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Broke the Car ,,,pics included #1310631
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Raced at Norwalk for the MoPower events. Can ran well,,,10.14
w/ 1.39 60' ( Best ET has been a 10.04)

Noticed a puff of smoke upon returning to the pits...???

Small oil drip off the back of the pan.....hmmmm

Noticed the flex plate "ear" looked all mangled,,,and the bolt was loose,,,looks like it was hitting the rail on the back of the oil pan....

Checked all 4 convertor bolts,,,and found one of the bolts was entirely gone,,,and the threads in the convertor "pad" were all fubar,,,and that ear on the flex plate was also a mess, warped, Done racing for the day.....

Got the car home,,,,pulled the trans,,,flex plate,,,starter,,etc,,,,

The starter was broke off in the trans ( the snout portion )

The back of the oil pan rail took a good hit,,and the skirt above the pan has a small piece of metal broken off...

Also,,,the Cam plug and "boss" around it,,took a hit,,,bent the plug over a bit,,and removed a small piece of metal off the motor...

I think the oil leak is from the pan rail area,,,but going to "prime" the motor after i pull the distributor,,and make sure there is no oil leak near the cam plug area....

So,,,,I need...
- New starter,,,
- Convertor needs to be repaired
- Fix the oil pan rail
- "fix" or repair the cam plug area....

I always check stuff on a regular basis,,,but hadnt checked the convertor bolts this season,,,(only raced a few times this year ),,,,

Check your bolts,,,( i had lock tight on them as well ),,,Looks like the bolt backed out,,started hitting,,,broke off,,,and was acting like a grenade in the bellhousing,,taking out the starter,,pan,,cam plug,,etc...

Could have been worse,,,going to freshen up the trans while it's out...

Thought i would post some pics for everyone,,,



Pic of the pan rail and motor skirt ( passenger side rail )



Pic of the cam plug area



Starter



Flex plate,,,,,,

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Sorry to hear of the problems Doc. Is that a stock block?


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wow Doug so sorry to see this.hope you get it fixed pretty soon. Bobby

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The block damage is normal for a conv bolt backing
out... I would pull the cam plug and replace...the
rest of the block is fine...bummer Doug

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Thanks guys,,,,,
Stock block......
If I hadn't messed up the threads on the convertor, I could have it back together pretty quick,,,,,,
Looks like I just found a winter project....

Pretty amazing how a bolt doing 7000 rpm can do damage.

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Doug good thing you found it and quit racing when you did as it could have caused even more damage!!!

Good to see you again and get her fixed over the winter and see you around somewhere next year


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same thing happened to me last year . i put a hei a coil in it and has worked so far. i just check the conv. bolts more now.

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So glad I saw this post! I took the car to the track this weekend and when I was loading on the trailer to come home I heard an unfamiliar noise, I just checked my flexplate bolts and the one I can see looking under the car is loose!, red loctite and all. WOW.


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Re: Broke the Car ,,,pics included [Re: 69CHARGERMD] #1310639
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Are you running the small or big bolts? I had this happen with the small bolts before even with loctite, but I caught it before it did any damage as it was making a funny sound. I run the bigger bolts now along with loctite.

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I tighten mine with a impact... I go through the starter
area when the starter isnt mounted yet... just a couple
of 3 hits or so... I had 1 bolt come loose when using
a wrench... never since using the impact

Re: Broke the Car ,,,pics included [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1310641
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I recently bought a Matco 3/4 ratchet head that's 16 inches long.I had a hard time getting the bolts back out so a longer wrench was needed :runaway.


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Check your balance. Had them come loose a few times last year and ended up taking the rotating assembly to Burtonsville Performance Machine on a hunch (was "balanced" elsewhere before) and they found it to be 140 grams out.

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Doug, sorry to hear of your problems. I came down to see you Sunday morning and Ron and Randy said you had some problems and had already headed home. It good to see you and had a blast hanging with the gang Friday night. I too will be checking the converter bolts more often now.

Randy

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Check your balance. Had them come loose a few times last year and ended up taking the rotating assembly to Burtonsville Performance Machine on a hunch (was "balanced" elsewhere before) and they found it to be 140 grams out.


