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Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg
[Re: Grizzly]
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01/05/13 12:25 PM
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Rick,
Which k members had clearance issues, particularly E-bodies.
AL
I tried A, B, E. All hit. But the fix was a cinch and they say all henceforth will be fixed.
Rick
Rick:
That really speaks volumes of how little Research and Development has been put into this ABORTION.
Since you avoided my question Rick, you probably have no clue that welding on steering components is a big No-No. So, here it is, in black and white and in all places: the Borgeson site. The last sentence of the first paragraph sums it up perfectly.
First paragraph.
As far as clearance: It was minor, and depends on the K-member stamping. I can see why they didn't catch it. No biggie.
As far as welding: Agreed. I, too, would MUCH rather have a one-pc. cast housing. However, with the quantities that they'd sell (in Mopar version), that would make it a non-starter. These guys have been welding cast steel for decades and have it down to a science -- I witnessed their procedure. The welds appear to be way stronger than necessary.
I'm gonna try to get a bare housing (w/welds) and try some destructive tests. If this happens, it will be unscientific -- I'll smash with hammer, press, etc. If the casting breaks before the welds, I'll call it good.
I haven't read any state statutes (NY has none), but I'd be willing to bet that the intent is to discourage / prevent linkage welding. Many Mopars have, OEM, welds in the column, K-member mount, etc.
If you are referring to the coupler sleeve weld, it is also press fit and could easily be pinned, thru-screwed, etc. Since is is only used with P.S., there's little stress on it anyway.
Rick
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Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg
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01/06/13 11:14 AM
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Don't let the inspection bureau know your car is welded together they might impound it.  All this  about what might happen because a part is modified sounds like Chicken Little crying the sky is falling. 
56 Plaza 63 D100 step side 67 Coronet, 68 Roadrunner, 69 Super Bees, 69 Coronet 500 convertible, 70 Roadrunner Post, 79 D150 360, and a severe case of Mopar a,d,d
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Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg
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01/06/13 11:51 AM
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look at a late model[example :K car/minivan] steering shaft sometime. the ujoint body is welded to the shaft from the factory. i don't have any concerns about that weld breaking and i drive my "bus" every day. we all know how crappy factory welds can be........
Hmm, the u joint isn't welded to the steering shaft on any late model I own.
i hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this is how the shaft is connected to the joint. this pic is of an unmolested phone co. B van, but the Kcar/minivan is similar. the aluminium [2 dissimilar materials make up the joint yokes  ] yoke joins the box splines.
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Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg
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01/06/13 04:23 PM
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Thank-you, Rick, I really appreciate your response. Quote:
[As far as welding: Agreed. I, too, would MUCH rather have a one-pc. cast housing.
Flaming River has this power steering in 12, 14, and 16:1 ratios. All brand-new components and dedicated casting, these Guys are with the program. 
$150.00 cheaper than the Borgeson butcher-job and would require the same amount of fabrication to make it work.
It would'nt hurt to send them a few requests do a Mopar version of this box, after all, they have already done the manual box. If they built it, I'd buy it.
Fast-ratio power steering.
Mo' Farts
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Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg
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01/06/13 08:27 PM
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Thank-you, Rick, I really appreciate your response.
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[As far as welding: Agreed. I, too, would MUCH rather have a one-pc. cast housing.
Flaming River has this power steering in 12, 14, and 16:1 ratios. All brand-new components and dedicated casting, these Guys are with the program.
$150.00 cheaper than the Borgeson butcher-job and would require the same amount of fabrication to make it work.
It would'nt hurt to send them a few requests do a Mopar version of this box, after all, they have already done the manual box. If they built it, I'd buy it.
Fast-ratio power steering.
Awesome! I will see if I can light a fire under them...
Rick
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Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg
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01/07/13 04:21 AM
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hi rick can you post the name and number of the machine shop that modifies the steering parts?
thanks
70 charger ,all aluminum 528 hemi 727 cope rmvb,680hp 670 tq,full sequential holley hp efi,full hotchkis tvs,qa1 k and lowers,borgeson steering box cass viper 11.75 with cass s-trac dana 3.54
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Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg
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01/07/13 08:54 PM
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Thank-you, Rick, I really appreciate your response.
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[As far as welding: Agreed. I, too, would MUCH rather have a one-pc. cast housing.
Flaming River has this power steering in 12, 14, and 16:1 ratios. All brand-new components and dedicated casting, these Guys are with the program.
