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Best way to 2000 hp

Posted By: moparmafia

Best way to 2000 hp - 09/20/12 10:42 PM

I was wondering what would be the best and most cost effective way to make 2000 hp with a big block mopar wedge. I know making that kind of power is not cheap at all but what would be the best route? I have seen prochargers site that claims 2400+ with an f3 or i was thinking twin turbos or could it be done with a predator motor on nos? i have an aluminum indy block and was thinking of which way to go. I was talking to a ford guy the other day and he said his mild 420 sbf with twin turbo makes 2300+ and he said the same cant be done with a wedge mopar. so any input or help would be greatly appreciated.
Posted By: Performance Only

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 01:06 AM

it's really not that hard to do, just pick your poison when it comes to how your going to create boost and use good heads. B-1's, B-1mc or predators and enough boost will easily make 2000 HP. don't think for a moment though that you can skimp on the quality of any of the other parts that will go in it or you'll build it more than once.
Posted By: RodStRace

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 01:44 AM

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I was talking to a ford guy the other day and he said his mild 420 sbf with twin turbo makes 2300+ and he said the same cant be done with a wedge mopar. so any input or help would be greatly appreciated.




Just nod and back away, UNLESS you have a bunch of money just to prove him wrong.
Posted By: top comp

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 01:48 AM

best wat to 2000plus hp-- simple a good set of B-1s and a good blower
Posted By: polyspheric

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 02:44 AM

I stop listening when someone (whose car is not visible) says "twin turbo".
Posted By: fishy340

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 02:50 AM

Copy what Marty Pearcy builds
Posted By: moparmafia

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 02:52 AM

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I was talking to a ford guy the other day and he said his mild 420 sbf with twin turbo makes 2300+ and he said the same cant be done with a wedge mopar. so any input or help would be greatly appreciated.




Just nod and back away, UNLESS you have a bunch of money just to prove him wrong.




I don't want to spend money just to prove him wrong i was seriously thinking about running 10.5 outlaw the same as him. thats when he told me mopars were ok to have back in the 60s and 70s but their not something you would want to build today and try to go fast.I was thinking of trying max ported b1 original heads and an f3 blower but i don't know if that would be enough head even with higher boost.
Posted By: dodger mope

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 02:55 AM

ford 2300 hp in a3000# mustang with all your ducks in a row should go 6.36 210 mph------ just saying
Posted By: Dragula

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 03:01 AM

I don't believe the Predator heads fit a wedge block, so if your intending to use that, your stuck with B1's or Indy's....

And maybe one of these:
http://www.smreperformance.com/images/monty-myler-2020hp-engine2.jpg
Posted By: Performance Only

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 03:15 AM

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I don't believe the Predator heads fit a wedge block, so if your intending to use that, your stuck with B1's or Indy's....




Predator heads are made for both Hemi and Wedge blocks.

Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 04:44 AM

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ford 2300 hp in a3000# mustang with all your ducks in a row should go 6.36 210 mph------ just saying


I know a 10.5 Outlaw Mustang with a Mopar motor on alcholol that has gone 4.20 at 180 MPH + in the 1/8, 226 + MPH in the 1/4 so far on alcholol A well sorted out 550 C.I. Predator headed motor boosted on alcholol should run that good or better, if you can hook it
Posted By: Biginchmopar

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 04:50 AM

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I don't believe the Predator heads fit a wedge block, so if your intending to use that, your stuck with B1's or Indy's....
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Predators will fit Wedge or Hemi, they make both.

Posted By: gregsdart

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 12:38 PM

If you are building to a set of class rules that restrict cubic inch, then you have to have very good heads to compete. Only the best will do. If your goal is to just get to 2,000 hp with any size shortblock, the bigger the motor the easier and cheaper it is. The parts required still have to handle the power, but less boost/more cubes is a lot easier to work with than small cubes/huge boost numbers. The higher the boost pressure, the more the intake air temp goes up and the tougher it is to get it back to where you need it. I don't know about cost, but the turbos are the most efficient, prochargers close behind, then twin screw blowers, and at the bottom of the heap is the GMC style blower. A lot of it depends on what you like to work with. My personal favorite is a twin screw. Not the most efficient, but they have great power over the whole rpm range and no lag like some turbos will have.
Posted By: go green

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 02:36 PM

My combo makes 2300 HP on 25 psi of boost . I think I got it figured out now . Last three passes were 6.832 , 6.834 , 6.780 and the car weighed 2950 at 209 to 212 for the MPH . The boost was ramped it at 2.3 seconds and this weekend I will try to have it all in at 1.4 this should give me better ET . It was doing a 4.44 to 4.46 and 168MPH in the 1/8 . Bringing boost in earlier will not make it so soggy in the front half .