You need to find the cause. Bolts ( especially if they were loctited ) should not have just come loose. I'd be looking at the convertor - and sure wouldn't use that flex plate over again.


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Re: Broke the Car ,,,pics included [Re: Crizila] #1310645
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Sorry to hear that buddy.

I prefer the ARP 12 point bolts with Red Locktite, I don't impact them (so tough to get a good angle without cocking/angling the extension which negates a lot of the applied torque anyway) so I chock the ring gear with a block of wood and use a 12 point box wrench and a mallet.

A lot of guys toss the inspection cover but it's actually your friend because it can give you an "audible alarm" if the TC bolt that's loosening scrapes the plate before contacting the Back of the block. I used to use a punch to dimple the plate inward so it was verifiably the closest gap/point to the Bolts...just in case.

I can't count how many mopars I've seen in the pits where guys were about to pull their valve covers thinking they had a rocker coming loose and it was the T/C bolts.

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Re: Broke the Car ,,,pics included [Re: Streetwize] #1310646
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i made a sleeve to reduce the i.d. of the upper bolt hole on the starter to prevent it from kicking over and breaking the snout off.

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I`ve read this too many times on here and I too use red loc-tight and star washers and never a problem and sometimes that`s 6-7 years later when I freshen up trans or motor. Glad it wasn`t much worse and that you caught it...........


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I hear this so many times on this site it makes me cringe. When I was still working loc-tite salesmen would come in and tell us about new products, old products, and how to use them. Here are a few does and dont's.
1. All bolts nuts and fasteners must be clean. Recommended procedure is to clean the bolt on a wire wheel, soak and clean them in an oil free cleaner like paint thinner, and blow dry.
2. After applying loc-tite torque nuts or bolts to proper spec.
3. NEVER EVER retorque nuts and bolts at a later date as you will only break the seal that the loc-tite made. visual inspection only.
With convertor bolts sometimes it requires stacking open end wrenches (wrench on wrench. cheater lever) to get the bolts to proper torque. He recommended 271 (red) as the proper loc-tite for this use.
4. If you don't know the history of the bolts that you are going to use "get new ones" they are not that expensive.
If your convertor bolts come loose after doing the above method you have other issues going on.(alignment,vibration, ect.)
REMEMBER loc-tite will not work on greasy oil soaked bolts.
Good-luck with your repairs and I hope all goes well.


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and I might add, lock washers of any kind are a no-no in that application. Actually, any application that requires a precise torque spec should not use a lock washer - although I have seen it done - from the factory.


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Glad you caught it when you did Doug, could of been a bigger mess if not.Kudo's on listening to what the car was telling you.


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Yea greasy oil soaked bolts loc-tite fails don't ask. But the block has scars

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Thanks again everyone. Figured I would post it,,if it helps someone else,,,or at least remind people to check their bolts.
These were not ARP bolts,,,they were new though. I am going to get some ARP's for the install.

I like the inspection cover idea,,,not much room with the pan i run, dont think i could get one to fit,,but might take a look on the install,,i have a extra laying around,,, it's hard to hear any "noise" coming under the car,,,just a few drips of oil off the back of the pan,,was the only clue.

thanks again for all the posts....I'll get it fixed pretty quick i hope.

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I have found a lot people tighten the convert bolts until the engine turns over and stop,
I use a angle iron wedge between starter ring tooth and block plus tighten bolts to 65 ft lbs or a 15 inch wrench I made just for convert bolts. Over a 100 such jobs and no lose bolts

Re: Broke the Car ,,,pics included [Re: dodger mope] #1310654
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Some ARP's, Red Loctite and a new flexplate and you're back in business

The pan rail didn't look too bad....should be an easy fix


Ron

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Ouch, but really it could have been a lot worse. Get ya some Lock-Tite and get'em snug. Is the oil pan leaking?


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Pan looks to be leaking "just a bit" ( with the motor running, not with it off and sitting )
going to pull the pan to check it for sure....also going to "prime" the motor,,before i pull the pan,,so i can lay under the car and check for any areas of leakage while i have someone spin the oil pump with a priming shaft.

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Find some longer vert bolts, you will find that the ones you are using only go about half way thru??

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When I drop the new engine in this winter with a fresh clutch, I will make sure the block saver is in between the flywheel and bellhousing.

