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Re: Poor Man's rotisserie: 5 minute deal.
[Re: Kirby]
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08/23/12 02:08 PM
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I do have a rotisserie but we do this at the shop all the time when we want to do something quick without mounting the whole car.
Shortcuts, eh?
OK. I understand how your shop works now...
Boy- that's a cheap shot if I ever saw one. Domingo and his guys have more talent in their pinky fingers than MOST on this board, I have PERSONALLY seen the quality of their workmanship/metal fabrication skills- which are second to NONE! I think an apology is in order- but I'm sure you'll take the low road vs. the high- and just take another shot at Domingo- or myself. We'll just consider the source. 
Those kind of comments usally come from folks with no clue, so you just disregard everything they post.
I'd like to see a apology also.
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Re: Poor Man's rotisserie: 5 minute deal.
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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08/23/12 02:53 PM
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In ragards to Domingos Shop and help, I'll back what Kirby said, there's no lack of talent and ability down there that's for sure! 
there is a disreguard for safety here
no matter how much sugar you pour on it!
many people have been hurt and killed
trusting hydraulic pressure to holding up unsprung weight!
sorry, it is a short cut that should not be taken!
to tell someone it is "safe" or "ok" is plain ignorant and stupid and if you need explaining you are a lost cause 
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Re: Poor Man's rotisserie: 5 minute deal.
[Re: flypaper]
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08/23/12 03:36 PM
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In ragards to Domingos Shop and help, I'll back what Kirby said, there's no lack of talent and ability down there that's for sure!
there is a disreguard for safety here
no matter how much sugar you pour on it!
many people have been hurt and killed
trusting hydraulic pressure to holding up unsprung weight!
sorry, it is a short cut that should not be taken!
to tell someone it is "safe" or "ok" is plain ignorant and stupid and if you need explaining you are a lost cause
I believe he was taking a shot at Domingo's work- not his degree of safety.
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Re: Poor Man's rotisserie: 5 minute deal.
[Re: Kirby]
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08/23/12 03:45 PM
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I was not going to post again.... But hey, lifts have hydraulic pistons....and they have some kind of restraint system in case the piston fails. Also all of those guys too scared to use hydraulic equipment, i wonder how you get around using a hydraulic press....have you ever seen one of those things unload all of a sudden when pressing stuff???? Still, people use em. Jack the car as I showed, fix it solid somehow for safety and thats it. When working with power tools, cars, and any other type of equipment in a shop you just have to watch out for safety always...but you are always at risk even if you are just standing there and watching. Just make it as safe as you can. Its just an easy way of puting your car in a workable position QUICK with a tool most any car hobbyist already has in his garage. This is a tip mostly for backyard hobbyists. I have a shop, and I find it handy in certain occasions...Even when I have a rotisserie AND a lift. PERIOD. Now this is my last post. Anything else and its just beating a dead horse. Oh BTW, all you guys stop eating McDonalds, drinking pop soda, processed foods packed with preservatives and chemical crap, and all that junk most all of you guys eat on a daily basis....that might kill you way faster than my backyard trick. LOL.  Kirby: No lobster for you!!! -inside joke- 
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Re: Poor Man's rotisserie: 5 minute deal.
[Re: Kirby]
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08/23/12 03:48 PM
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there is a disreguard for safety here
no matter how much sugar you pour on it!
many people have been hurt and killed
trusting hydraulic pressure to holding up unsprung weight!
sorry, it is a short cut that should not be taken!
to tell someone it is "safe" or "ok" is plain ignorant and stupid and if you need explaining you are a lost cause
No sugar needed, if you look at my first post I both congratulated them for a good idea and also questioned the safety aspects. Not so much because I felt they needed my input, but more so for the person who might lack the know how or experience who's reading the thread and trying the same at home without taking further precations and possibly getting hurt in the process.
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Re: Poor Man's rotisserie: 5 minute deal.
