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e body steering column slop? #1275909 07/29/12 04:22 PM 07/29/12 04:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 138 Los Angeles, CA 71_dramaqueen OP member
71_dramaqueen OP member Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 138 Los Angeles, CA	I'm trying to track down about 15deg of play in the steering on an ebody. Everything is new (ball joints, arms, pwr steering box). Do the ebody columns have any internal connection that can wear and produce slop in the steering? The pot joint just got rebuilt and it is not causing it as far as i can tell. 1971 challenger. 6.2L Hellcat, T56 Magnum

Re: e body steering column slop? [Re: 71_dramaqueen] #1275910 07/29/12 04:49 PM 07/29/12 04:49 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	You sure the you have the shoes installed properly in the "pot joint"?

Re: e body steering column slop? [Re: Challenger 1] #1275911 07/29/12 07:23 PM 07/29/12 07:23 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,806 Northern NJ StukaJU87 master
StukaJU87 master Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,806 Northern NJ	Quote: You sure the you have the shoes installed properly in the "pot joint"? That was my first guess too. The guy that replaced my power steering box put them in wrong and I had to pull the column and fix it myself. Scott 1969 Super Bee, 383/4 speed

Re: e body steering column slop? [Re: StukaJU87] #1275912 07/30/12 05:34 PM 07/30/12 05:34 PM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 138 Los Angeles, CA 71_dramaqueen OP member
71_dramaqueen OP member Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 138 Los Angeles, CA	I dont believe it is the pot joint. The company that makes the box also suggested i check the shoes as they could have been put in sideways. I cannot see a movement discrepancy between the shaft and pot. I also can put my hand on them while the wheel is being rocked and not feel any slack. 1971 challenger. 6.2L Hellcat, T56 Magnum

Re: e body steering column slop? [Re: 71_dramaqueen] #1275913 07/30/12 06:06 PM 07/30/12 06:06 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,368 Iowa burdar Owen's Dad
burdar Owen's Dad Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,368 Iowa	Have someone wiggle the wheel back and forth while you go under the car and put your hand on each suspension connection. Make sure the steering box mounts on the K-member aren't broken. The factory welding job was poor. There is some adjustment in the steering box. You loosen a jamb nut and use an allen wrench to adjust. The procedure should be in the FSM.

Re: e body steering column slop? [Re: burdar] #1275914 07/30/12 06:17 PM 07/30/12 06:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows? 1_WILD_RT Management Trainee
1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	There is a slip joint for the column to colapse but the design is such that slop isn't likely & 15 degrees isn't possible... If it's not in the coupler than my next question is are you sure it's in the column & not the box? And if it could be in the box are you checking with the engine off or the engine running? Cause engine off means you'll feel lots of what you perceive as slop but actually is the control valve opening a fluid passage in either direction.... "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: e body steering column slop? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1275915 07/30/12 07:17 PM 07/30/12 07:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 138 Los Angeles, CA 71_dramaqueen OP member
71_dramaqueen OP member Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 138 Los Angeles, CA	Quote: There is a slip joint for the column to colapse but the design is such that slop isn't likely & 15 degrees isn't possible... If it's not in the coupler than my next question is are you sure it's in the column & not the box? And if it could be in the box are you checking with the engine off or the engine running? Cause engine off means you'll feel lots of what you perceive as slop but actually is the control valve opening a fluid passage in either direction.... How much play could the slip joint cause? It could it be adding to a problem elsewhere. How hard is it to check this if i pull the column? And yes I do have it running while I check. With the car on the ground I can look from above and see the pot connector (and splined connection to box) move about 1/8 of a turn back and forth before seeing the steering arm wiggle. This does not seem right to me. Welds are sold on the mount, I may try the gear adjustment as a last resort before pulling this NEW box. -thanks for the advice 1971 challenger. 6.2L Hellcat, T56 Magnum

Re: e body steering column slop? [Re: 71_dramaqueen] #1275916 07/30/12 07:40 PM 07/30/12 07:40 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows? 1_WILD_RT Management Trainee
1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	To isolate if the slop is in the column or elsewhere use a par of jumbo channel locks grab the coupler pot with the jaws & lock the handle against the inner fender, while holding the channel locks have an assistant feel the steering wheel for slop... It should be pretty obvious if there is a problem or not.... "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: e body steering column slop? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1275917 07/30/12 07:46 PM 07/30/12 07:46 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,930 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,930 Grand Prairie,Texas	Even new boxes may need a bit of adjustment.