Is there such a thing for the automatic trans guys?

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I tighten mine with a impact... I go through the starter
area when the starter isnt mounted yet... just a couple
of 3 hits or so... I had 1 bolt come loose when using
a wrench... never since using the impact



are you sayin you can get to all the tc bolts through the starter hole?

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Well, I hope you can get it fixed with minimal losses.

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Good catch Doug, glad it was no worse than it is!


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Sorry to see that happen . Glad you`re on top of the repairs and it`s not too bad. Same thing happened to my tow vehicle when a welded on weight on the converter went for a walk after two years . B&M flex plate was the way to go for me maybe you too ! Built a lot beefier.
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Just a thought, before you put it all back together you might check your crank endplay?

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Quote:

I hear this so many times on this site it makes me cringe. When I was still working loc-tite salesmen would come in and tell us about new products, old products, and how to use them. Here are a few does and dont's.
1. All bolts nuts and fasteners must be clean. Recommended procedure is to clean the bolt on a wire wheel, soak and clean them in an oil free cleaner like paint thinner, and blow dry.
2. After applying loc-tite torque nuts or bolts to proper spec.
3. NEVER EVER retorque nuts and bolts at a later date as you will only break the seal that the loc-tite made. visual inspection only.
With convertor bolts sometimes it requires stacking open end wrenches (wrench on wrench. cheater lever) to get the bolts to proper torque. He recommended 271 (red) as the proper loc-tite for this use.
4. If you don't know the history of the bolts that you are going to use "get new ones" they are not that expensive.
If your convertor bolts come loose after doing the above method you have other issues going on.(alignment,vibration, ect.)
REMEMBER loc-tite will not work on greasy oil soaked bolts.
Good-luck with your repairs and I hope all goes well.




This is a very good, often overlooked, point. For the chemical threadlocker to work properly, the joined parts must be clean.

Also, after installation, take some good touch-up paint (a silver Sharpie would probably work good too) and paint a line on the flexplate and bolt head so that you can tell if the bolt loosens.

Sorry to hear about your troubles Doug. Bobby had a similar experience with the Belvedere years ago. One of the bolt lugs welded to the converter decided to come loose in the burnout box. The bolt, still screwed into the lug, pulled through the hole in the flexplate from the centrifugal force. Although it sounds worse than your experience, the damage wasn't as bad.


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I had the same thing happen to my 1967 GTX. It was making a really bad noise I pulled over on the side of a pretty busy hiway and left the car. Got a ride home,went back to get it a little over a hour later it was gone.Have not seen the car since.That was in 1992.I had the car since I was 16 years old.Now I make sure the bolts are tight.

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Quote:

Quote:

I tighten mine with a impact... I go through the starter
area when the starter isnt mounted yet... just a couple
of 3 hits or so... I had 1 bolt come loose when using
a wrench... never since using the impact



are you sayin you can get to all the tc bolts through the starter hole?




Sure can.... deep impact 6 point socket right on my
CP impact... I have the flex and the conv painted
on one ear and one bolt hole so it lines up right..
I put one bole in finger tight then rotate it to
get all 4 in then hit it with the impact a couple
of short hits then turn it and so on

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This is a very good, often overlooked, point. For the chemical threadlocker to work properly, the joined parts must be clean.





for ANY adhesive to work properly the surfaces must be clean and oil free. sealants, locking compounds, epoxy etc. even the most exotic sticky stuff won't stick to dirt and oil.

a high volatility cleaner should be used to remove any traces of oil. brake cleaner (the good stuff outlawed in NJ and CA stuff), acetone or similar.

Re: Broke the Car ,,,pics included [Re: 69CHARGERMD] #1310668
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Sorry to hear of your troubles.

I heard funny noises on my hooptie twice, and when I checked - the bolts were tight but the flex plate was broken. The first time I just replaced the flex plate and went back to playing. Then it did it again. I finally figured it out. The heads of my crank bolts were too thick and rubbing on the front of the convertor - which in turn forced my flex plate into a very slight "cone" shape. Apparently it didn't appreciate this at all. I made the bolt heads even shorter and now have no more issues with it. I only had to remove .040" to make it happy.

