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Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32
[Re: bigtimeauto]
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09/25/12 04:40 PM
09/25/12 04:40 PM
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Al_Alguire
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I know it does not matter now but here is what happens at the MATS. It is a Q16, fastest 16 cars get in, door cars or dragsters does not matter. The ones who do not make the Q16 are absorbed back to Pro or S/Pro and given a refund for the difference in entry between Q16 and thier respective class. Maybe a similar format might eleviate the confusion or future issues. IMO a Q16 or 32 SHOULD be run wirth the quickest cars out there period. But the non qualifiers should be allowed to run somewhere. MATS also has low qualifier monies for Pro and S/Pro. But if you get bumped back to one of those classes you are not eligible for that money. A call you have to make as a racer when you enter the Quick race. I have raced both and collected low qulaifier S/Pro moneies as well there. I do agree that the wording in the rules does sound like they should have been allowed to run. Given that I think they shoudl be given some sort of consideration since apparently things changed on the grounds considering the posted rules. I do not agree with seperating the door cars and dragsters. If your door car cannot cut it then you do not deserve to be in the winners circle. IMO Q32 or Q16 races shoudl be laddered based on qualifying and not segregated by whether a car has doors or not. Just my  Josh wish I could come and run your races. In quick and 10.5 but it is just to far. We may try St Louis this next year if the stars align.
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Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32
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09/25/12 05:49 PM
09/25/12 05:49 PM
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Al_Alguire
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Then I guess the posted rules should be a bit more clear on the subect. All run is not so clear now is it??
Also it should be the quickest 32, not 16 door cars and 16 dragsters. Nor should they be run in seperate classes for all intents and purposes should they? Seems like everyone wants their preceived "advantage" now doesn't it? I'm sure the reason Josh choose to seperate them was due to racer input doubt he did it without input.
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Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32
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#1309518
09/25/12 06:06 PM
09/25/12 06:06 PM
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mark42202
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the whole idea of non quailifers is to help pay the purse,you get 16 cars the show only pays for itself,if you get 27 cars the event makes money,and everybody wants to be in the show 
Actually, with what Josh paid out in Quick, it took 28 entries just to make the payout. Racer entries NEVER pay for the show. It is spectators and sometimes concessions that actually put the money back into the promoter's pocket, if any is left after track rental, track employees pay, track prep (glue, clean up, etc), wristbands, etc. I know most don't think about those things because the racers usually just see the one dimension of "My class had x amount of entries and it pays x dollars to win". Nobody likes to take into account all the other things it takes to put on a show, money wise.
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Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32
[Re: mark42202]
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09/25/12 06:49 PM
09/25/12 06:49 PM
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Bratt Racing
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the whole idea of non quailifers is to help pay the purse,you get 16 cars the show only pays for itself,if you get 27 cars the event makes money,and everybody wants to be in the show
Actually, with what Josh paid out in Quick, it took 28 entries just to make the payout. Racer entries NEVER pay for the show. It is spectators and sometimes concessions that actually put the money back into the promoter's pocket, if any is left after track rental, track employees pay, track prep (glue, clean up, etc), wristbands, etc. I know most don't think about those things because the racers usually just see the one dimension of "My class had x amount of entries and it pays x dollars to win". Nobody likes to take into account all the other things it takes to put on a show, money wise.
totally agree with your statement here Mark. Very well said. People do not think of the promoters running the series. Plus what it takes to put on the series for the racers. 
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Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32
[Re: AlexBosak]
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09/25/12 07:58 PM
09/25/12 07:58 PM
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I came out to watch and see how it works at Indy. Here are my comments: I wouldn't put on a race like that in a million years! It's hard enough to arrange all of the different classes, track events, band, even free food, time of year, and get enough racers to make a buck. It was a great venue at a great track, with absolutely great track prep. The weather and oil downs threw a wrench in the works for everybody. I however, had a memorable experience I'll never forget. You people that live close enough to get there for less than $1000 should count your blessings. Josh, I am very impressed with the turnout, program, and crew at Indy. If you put something on like that out here, I'll be there, work schedule permitting. Well done, in case anyone forgot to say that!
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Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32
[Re: 69dart]
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09/25/12 09:44 PM
09/25/12 09:44 PM
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I doubt very many guys would favor 1/8 mile racing.
