AM
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I have not checked pressures, but I have run hemi pumps with stock boxes sucessfully. However, the Delphi box has been used in so many modern vehicles that I have to imagine it will be fine with a variety of pumps without issue.

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: autoxcuda] #1358120
04/03/13 03:35 PM
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Sorry I am late to this dance! I just saw this, and have not read the article(s) yet. (It is doubtful that I will be able to, given how much time has passed.) But, can anyone tell me the advantage of the Borgeson steering box over, say a Firm Feel Stage III box? Weight, or something more?

Thanks!

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: Slider] #1358121
04/03/13 10:00 PM
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Some weight savings, more room for headers, the ratio is slightly quicker, but mostly improved feel... You now how much better the Firm Feel stage III is than most reman boxes? Well the Borgeson box is about the same kind of improvement over the Firm Feel box.... I still haven't bought one, I've driven enough new GM stuff to know how good the box feels so I'm still planning to do it, just haven't yet... Spring is here & I've already got to many parts to install with not enough time....


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Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1358122
04/04/13 08:02 PM
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Guess I will check them out a little closer, then!

Thanks, Randy!

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