[Re: Kirby]
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08/23/12 04:08 PM
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In ragards to Domingos Shop and help, I'll back what Kirby said, there's no lack of talent and ability down there that's for sure!
there is a disreguard for safety here
no matter how much sugar you pour on it!
many people have been hurt and killed
trusting hydraulic pressure to holding up unsprung weight!
sorry, it is a short cut that should not be taken!
to tell someone it is "safe" or "ok" is plain ignorant and stupid and if you need explaining you are a lost cause
I believe he was taking a shot at Domingo's work- not his degree of safety.
i took it as a shot in general
stan has a very good point!
he is pointing out the obvious and i feel
he owes nothing to anyone!
domingo forgets people are stupid in general
not everyone who reads this is savvy
next you will see is someone getting hurt
because they used thier harbor frieght shop crane
to lift a c body with only the door removed
to fit the crane in
because he saw it work on moparts...
if domingo wants to take chances like that
or paint without a respirator
thats great!
encouraging others to do the same isn't....
all the talent in world is worth squat
when you are not around to use it.
btw
i use a shop crane to lift car shells up like that
but i put the shell right down on my small
trailer to move it or hang it on the rotissere
it does not stay suspended in the air any longer then needed
and i NEVER go under it when it is suspended PERIOD!
it is not worth taking the chance...
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Re: Poor Man's rotisserie: 5 minute deal.
[Re: Kirby]
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08/24/12 09:35 AM
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I believe he was taking a shot at Domingo's work- not his degree of safety.
You're dead wrong.
I know all about Domingo's excellent work.
It was concerning the safety practices.
BTW, if one takes a safety shortcut, you don't go around passing it as a great idea and helpful hint. That is stupid.
If he's allowed to say something stupid, I'm allowed to take a so called "cheap shot".
Now go choose something else to hate me for. In your case it will be easy.
You want to drink the Koolaid and worship everything your god says as pure wisdom? Fine.
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Re: Lateral weight on wheels?
[Re: p d'ro]
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08/24/12 03:47 PM
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I don't know enough about it, but would all of that weight for extended periods on the side of the whels cause issues with bearings, joints, etc? Seems like a lot of lateral force on an area not designed to take it.
nope, its about as much force as driving around a corner. I have no problems with this method. I may include a jack stand though. Tim
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Re: Lateral weight on wheels?
[Re: astjp2]
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08/24/12 11:24 PM
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I myself can see a quite a few ways to safely support a car like this that anybody could do at home.  to Domingo. We all decide our own level of risk. Agreed, not every guy with a car and a hoist is capable of truly understanding the physics behind it all and will become a statistic. Won't matter if it was posted here or not. It's how evolution works.
I can't afford this.
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Re: Lateral weight on wheels?
[Re: a12superbee]
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08/25/12 03:32 AM
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I myself can see a quite a few ways to safely support a car like this that anybody could do at home.
to Domingo.
We all decide our own level of risk.
Agreed, not every guy with a car and a hoist is capable of truly understanding the physics behind it all and will become a statistic. Won't matter if it was posted here or not.
It's how evolution works.
Main things to do: add a safety support under the car, and keep the center of gravity in mind.
My car is totally stripped, and the body in white weighs 460 lbs. Lifting one side with a seat belt anchor would be around half that, or about 230 lbs. I have been planning to raise up one side of the car to about 45 degrees, but I had not thought about using the seat belt anchor - great idea! Wouldn't ya think that anchor has to be good for well north of 230 lbs?
I'll be bolting wood skids to where the K frame mounts and where the rear springs mount. These skids will also serve as a dolly for transporting the shell to a painter. And they will keep the center of gravity for sure on the correct side of the axis of rotation of the body shell.
Thanks for the tip, Domingo!
If you don't see two dolphins, you need a vacation.
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Re: Lateral weight on wheels?
[Re: UCUDANT]
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08/26/12 10:47 AM
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Great idea but please use a back up safety stand.A buddy of mine died a couple of weeks ago when his hydraulic jack failed.He was a member here but did not post much.His last project was that tuff 69 Charger R/T 410 Dana Auto car that he purchased from another member here last year....it was in the B Body cars for sale section for months.He had made great progress on it. greg
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Re: Poor Man's rotisserie: 5 minute deal.
[Re: Commando1]
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08/27/12 11:29 AM
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I believe he was taking a shot at Domingo's work- not his degree of safety.
You're dead wrong.
I know all about Domingo's excellent work.
It was concerning the safety practices.
BTW, if one takes a safety shortcut, you don't go around passing it as a great idea and helpful hint. That is stupid.
If he's allowed to say something stupid, I'm allowed to take a so called "cheap shot".
Now go choose something else to hate me for. In your case it will be easy.
You want to drink the Koolaid and worship everything your god says as pure wisdom? Fine.
As predicted-
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