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I had a problem a few years ago... I kept breaking/cracking flex plates until I found the problem, the bolts to hold the convertor to the flex plate were a little too long and were bottoming out before tightening thus leaving a tiny gap between the bolt head and the flex plate. We just shortened the bolts a thread or two, applied plenty of Loc-Tite and never had the problem again.

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Re: Broke the Car ,,,pics included [Re: 11secdart] #1310670
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Just a thought (from personal experience), but are you sure the converter bolts are the culprit here, and not the converter itself. This is exactly what will happen when a converter balloons. If it did it during the run but then was quiet again when off the throttle, that would again make me be suspicious of the converter. If it was just the bolts, they would have rubbed before and after the run as well.

Hopefully its as simple as the bolts. But I'd think about having that converter checked out before I just re-threaded it and stuck it back in there.


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Re: Broke the Car ,,,pics included [Re: 69CHARGERMD] #1310671
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So when you here that ticking noise that you havent found...... Check convertor bolts now!



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Re: Broke the Car ,,,pics included [Re: racerhog] #1310672
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Update;

1) Converter was sent out to Turbo Action, and they went thru it. They had to repair/replace a few of the "feet" or pads that the converter bolts thread into. They also said the ring gear and snout needed some attention. Converter is back and ready to go

2) Trans is out, and at CRT getting a once over to make sure everything is ok.

3) bought a new starter, B & M flex plate, and ARP convertor bolts

4) still have to pull and change the cam plug on the back of the motor ( when the weather breaks ).

5) Once the trans is back, i should have it back together in a few hours.

Thanks for everyone's posts. ( i forgot i posted this last year, Ramcharger found my old post, lol )

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Don't forget to clean the new bolts in (lacquer thinner) as most have some form of lubrication to keep from rusting. Buy a small fresh tube of 271 (red) loc-tite. Tighten the **** out of them. And go have fun. Good-luck this year and I hope all goes well.


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Re: Broke the Car ,,,pics included [Re: pittsburghracer] #1310674
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looking back, I probably didnt do a good job "cleaning" the convertor bolts before installing them.
They were not dirty, but I suspect they could of had some oil, debris, etc on them.
Lots of carnage for a inexpensive bolt,,,

Thanks guys ! ( thanks pittsburg )

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good luck this year on the car Doug. also did you ever get to do to your truck that we talked about?i just put EFI on mine and am loving it.thanks Bobby


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Re: Broke the Car ,,,pics included [Re: 69CHARGERMD] #1310677
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Update;

1) Converter was sent out to Turbo Action, and they went thru it. They had to repair/replace a few of the "feet" or pads that the converter bolts thread into. They also said the ring gear and snout needed some attention. Converter is back and ready to go

2) Trans is out, and at CRT getting a once over to make sure everything is ok.

3) bought a new starter, B & M flex plate, and ARP convertor bolts

4) still have to pull and change the cam plug on the back of the motor ( when the weather breaks ).

5) Once the trans is back, i should have it back together in a few hours.

Thanks for everyone's posts. ( i forgot i posted this last year, Ramcharger found my old post, lol )




Yeah, I've been away from moparts for a while. I looked back at your posts to see how fast the Belvedere was these days. That's when I discovered the post about the breakage.

Glad to hear the repairs are progressing. Any online videos or pics of the Belvedere racing lately?


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Re: Broke the Car ,,,pics included [Re: Ramcharger] #1310678
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I'll try and post some.
Ran a 10.04 at Norwalk last year, 1.38 60' ( best et so far )
Normally runs in the 10 teen range with a 1.40 to 1.43 60'


Re: Broke the Car ,,,pics included [Re: 69CHARGERMD] #1310679
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Get that thing together and come test and tune with us on Saturday at Beech Bend.

I just added check converter bolts to my to do list for Friday night.


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Re: Broke the Car ,,,pics included [Re: clovis] #1310680
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update; 4/5/2013
Have all parts back.
1) trans is all fresh and ready to go, Thank you John ( CRT )
2) convertor re-done, fixed, and ready to go
3) new flex plate, starter, ARP bolts

Got the flex plate on, and will get the trans in shortly, should go quick after that.
I did replace the rear cam plug with the motor in the car, what a pain in the #$%$#%#,

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Don't forget to clean the oil out of the convertor bolt holes!


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