Re: e body steering column slop? [Re: stumpy] #1275918 07/30/12 08:24 PM 07/30/12 08:24 PM
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ahy master A Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN	For power steering are you testing with engine running? PS boxes with no power can feel sloppy but OK with the pump running.

Re: e body steering column slop? [Re: ahy] #1275919 07/30/12 08:31 PM 07/30/12 08:31 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 549 WV J JohnH mopar
JohnH mopar J Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 549 WV	I installed my shoes in wrong, and had to re fix it.. Had the same problem as you have now..

Re: e body steering column slop? [Re: JohnH] #1275920 07/31/12 09:26 PM 07/31/12 09:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,436 Oklahoma City OK Cudajon pro stock
Cudajon pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,436 Oklahoma City OK	Get rid of that pot and put in a Flaming River coupler. All the difference in the world. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J3K94cRC1c

Re: e body steering column slop? [Re: Cudajon] #1275921 07/31/12 10:17 PM 07/31/12 10:17 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 1,038 Howell, Mi Shatar4 super stock
Shatar4 super stock Joined: May 2004 Posts: 1,038 Howell, Mi	Quote: Get rid of that pot and put in a Flaming River coupler. All the difference in the world. What's the part number for that?

Re: e body steering column slop? [Re: Shatar4] #1275922 08/01/12 12:22 PM 08/01/12 12:22 PM
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71_dramaqueen OP member Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 138 Los Angeles, CA	Hmmm I like that u-joint type. Second on the part #. I did put the shoes in right but the design inherently has a little slack. So indeed after more diagnosis it is my NEW firm Feel box causing all the slop. I wonder if the warranty covers the many hours of cursing with the starter, headers and motor to get it out?........NOT 1971 challenger. 6.2L Hellcat, T56 Magnum

Re: e body steering column slop? [Re: 71_dramaqueen] #1275923 08/01/12 12:48 PM 08/01/12 12:48 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: Hmmm I like that u-joint type. Second on the part #. I did put the shoes in right but the design inherently has a little slack. So indeed after more diagnosis it is my NEW firm Feel box causing all the slop. I wonder if the warranty covers the many hours of cursing with the starter, headers and motor to get it out?........NOT It's not Firm Feels fault, I'd bet a 1000 bucks their box is tight. I'd also bet a 1000 bucks you have the coupler togeather wrong.

Re: e body steering column slop? [Re: Shatar4] #1275924 08/01/12 01:13 PM 08/01/12 01:13 PM
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6PKRTSE master 6 Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,566 Motor City	Quote: Quote: Get rid of that pot and put in a Flaming River coupler. All the difference in the world. What's the part number for that? That is what I did on my 70 Challenger when i went to a custom made tubular column. 1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute 1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack 1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi 1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL 1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383 1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440 1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4 2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4 2012 Challenger R/T Classic.

Re: e body steering column slop? [Re: 6PKRTSE] #1275925 08/01/12 03:54 PM 08/01/12 03:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 489 NE B bigtail mopar
bigtail mopar B Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 489 NE	Part number is FR1506P. Bought one for my Challenger, but haven't installed it yet. New Firm Feel box, Stage 2 also not yet installed. This page is made up completely of recycled electrons.

Re: e body steering column slop? [Re: bigtail] #1275926 08/01/12 05:29 PM 08/01/12 05:29 PM
Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,042 colorado S savoy64 top fuel
savoy64 top fuel S Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,042 colorado	was there a little flat spring that held the little shoes out to full extension?

Re: e body steering column slop? [Re: savoy64] #1275927 08/01/12 08:08 PM 08/01/12 08:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,436 Oklahoma City OK Cudajon pro stock
Cudajon pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,436 Oklahoma City OK	Here check this out. Power steering and tubular A arms http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J3K94cRC1c

Re: e body steering column slop? [Re: Cudajon] #1275928 08/01/12 10:34 PM 08/01/12 10:34 PM
Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 489 NE B bigtail mopar
bigtail mopar B Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 489 NE	One major reason that I haven't installed the Flaming River u-joint, is that they don't tell you until after you buy it that it is NOT A SIMPLE BOLT IN DEAL. you have to cut your steering shaft off by 1 1/2" to install it on a factory power steering set up. I'm going to eventually replace my motor, and while that is being done, re-weld the K member and install the Firm Feel power unit all at the same time. No sense in doing things three times when you can do it all at once. This page is made up completely of recycled electrons.

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