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Monster Mopar Quick 32

Posted By: BigDog68Dart

Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/24/12 12:53 AM

What was the bump spot on the advertised all run quick field? was not posted on the tower.
Posted By: 70RTRacer

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/24/12 08:17 PM

Great question Bigdog! I take it that you got bumped out of the all run field also.
Posted By: camastomcat

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/24/12 08:21 PM

I'm curious too.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/24/12 08:32 PM

I asked that question over on Fast Mopars. If I find out I will let you know.
Posted By: plasticfantastic

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 12:14 AM

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Great question Bigdog! I take it that you got bumped out of the all run field also.




bumped out of an all run field?
Posted By: poppaj

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 12:28 AM

Allowing further cars to qualify and knock out other cars when qualifiers ended Saturday is a much better question...

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Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 12:36 AM

This must be a VERY TOUCHY subject. I tried over on Josh's site to see what the bump was and there weren't many replies. One member thought it took a very low 5 to get into the field. Way to fast for me right now.
Posted By: BigDog68Dart

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 12:15 PM

Posted By: 70RTRacer

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 02:25 PM

This is from the Monster Mopar website that I and others donated our $250. Seems clear how it was to be raced. Even announced it at the track 2 or 3 times.

"Jeff Allison Motorsports Big Dog Quick 32
1/8th mile
8.99 and quicker
.500 sportsman tree
It will be an all run class but we will ladder at 32 cars if we have more than that
You can not dial more than .100 slower than the slowest car in the field"
Posted By: qwkmopardan

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 03:32 PM

I think David Waters was #33 or eventually the 1st alt. and his ET was 5.30. And they did announce all 37 would race and then later made it a 32 car field. I hear the promoter likes only fast cars so I guess he thought anything slower than 5.30 was not fastest enough and eliminated them. POOOOF!!! Did non-qualifiers get there $250 back??? Probably not....... The promoter seems to change things on the fly and eliminate what he has no interest in. He must like brand X because he made sure NSS, [has Chevys, fords and pontiacs in that class], got to keep racing Sat. night. If they announce that, POOOOF!!! "We have to cancel BOX and NO/BOX due to it's getting late and the dew is falling on the track and it could become un-safe", then no more cars should have went down the track, not keep racing for 3 more hours with a chosen few.

I was so pissed at them for changing the run order in eliminations Sat., and holding us there for 5 hours, [10PM] and then cancelling BOX and NO/BOX, I all-most loaded up and left. Glad I changed my mind as Sunday turned out pretty good.
Posted By: mark42202

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 03:55 PM

Wow. This is the reason Mopar guys get a bad rap. In a NSS field of like 100 cars, there 5 brand X so he must like brand x? Do you understand how many passes were supposed to have been Friday that couldn't because of the rain? Sure, they could have done it your way... and they would probably still be racing this morning trying to make everybody happy and let them get their runs. Everyone always thinks about their personal car, but forgets the promoter has 430 cars to think about. Not to mention, the idiots who oil the track all the way down to the turn off even though the announcer told everyone to pull off to the side and stop about 3 million times over the weekend. Why are you griping about the promoter and the event? You should be griping about the weather cutting short runs that were supposed to be done on Friday but couldn't, so changes had to be made Saturday. You should be griping about the HOURS and HOURS of lost racing time because some drivers are too stupid to listen to simple instructions and pull their car to the side instead of screwing ALL the other racers.
Posted By: max_maniac

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 03:56 PM

There were more issues then said here ----- about how the field got qualified and who got in

But since I was not in that class I will leave it alone.



Russ
Posted By: 70RTRacer

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 04:33 PM

Dan,
No, I did not get my money back. Don't know about the other stuff. Just Q32. Dave was in at number 32. Then they let another car run after the funny car and bumped him out.
Posted By: 408strokerdart

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 04:36 PM

So, was this class to be a "Super Quick" type of class with the cut off being 8.99 and all run or a qualified field of the quickest 32 cars?
I don't know how you can say Quick 32 and all run for the same class? There is nothing clear about that statement.
Posted By: mark42202

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 05:25 PM

Quick 32 = 32 quickest cars, no?
Posted By: poppaj

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 05:31 PM

NSS the class we run was very clear...NMCA rules apply, that means brand X run with us which all of us are fine with. Q-32 or super quick need to have the rules set before the race. poppaj
Posted By: joshking440

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 06:19 PM

Nss I will address first. That class had allowed other brands forever. So quit you cry baby bulkshit about another brand car in that class.