You will not make this power with a Indy block , I already tried ..
Posted By: Dragula

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 02:44 PM

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My combo makes 2300 HP on 25 psi of boost . I think I got it figured out now . Last three passes were 6.832 , 6.834 , 6.780 and the car weighed 2950 at 209 to 212 for the MPH . The boost was ramped it at 2.3 seconds and this weekend I will try to have it all in at 1.4 this should give me better ET . It was doing a 4.44 to 4.46 and 168MPH in the 1/8 . Bringing boost in earlier will not make it so soggy in the front half .

You will not make this power with a Indy block , I already tried ..




As I recalled you moved the dowels out away from the cylinder bores...KB block now, correct?
Posted By: go green

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 03:46 PM

Yes , they are moved away from the cylinder bores , with the 4.5 bore the o-ring gets real close to the stock dowl .
Posted By: moparmafia

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 04:26 PM

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Yes , they are moved away from the cylinder bores , with the 4.5 bore the o-ring gets real close to the stock dowl .



so is the kb block just thicker in this area? I was told my indy block was good for 2000+ hp
Posted By: go green

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 04:56 PM

Stick your finger in the water transfer holes on the deck and feel the casting around the head bolt . They are not cast deep enough or big enough . With the stock 7/16 or if you go to 1/2 head studs there is only .750 thread engagement and no casting left to go deeper , it just goes nowhere . The thread cast is just stuck on the cylinder bore and 60% is hanging in the water jacket with no support . The KB is a solid deck with the water transfer port drilled the lower water gallery .
Posted By: Performance Only

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 05:32 PM

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Yes , they are moved away from the cylinder bores , with the 4.5 bore the o-ring gets real close to the stock dowl .



so is the kb block just thicker in this area? I was told my indy block was good for 2000+ hp




i wouldn't ever attempt 2000+ horsepower on a Indy block.
Posted By: mopar_mark

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 06:41 PM

Being mid way through a Twin Turbo (4788's) fuel injected Hemi build, I can tell you this much . . . .

1) Work out your budget
2) Double the above
3) Add another 10% to the above, then you will be in the right ball park . . . .

Sure, I have heard of cheaper, more powerfull Mopar combos, but also hear a lot [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] in the pub.
I could of possibly gone with cheaper parts, but then it gets into a vicous cycle

I am running a KB Block
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 07:34 PM

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Being mid way through a Twin Turbo (4788's) fuel injected Hemi build, I can tell you this much . . . .

1) Work out your budget
2) Double the above
3) Add another 10% to the above, then you will be in the right ball park . . . .

Sure, I have heard of cheaper, more powerfull Mopar combos, but also hear a lot that crap in the pub.
I could of possibly gone with cheaper parts, but then it gets into a vicous cycle

I am running a KB Block


That man be smart
Posted By: moparmafia

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 09:57 PM

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Yes , they are moved away from the cylinder bores , with the 4.5 bore the o-ring gets real close to the stock dowl .



so is the kb block just thicker in this area? I was told my indy block was good for 2000+ hp




i wouldn't ever attempt 2000+ horsepower on a Indy block.




So what is the safe power level for an aluminum indy block?
Posted By: coronetville

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 10:04 PM

All you need is just one thing MONEY LOTS
Posted By: gregsdart

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 11:12 PM

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My combo makes 2300 HP on 25 psi of boost . I think I got it figured out now . Last three passes were 6.832 , 6.834 , 6.780 and the car weighed 2950 at 209 to 212 for the MPH . The boost was ramped it at 2.3 seconds and this weekend I will try to have it all in at 1.4 this should give me better ET . It was doing a 4.44 to 4.46 and 168MPH in the 1/8 . Bringing boost in earlier will not make it so soggy in the front half .

You will not make this power with a Indy block , I already tried ..



GOGREEN, would you share your motor build with us?
Posted By: WO23Coronet

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/21/12 11:24 PM

Search out member DusterDj, he built a KB 572 B1 original with twin F2's and made 2100 HP or so with pump gas. There's a video of the engine dyno and a pretty detailed build of the engine and his Dragweek Duster
Posted By: cudacustoms1

Re: Best way to 2000 hp - 09/22/12 12:10 AM

I know its a hemi but here's . Just over 2100hp on the dyno this spring. Thats 50% over on k11 superman. 39lbs of boost.Fathead BAE.The heads and rockers are for sale if you really want 2000plus hp.

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