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Best way to 2000 hp #1307616 09/20/12 06:42 PM 09/20/12 06:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 568 Ky M moparmafia OP mopar
moparmafia OP mopar M Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 568 Ky	I was wondering what would be the best and most cost effective way to make 2000 hp with a big block mopar wedge. I know making that kind of power is not cheap at all but what would be the best route? I have seen prochargers site that claims 2400+ with an f3 or i was thinking twin turbos or could it be done with a predator motor on nos? i have an aluminum indy block and was thinking of which way to go. I was talking to a ford guy the other day and he said his mild 420 sbf with twin turbo makes 2300+ and he said the same cant be done with a wedge mopar. so any input or help would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Best way to 2000 hp [Re: moparmafia] #1307617 09/20/12 09:06 PM 09/20/12 09:06 PM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,091 Delray beach, Florida P Performance Only top fuel
Performance Only top fuel P Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,091 Delray beach, Florida	it's really not that hard to do, just pick your poison when it comes to how your going to create boost and use good heads. B-1's, B-1mc or predators and enough boost will easily make 2000 HP. don't think for a moment though that you can skimp on the quality of any of the other parts that will go in it or you'll build it more than once. machine shop owner and engine builder

Re: Best way to 2000 hp [Re: moparmafia] #1307618 09/20/12 09:44 PM 09/20/12 09:44 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 12,481 Chino Valley RodStRace I Live Here
RodStRace I Live Here Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 12,481 Chino Valley	Quote: I was talking to a ford guy the other day and he said his mild 420 sbf with twin turbo makes 2300+ and he said the same cant be done with a wedge mopar. so any input or help would be greatly appreciated. Just nod and back away, UNLESS you have a bunch of money just to prove him wrong.

Re: Best way to 2000 hp [Re: moparmafia] #1307619 09/20/12 09:48 PM 09/20/12 09:48 PM
Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 27 ohio T top comp member
top comp member T Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 27 ohio	best wat to 2000plus hp-- simple a good set of B-1s and a good blower

Re: Best way to 2000 hp [Re: moparmafia] #1307620 09/20/12 10:44 PM 09/20/12 10:44 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,206 New York polyspheric master
polyspheric master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,206 New York	I stop listening when someone (whose car is not visible) says "twin turbo". Boffin Emeritus

Re: Best way to 2000 hp [Re: moparmafia] #1307621 09/20/12 10:50 PM 09/20/12 10:50 PM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND fishy340 master
fishy340 master Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND	Copy what Marty Pearcy builds

Re: Best way to 2000 hp [Re: RodStRace] #1307622 09/20/12 10:52 PM 09/20/12 10:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 568 Ky M moparmafia OP mopar
moparmafia OP mopar M Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 568 Ky	Quote: Quote: I was talking to a ford guy the other day and he said his mild 420 sbf with twin turbo makes 2300+ and he said the same cant be done with a wedge mopar. so any input or help would be greatly appreciated. Just nod and back away, UNLESS you have a bunch of money just to prove him wrong. I don't want to spend money just to prove him wrong i was seriously thinking about running 10.5 outlaw the same as him. thats when he told me mopars were ok to have back in the 60s and 70s but their not something you would want to build today and try to go fast.I was thinking of trying max ported b1 original heads and an f3 blower but i don't know if that would be enough head even with higher boost.

Re: Best way to 2000 hp [Re: fishy340] #1307623 09/20/12 10:55 PM 09/20/12 10:55 PM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 224 in the middle D dodger mope enthusiast
dodger mope enthusiast D Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 224 in the middle	ford 2300 hp in a3000# mustang with all your ducks in a row should go 6.36 210 mph------ just saying

Re: Best way to 2000 hp [Re: moparmafia] #1307624 09/20/12 11:01 PM 09/20/12 11:01 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,391 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY Dragula I Live Here
Dragula I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,391 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	I don't believe the Predator heads fit a wedge block, so if your intending to use that, your stuck with B1's or Indy's.... And maybe one of these: http://www.smreperformance.com/images/monty-myler-2020hp-engine2.jpg Last edited by Dragula; 09/20/12 11:02 PM. '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

Re: Best way to 2000 hp [Re: Dragula] #1307625 09/20/12 11:15 PM 09/20/12 11:15 PM
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Performance Only top fuel P Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,091 Delray beach, Florida	Quote: I don't believe the Predator heads fit a wedge block, so if your intending to use that, your stuck with B1's or Indy's.... Predator heads are made for both Hemi and Wedge blocks. Last edited by Performance Only; 09/21/12 08:07 AM. machine shop owner and engine builder

Re: Best way to 2000 hp [Re: dodger mope] #1307626 09/21/12 12:44 AM 09/21/12 12:44 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,195 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,195 Bend,OR USA	Quote: ford 2300 hp in a3000# mustang with all your ducks in a row should go 6.36 210 mph------ just saying I know a 10.5 Outlaw Mustang with a Mopar motor on alcholol that has gone 4.20 at 180 MPH + in the 1/8, 226 + MPH in the 1/4 so far on alcholol A well sorted out 550 C.I. Predator headed motor boosted on alcholol should run that good or better, if you can hook it Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Best way to 2000 hp [Re: Dragula] #1307627 09/21/12 12:50 AM 09/21/12 12:50 AM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,397 Carson City, Nevada Biginchmopar pro stock
Biginchmopar pro stock Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,397 Carson City, Nevada	Quote: I don't believe the Predator heads fit a wedge block, so if your intending to use that, your stuck with B1's or Indy's.... Quote: Predators will fit Wedge or Hemi, they make both. Last edited by Biginchmopar; 09/21/12 12:52 AM.