They should have raced to completion. They didn't want to. I can't make them race so we finished them feat thing Sunday morning.

It took until 1am to finish 10.0, 1 round of quick and the 10.5 class (14 cars) tell me where we had the time to finish the 130 cars in box and no box.

We had 17 hours over 2 days of clean up..... Do you think I planned that

As for the Daytona getting to make the qualifier after everyone else. I owed him that time run after he had to wait in tech so long he missed his first shot. I felt it was the right thing to do.
Posted By: 70RTRacer

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 06:22 PM

Like I said before these are the rules from the website when we paid our money. Seems clear to me.

"Jeff Allison Motorsports Big Dog Quick 32
1/8th mile
8.99 and quicker
.500 sportsman tree
It will be an all run class but we will ladder at 32 cars if we have more than that
You can not dial more than .100 slower than the slowest car in the field"
Posted By: joshking440

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 06:43 PM

I had to make a choice when we made the call to split the dragsters from the door cars until the finals. That was make it a quick 32 or force door cars to run 2 more rounds than dragsters.

I will send you a refund if that's what you feel is fair.
Posted By: 70RTRacer

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 06:54 PM

Josh, I think that would be fair for the people that were bumped. Also you are correct on the diaper. Still blows my mind that people don't run them.
Posted By: Dunnuck Racing

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 07:04 PM

I think if people would just give constructive criticism,it would help for next time. If all people do is whine and cryabout how things are handled,we will be reading future posts wondering why we don't have Mopar specific races anymore
Keith
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 08:23 PM

70RTRacer


I just want to say I love your car.!
Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 08:40 PM

I know it does not matter now but here is what happens at the MATS. It is a Q16, fastest 16 cars get in, door cars or dragsters does not matter. The ones who do not make the Q16 are absorbed back to Pro or S/Pro and given a refund for the difference in entry between Q16 and thier respective class. Maybe a similar format might eleviate the confusion or future issues. IMO a Q16 or 32 SHOULD be run wirth the quickest cars out there period. But the non qualifiers should be allowed to run somewhere. MATS also has low qualifier monies for Pro and S/Pro. But if you get bumped back to one of those classes you are not eligible for that money. A call you have to make as a racer when you enter the Quick race. I have raced both and collected low qulaifier S/Pro moneies as well there.

I do agree that the wording in the rules does sound like they should have been allowed to run. Given that I think they shoudl be given some sort of consideration since apparently things changed on the grounds considering the posted rules. I do not agree with seperating the door cars and dragsters. If your door car cannot cut it then you do not deserve to be in the winners circle. IMO Q32 or Q16 races shoudl be laddered based on qualifying and not segregated by whether a car has doors or not. Just my

Josh wish I could come and run your races. In quick and 10.5 but it is just to far. We may try St Louis this next year if the stars align.
Posted By: top comp

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 09:46 PM

the whole idea of non quailifers is to help pay the purse,you get 16 cars the show only pays for itself,if you get 27 cars the event makes money,and everybody wants to be in the show

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Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 09:49 PM

Then I guess the posted rules should be a bit more clear on the subect. All run is not so clear now is it??

Also it should be the quickest 32, not 16 door cars and 16 dragsters. Nor should they be run in seperate classes for all intents and purposes should they? Seems like everyone wants their preceived "advantage" now doesn't it? I'm sure the reason Josh choose to seperate them was due to racer input doubt he did it without input.
Posted By: mark42202

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 10:06 PM

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the whole idea of non quailifers is to help pay the purse,you get 16 cars the show only pays for itself,if you get 27 cars the event makes money,and everybody wants to be in the show




Actually, with what Josh paid out in Quick, it took 28 entries just to make the payout. Racer entries NEVER pay for the show. It is spectators and sometimes concessions that actually put the money back into the promoter's pocket, if any is left after track rental, track employees pay, track prep (glue, clean up, etc), wristbands, etc. I know most don't think about those things because the racers usually just see the one dimension of "My class had x amount of entries and it pays x dollars to win". Nobody likes to take into account all the other things it takes to put on a show, money wise.
Posted By: Bratt Racing

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 10:49 PM

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the whole idea of non quailifers is to help pay the purse,you get 16 cars the show only pays for itself,if you get 27 cars the event makes money,and everybody wants to be in the show