I didn't race this year, but likely will again in the future. I wouldnt take a weekend away from home to race half a track if it was across the street
The weather for Indy was a good 15 degrees below average, a very abnormal occursnce, and most of the breakage happened in the first couple hundred feet of track that I saw on Saturday at least.Not many Sept days in central Indiana it isn't 70 or better, it struggled with 60 the whole weekend
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Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32
[Re: 69dart]
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09/25/12 10:00 PM
09/25/12 10:00 PM
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Hitman340
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First of all I would like to thank everyone that showed up to run the quick 32.The number of cars were greater than expected.I will say that Im very sorry for anyone that got bumped out of the 32 car field.I promise you that no one wanted to make that call.We all showed up to watch fast cars run.These calls are not easy nor any fun to make.I will go as far as to say if anyone of you can come up with a way to make everyone in the class happy with one set of rules I would reward you with a $1000. bonus and Im sure Josh would be very greatful also.If there is one thing I have learned from the past 3 events its that no matter how great the event may be YOU CAN NOT PLEASE EVERYONE.It sucks but its true.Thank you all once again.
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Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32
[Re: AlexBosak]
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09/25/12 10:02 PM
09/25/12 10:02 PM
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ohio
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The reason for the split field is and
always was since monster mopar originated in St. Louis that fast door cars were getting bumped from the show because of the s/p and s/c dragsters. Lets be honest "when" there are spectators they would much rather see a car running 7 seconds than a dragster. When all this started 15+ years ago this was an attraction, now it is a fast s/p race. I say you run a 1/4 mile race with a bump, 16 or 32 car field. And yes dragster do have an advantage, that is why you never see door cars in super comp. Set some rules, make it so you have to qualify for a set field and lets have fun!---- ok I'll be honest,I would rather watch dragsters. I must be the minorty. while I'm reading this please tell me how the dragster has the advantage.I've been racing them for 33 years an I haven't found it yet/the only  thing I found is that alot of door car drivers think we have an advantage.please tell what it is.and there are a lot of door cars in super comp 
Oh ya, diapers should be manditory on any car running slicks. Cheapest safety item you can have.
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Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32
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#1309528
09/25/12 10:48 PM
09/25/12 10:48 PM
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ExoticFab5018
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---- ok I'll be honest,I would rather watch dragsters. I must be the minorty. while I'm reading this please tell me how the dragster has the advantage.I've been racing them for 33 years an I haven't found it yet/the only thing I found is that alot of door car drivers think we have an advantage.please tell what it is.and there are a lot of door cars in super comp I have alot of freinds that run dragsters and yes they have advantages! These will be in no order but are all true. When dealing with a quick feild that you have to qualify to be in its much easier to go faster in a dragster that is 5-6 hundred lbs lighter than a door car. You can drive the finishline much better in dragsters being that you can see your front wheel and your opponents front end. Dragsters are more consistent bc they are lighter. As far as rather watching a dragster that goes 7.90 or a 7.90 doorcar you must be kidding right?! Lmao. No offense too dragster guys but what is different with them other than the paint job? They all just go straight down the track and have no personality to them. Door cars in super comp 8.90 racing?? Seriously? I ran an IHRA divisonal in quick rod in my door car and I was the only one there. My buddy runs QR and he says theyre might be 1 door car to every 100 dragsters. The way I understood the Q32 rules going into the event was that the "all run" meant that it was the fastest 32 anything not 16 and 16. I like the fact that they did seperate them. Why not if it works out there is 16 of each? If you dont qualify you should absolutly not get money back. Thats the point of qualifying. If you didnt make it you should get free entry in box or no box. If you want to do a super quick class then you do a min dial, say 5.60, then everyone races and if you get 8 cars or 80 cars faster than 5.60 thats the class and dont call it a Q32. I think the event went as best it could with the oil downs. The track was marginal at best for the quick class. I hope in the future it is a better surface. Thanks to Josh and Jeff Allison and whom ever else was responsible for putting the race on. See you at the next one!
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Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32
[Re: ExoticFab5018]
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09/26/12 07:32 PM
09/26/12 07:32 PM
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ohio
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I have to say that I was talking about super pro style dragsters, not your car. I made a qualifier against you and I thought my car was tied to a stump you blew past me so fast! And thats not bc your car is lighter, it's bc your making 3 x the hp! Lol. I dont envy you trying to bracket race a car that fast I'm sure it is extremely difficult!
bracket racing the monster isn't as hard as you think,I think the last eight to ten passes were 3.799 to 3.383/I also have an 7.90 sbc dragster that is quite a bit differant than most and it's last 5 passes were within .008(but i've had the same combo since 1999. you have to tune what you have and not worry about what you're racing against.I race against door cars at milian and SMP that run the same way. that why I don't win all the time. 
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