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Re: Return of ALTERKATION fued
[Re: 68Plymouths]
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06/15/12 03:45 PM
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Dan@Hotchkis
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I've added a jam nut, so there will be some deflection in the bushing, but I don't anticipate it will roll much.
I'd look into a secondary way to stabilize that LCA from rotating. A jam nut and that strut may not be enough for extended use. I would also be inclined to think that after the suspension cycles a few thousand times, that jam nut may find its way loose. That said however, as far as race car suspensions, I like what you did there.
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Re: Return of ALTERKATION fued
[Re: Dan@Hotchkis]
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06/15/12 06:23 PM
06/15/12 06:23 PM
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Milford, IL
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I've added a jam nut, so there will be some deflection in the bushing, but I don't anticipate it will roll much.
I'd look into a secondary way to stabilize that LCA from rotating. A jam nut and that strut may not be enough for extended use. I would also be inclined to think that after the suspension cycles a few thousand times, that jam nut may find its way loose. That said however, as far as race car suspensions, I like what you did there.
Thanks for the suggestion.  The suspension is going to have to be maintained at regular intervals because the heims are going to have to be cleaned and lubed. I'll be sure to check the jam nut and keep an eye on the lca rotating. Also, the lower coil-over mount helps to keep it from rotating. 
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Re: Return of ALTERKATION fued
[Re: Kern Dog]
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06/16/12 04:42 AM
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I only have one question.... What's a fued ? I don't have a Phd.. Is it a new language? I work with quite a few folks with Phd's, I have a brother & a sister with Phd's... I wouldn't say they all have perfect spelling, but I will say I've never seen such an obvious misspelling posted on an open forum by any of them... FWIW I read most of the first post & I've read most of this post... I haven't seen folks saying anything negative about the Altercation stuff, I've seen people question the need or if there is any real gain but I don't see that as negative yet I see a number of posts slamming the OE stuff & torsion bars... The only people in a "Feud" appear to be the Altercation supporters... 
"The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."
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Re: Return of ALTERKATION fued
[Re: 1_WILD_RT]
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06/16/12 01:00 PM
06/16/12 01:00 PM
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Santa Fe Springs, CA
Dan@Hotchkis
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No, I did not miss the first thread... The majority of people saying something if flawed are the Altercation supporters sayin the stock stuff doesn't work well....
I think if it is one thing that has been proven, the faster/fastest cars out there are cars using the stock based components. At out last Auto cross event, The fastest car was our Challenger on 200 TW tires, and I was fourth in the Road Runner, also on 200 TW tires. The two cars that beat me were 1st gen Camaros, both with full C6 vette underpinnings, and one of them was on R-Comps. Both the Challenger and I never did a run without passengers. The field was pretty varied, had new muscle from the big three, an 09 ACR Viper, and plenty of older muscle.
I think that the only black eye given to my/our record was at the 2011 OUSCI, since the Road Runner was completely unprepared for that event, but I still beat out both the other Mopars there overall in points.
That said, our cars, on leafs and torsion bars are still more capable than most other cars. At our track days, The Road Runner has no issues keeping up with Spectre's Carbon Camaro, and many of our other cars. I'll be tearing the car down a bit next month, for more tire, more motor and less spring/more sway bar in the front as well as seeing if we can get the trans shifting a bit better (high speed down shifts are no bueno right now).
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Re: Return of ALTERKATION fued
[Re: Dan@Hotchkis]
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06/16/12 02:16 PM
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... less spring/more sway bar in the front ...
That's what I do with my AMX, works for me. Also did it with my '71 Plymouth Sebring way back in the '70s, worked great on the street also, soft ride and took the corners great. Even handled the 1/4 mile oval at midnight one race weekend. The guys I was on their pit crew said I did better with my street car then the 'stock' race cars did, even tho I was the only car out there. 
Tom
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Men and fish are alike. They both get into trouble when they open their mouths
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Re: Return of ALTERKATION fued
[Re: Dan@Hotchkis]
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06/16/12 08:53 PM
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Fly Over States
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No, I did not miss the first thread... The majority of people saying something if flawed are the Altercation supporters sayin the stock stuff doesn't work well....
I think if it is one thing that has been proven, the faster/fastest cars out there are cars using the stock based components. At out last Auto cross event, The fastest car was our Challenger on 200 TW tires, and I was fourth in the Road Runner, also on 200 TW tires. The two cars that beat me were 1st gen Camaros, both with full C6 vette underpinnings, and one of them was on R-Comps. Both the Challenger and I never did a run without passengers. The field was pretty varied, had new muscle from the big three, an 09 ACR Viper, and plenty of older muscle.
I think that the only black eye given to my/our record was at the 2011 OUSCI, since the Road Runner was completely unprepared for that event, but I still beat out both the other Mopars there overall in points.
That said, our cars, on leafs and torsion bars are still more capable than most other cars. At our track days, The Road Runner has no issues keeping up with Spectre's Carbon Camaro, and many of our other cars. I'll be tearing the car down a bit next month, for more tire, more motor and less spring/more sway bar in the front as well as seeing if we can get the trans shifting a bit better (high speed down shifts are no bueno right now).
Track times and speeds are quantifiable measurements that cannot lie........
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Re: Return of ALTERKATION fued
[Re: TC@HP2]
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06/20/12 12:15 PM
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I've said it before and I'll say it again; IMO, While they may provide some improvements in geometry the biggest gain in "feel" that most aftermarket suspensions provide is because knowledgeable engineering types are specifying spring and shock rates that better achieve a more neuteral balance to the roll percentages than what most laymen can put together themselves. This, in turn, is interpreted as a superior package over the stock longitudal layout. While they are typically incrementally better, they usually are not quantum leap better. The exception possibly being the bent bar set ups, which were a pooch right out of the gate.
Worth saying again, but if you could make it sound "cooler", they just might start to listen, but probably not. 
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: Return of ALTERKATION fued
[Re: Dos Snails]
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06/24/12 11:04 PM
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So what are we looking at, are those c7 spindles?
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: Return of ALTERKATION fued
[Re: Dos Snails]
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06/24/12 11:13 PM
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Can you "attach" the printouts for easier reading? Looks neat
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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