Actually, with what Josh paid out in Quick, it took 28 entries just to make the payout. Racer entries NEVER pay for the show. It is spectators and sometimes concessions that actually put the money back into the promoter's pocket, if any is left after track rental, track employees pay, track prep (glue, clean up, etc), wristbands, etc. I know most don't think about those things because the racers usually just see the one dimension of "My class had x amount of entries and it pays x dollars to win". Nobody likes to take into account all the other things it takes to put on a show, money wise.




totally agree with your statement here Mark. Very well said. People do not think of the promoters running the series. Plus what it takes to put on the series for the racers.
Posted By: poppaj

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 10:53 PM

Nobody would have beleived that there were going that many oil downs... don't know why anyone would wine about the free races, no choice but to cancel them, and he even paid the round winners, what more do you want??? It takes a few events to get all the wrinkles ironed out. poppaj
Posted By: VernMotor

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 11:06 PM

I think we need to rename that race ...to....The blow them up and break them nations. LOL ! Just kidding..I have never in my 35 years of racing seen that many oil downs and cars broke..heck we had races where both cars in both lane was broke at the same time. ..weather $uck..we was there for 4 days got 5 runs. race 3 rounds and won 2 lol..I sure would of like it to be diff ! But it was what it was. I thought it was real nice of them to give us 20 bucks for winning first round of a free race. I think there was just about too many class's But if it would got all run. like it should of been. It might of been ok.
Posted By: AlexBosak

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 11:38 PM

The reason for the split field is and
always was since monster mopar originated in St. Louis that fast door cars were getting bumped from the show because of the s/p and s/c dragsters. Lets be honest "when" there are spectators they would much rather see a car running 7 seconds than a dragster. When all this started 15+ years ago this was an attraction, now it is a fast s/p race. I say you run a 1/4 mile race with a bump, 16 or 32 car field. And yes dragster do have an advantage, that is why you never see door cars in super comp. Set some rules, make it so you have to qualify for a set field and lets have fun!

Oh ya, diapers should be manditory on any car running slicks. Cheapest safety item you can have.
Posted By: camastomcat

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/25/12 11:58 PM

I came out to watch and see how it works at Indy. Here are my comments: I wouldn't put on a race like that in a million years! It's hard enough to arrange all of the different classes, track events, band, even free food, time of year, and get enough racers to make a buck. It was a great venue at a great track, with absolutely great track prep. The weather and oil downs threw a wrench in the works for everybody. I however, had a memorable experience I'll never forget. You people that live close enough to get there for less than $1000 should count your blessings. Josh, I am very impressed with the turnout, program, and crew at Indy. If you put something on like that out here, I'll be there, work schedule permitting. Well done, in case anyone forgot to say that!
Posted By: 69dart

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/26/12 01:29 AM

With that many cars on the grounds would the show run a bit smoother / faster if moved to 1/8th mile? Seems that would be 1/2 the prep, 1/2 the wear and tear, 1/2 the breakage and 1/2 the cleanup. Plus running the event that late in the year the tracks get slippery when the Temp drops and hits the Dewpoint.

Either way I can't wait to see what's in store for next year.
Posted By: B3422W5

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/26/12 01:44 AM

I doubt very many guys would favor 1/8 mile racing.
I didn't race this year, but likely will again in the future. I wouldnt take a weekend away from home to race half a track if it was across the street
The weather for Indy was a good 15 degrees below average, a very abnormal occursnce, and most of the breakage happened in the first couple hundred feet of track that I saw on Saturday at least.Not many Sept days in central Indiana it isn't 70 or better, it struggled with 60 the whole weekend
Posted By: Hitman340

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/26/12 02:00 AM

First of all I would like to thank everyone that showed up to run the quick 32.The number of cars were greater than expected.I will say that Im very sorry for anyone that got bumped out of the 32 car field.I promise you that no one wanted to make that call.We all showed up to watch fast cars run.These calls are not easy nor any fun to make.I will go as far as to say if anyone of you can come up with a way to make everyone in the class happy with one set of rules I would reward you with a $1000. bonus and Im sure Josh would be very greatful also.If there is one thing I have learned from the past 3 events its that no matter how great the event may be YOU CAN NOT PLEASE EVERYONE.It sucks but its true.Thank you all once again.
Posted By: top comp