$150.00 cheaper than the Borgeson butcher-job and would require the same amount of fabrication to make it work.
It would'nt hurt to send them a few requests do a Mopar version of this box, after all, they have already done the manual box. If they built it, I'd buy it.
Fast-ratio power steering.
Awesome! I will see if I can light a fire under them...
Rick
I was going to order a Borgeson but I will wait your feedback on this one first 
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Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg
[Re: 74_360_Cuda]
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01/08/13 01:52 AM
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Thank-you, Rick, I really appreciate your response.
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[As far as welding: Agreed. I, too, would MUCH rather have a one-pc. cast housing.
Flaming River has this power steering in 12, 14, and 16:1 ratios. All brand-new components and dedicated casting, these Guys are with the program.
$150.00 cheaper than the Borgeson butcher-job and would require the same amount of fabrication to make it work.
It would'nt hurt to send them a few requests do a Mopar version of this box, after all, they have already done the manual box. If they built it, I'd buy it.
Fast-ratio power steering.
Awesome! I will see if I can light a fire under them...
Rick
I was going to order a Borgeson but I will wait your feedback on this one first
Don't hold your breath.
The box pictured above is just a stock Saginaw 600 box for GM applications. It's unmodified to fit speciality applications. So of course it's cheaper, they didn't cut it in half, shorten it, and put it back together.
The 3 of the 4 bolts are used when you put it in an older car application. Or if you are trying to save weight in a racecar, you can cut off the 4th bolt hole.
Last edited by autoxcuda; 01/08/13 01:55 AM.
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Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg
[Re: sublimehemi]
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01/08/13 01:00 PM
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hi rick can you post the name and number of the machine shop that modifies the steering parts?
thanks
Aldo's Automotive Precision
3260 Us Highway 9W
Highland, NY 12528
(845) 691-8222
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Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg
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01/08/13 01:44 PM
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This is the reason why the Mopar community is abandoned by the aftermarket, all the pissin and moaning.
Really? I've NEVER heard a vendor use that as a reason. Generally, vendors are in business to MAKE MONEY. They'll sell to the Studebaker crowd if there's a business case to support it. And the lack of a good Mopar business case (lower volumes) has always been the reason I have heard for less support Vs. GM or Ford.
And to be honest, I always felt that this lack of comparative aftermarket support made the Mopar crowd a hardier, more self sufficient bunch Vs. those who can simply order a whole car via the mail (say, the '65 Mustang for instance).
There is no money from the mopar community because they are  about doing anything that is not a true bolt in , look at Kiesler , to appease the mopar owning they come out with a kit that is a compromise and it screws up the drivline angle , then the cry because of the mess they are left with for their 4.5 k ... ... .
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Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg
[Re: sublimehemi]
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01/12/13 03:05 AM
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the summit price now for borgeson box is $711.55  im so happy i ordered mine the other day when it was 640 plus 10% off i ended up paying $576.36  i knew it was good value....now everyone here is going to really complain again..lol... i also picked up the current issue of mopar action..thanks again for the nice write up rick but have a question...how big were the front tires and what was the back space on the vehicle that was installed on? you mentioned it will rub with big meats...and i wonder if installing one of the aftermarket disc brake kits that widen the front track width slighty would solve the over-steering problem of the new box with big front tires....also if running the new pro touring pan from milodon like i am we might have problems with the idler arm smacking the pan??can this box be modified for limiters???
70 charger ,all aluminum 528 hemi 727 cope rmvb,680hp 670 tq,full sequential holley hp efi,full hotchkis tvs,qa1 k and lowers,borgeson steering box cass viper 11.75 with cass s-trac dana 3.54
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Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg
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01/12/13 05:52 AM
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the summit price now for borgeson box is $711.55 im so happy i ordered mine the other day when it was 640 plus 10% off i ended up paying $576.36 i knew it was good value....now everyone here is going to really complain again..lol...
i also picked up the current issue of mopar action..thanks again for the nice write up rick but have a question...how big were the front tires and what was the back space on the vehicle that was installed on? you mentioned it will rub with big meats...and i wonder if installing one of the aftermarket disc brake kits that widen the front track width slighty would solve the over-steering problem of the new box with big front tires....also if running the new pro touring pan from milodon like i am we might have problems with the idler arm smacking the pan??can this box be modified for limiters???
damnit why the up in price??? i knew i should have bought it  
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