Re: Best way to 2000 hp [Re: Biginchmopar] #1307628 09/21/12 08:38 AM 09/21/12 08:38 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,006 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart I Live Here
gregsdart I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,006 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	If you are building to a set of class rules that restrict cubic inch, then you have to have very good heads to compete. Only the best will do. If your goal is to just get to 2,000 hp with any size shortblock, the bigger the motor the easier and cheaper it is. The parts required still have to handle the power, but less boost/more cubes is a lot easier to work with than small cubes/huge boost numbers. The higher the boost pressure, the more the intake air temp goes up and the tougher it is to get it back to where you need it. I don't know about cost, but the turbos are the most efficient, prochargers close behind, then twin screw blowers, and at the bottom of the heap is the GMC style blower. A lot of it depends on what you like to work with. My personal favorite is a twin screw. Not the most efficient, but they have great power over the whole rpm range and no lag like some turbos will have. Last edited by gregsdart; 09/21/12 08:44 AM. 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: Best way to 2000 hp [Re: gregsdart] #1307629 09/21/12 10:36 AM 09/21/12 10:36 AM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 778 Sherwood park, Alberta. go green super stock
go green super stock Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 778 Sherwood park, Alberta.	My combo makes 2300 HP on 25 psi of boost . I think I got it figured out now . Last three passes were 6.832 , 6.834 , 6.780 and the car weighed 2950 at 209 to 212 for the MPH . The boost was ramped it at 2.3 seconds and this weekend I will try to have it all in at 1.4 this should give me better ET . It was doing a 4.44 to 4.46 and 168MPH in the 1/8 . Bringing boost in earlier will not make it so soggy in the front half . You will not make this power with a Indy block , I already tried .. 6.50 @ 226 MPH 4.25 @ 186 MPH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX86DHGKBo0

Re: Best way to 2000 hp [Re: go green] #1307630 09/21/12 10:44 AM 09/21/12 10:44 AM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,391 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY Dragula I Live Here
Dragula I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,391 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	Quote: My combo makes 2300 HP on 25 psi of boost . I think I got it figured out now . Last three passes were 6.832 , 6.834 , 6.780 and the car weighed 2950 at 209 to 212 for the MPH . The boost was ramped it at 2.3 seconds and this weekend I will try to have it all in at 1.4 this should give me better ET . It was doing a 4.44 to 4.46 and 168MPH in the 1/8 . Bringing boost in earlier will not make it so soggy in the front half . You will not make this power with a Indy block , I already tried .. As I recalled you moved the dowels out away from the cylinder bores...KB block now, correct? '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

Re: Best way to 2000 hp [Re: Dragula] #1307631 09/21/12 11:46 AM 09/21/12 11:46 AM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 778 Sherwood park, Alberta. go green super stock
go green super stock Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 778 Sherwood park, Alberta.	Yes , they are moved away from the cylinder bores , with the 4.5 bore the o-ring gets real close to the stock dowl . 6.50 @ 226 MPH 4.25 @ 186 MPH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX86DHGKBo0

Re: Best way to 2000 hp [Re: go green] #1307632 09/21/12 12:26 PM 09/21/12 12:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 568 Ky M moparmafia OP mopar
moparmafia OP mopar M Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 568 Ky	Quote: Yes , they are moved away from the cylinder bores , with the 4.5 bore the o-ring gets real close to the stock dowl . so is the kb block just thicker in this area? I was told my indy block was good for 2000+ hp

Re: Best way to 2000 hp [Re: moparmafia] #1307633 09/21/12 12:56 PM 09/21/12 12:56 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 778 Sherwood park, Alberta. go green super stock
go green super stock Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 778 Sherwood park, Alberta.	Stick your finger in the water transfer holes on the deck and feel the casting around the head bolt . They are not cast deep enough or big enough . With the stock 7/16 or if you go to 1/2 head studs there is only .750 thread engagement and no casting left to go deeper , it just goes nowhere . The thread cast is just stuck on the cylinder bore and 60% is hanging in the water jacket with no support . The KB is a solid deck with the water transfer port drilled the lower water gallery . 6.50 @ 226 MPH 4.25 @ 186 MPH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX86DHGKBo0

Re: Best way to 2000 hp [Re: moparmafia] #1307634 09/21/12 01:32 PM 09/21/12 01:32 PM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,091 Delray beach, Florida P Performance Only top fuel
Performance Only top fuel P Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,091 Delray beach, Florida	Quote: Quote: Yes , they are moved away from the cylinder bores , with the 4.5 bore the o-ring gets real close to the stock dowl . so is the kb block just thicker in this area? I was told my indy block was good for 2000+ hp i wouldn't ever attempt 2000+ horsepower on a Indy block. machine shop owner and engine builder

Re: Best way to 2000 hp [Re: Performance Only] #1307635 09/21/12 02:41 PM 09/21/12 02:41 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 911 London, England mopar_mark super stock
mopar_mark super stock Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 911 London, England	Being mid way through a Twin Turbo (4788's) fuel injected Hemi build, I can tell you this much . . . . 1) Work out your budget 2) Double the above 3) Add another 10% to the above, then you will be in the right ball park . . . . Sure, I have heard of cheaper, more powerfull Mopar combos, but also hear a lot [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] in the pub. I could of possibly gone with cheaper parts, but then it gets into a vicous cycle I am running a KB Block Last edited by mopar_mark; 09/21/12 02:42 PM.

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