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/26/12 02:02 AM

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The reason for the split field is and
always was since monster mopar originated in St. Louis that fast door cars were getting bumped from the show because of the s/p and s/c dragsters. Lets be honest "when" there are spectators they would much rather see a car running 7 seconds than a dragster. When all this started 15+ years ago this was an attraction, now it is a fast s/p race. I say you run a 1/4 mile race with a bump, 16 or 32 car field. And yes dragster do have an advantage, that is why you never see door cars in super comp. Set some rules, make it so you have to qualify for a set field and lets have fun!---- ok I'll be honest,I would rather watch dragsters. I must be the minorty. while I'm reading this please tell me how the dragster has the advantage.I've been racing them for 33 years an I haven't found it yet/the only thing I found is that alot of door car drivers think we have an advantage.please tell what it is.and there are a lot of door cars in super comp

Oh ya, diapers should be manditory on any car running slicks. Cheapest safety item you can have.


Posted By: ExoticFab5018

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/26/12 02:48 AM

---- ok I'll be honest,I would rather watch dragsters. I must be the minorty. while I'm reading this please tell me how the dragster has the advantage.I've been racing them for 33 years an I haven't found it yet/the only thing I found is that alot of door car drivers think we have an advantage.please tell what it is.and there are a lot of door cars in super comp

I have alot of freinds that run dragsters and yes they have advantages! These will be in no order but are all true. When dealing with a quick feild that you have to qualify to be in its much easier to go faster in a dragster that is 5-6 hundred lbs lighter than a door car. You can drive the finishline much better in dragsters being that you can see your front wheel and your opponents front end. Dragsters are more consistent bc they are lighter. As far as rather watching a dragster that goes 7.90 or a 7.90 doorcar you must be kidding right?! Lmao. No offense too dragster guys but what is different with them other than the paint job? They all just go straight down the track and have no personality to them. Door cars in super comp 8.90 racing?? Seriously? I ran an IHRA divisonal in quick rod in my door car and I was the only one there. My buddy runs QR and he says theyre might be 1 door car to every 100 dragsters.

The way I understood the Q32 rules going into the event was that the "all run" meant that it was the fastest 32 anything not 16 and 16. I like the fact that they did seperate them. Why not if it works out there is 16 of each? If you dont qualify you should absolutly not get money back. Thats the point of qualifying. If you didnt make it you should get free entry in box or no box. If you want to do a super quick class then you do a min dial, say 5.60, then everyone races and if you get 8 cars or 80 cars faster than 5.60 thats the class and dont call it a Q32. I think the event went as best it could with the oil downs. The track was marginal at best for the quick class. I hope in the future it is a better surface. Thanks to Josh and Jeff Allison and whom ever else was responsible for putting the race on. See you at the next one!
Posted By: top comp

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/26/12 03:15 AM

I thought the track was great(I went 3.79) that was our fasted pass to date.and on another note all darts look like darts,cudas,mustang ect. and as far as an advantage I can't see the other car when I'm staged(head pads)and yes it's faster because it's lighter,but hey you built the door car.it's a race car just like yours.over the years I've had my butt wipped by door cars more times than I can remember.the more you worry about me ,the easer you are to beat.just my thoughts( and I already proved that I can crash as good as any door car,I just don't want to do it again)O yea there are easer to work on.(old guys don't like to bent over fenders)
Posted By: ExoticFab5018

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/26/12 01:08 PM

I have to say that I was talking about super pro style dragsters, not your car. I made a qualifier against you and I thought my car was tied to a stump you blew past me so fast! And thats not bc your car is lighter, it's bc your making 3 x the hp! Lol. I dont envy you trying to bracket race a car that fast I'm sure it is extremely difficult!
Posted By: top comp

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/26/12 11:32 PM

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I have to say that I was talking about super pro style dragsters, not your car. I made a qualifier against you and I thought my car was tied to a stump you blew past me so fast! And thats not bc your car is lighter, it's bc your making 3 x the hp! Lol. I dont envy you trying to bracket race a car that fast I'm sure it is extremely difficult!


bracket racing the monster isn't as hard as you think,I think the last eight to ten passes were 3.799 to 3.383/I also have an 7.90 sbc dragster that is quite a bit differant than most and it's last 5 passes were within .008(but i've had the same combo since 1999. you have to tune what you have and not worry about what you're racing against.I race against door cars at milian and SMP that run the same way. that why I don't win all the time.
Posted By: Clanton

Re: Monster Mopar Quick 32 - 09/27/12 12:22 AM

Keep up the good work.

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