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Re: Another dead orange box.
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I am sorry to hear about that!  ------------------------------------------------ I wonder what company is going to step up and offer us a GOOD/RELIABLE stock replacement/upgrade ECU? Both ballast type and non-ballast(12v) ECU's would be nice to choose from. FBO and Rev-n-nator are both testing their new ECU's. Who is it going to be!!!!!!
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Re: Another dead orange box.
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The one thing I learned about those boxes is to have them mounted with the factory spacer that came on 75' & later Charger Brougham's. Its a cad plated piece, makes a -|__|- design....if that box overheats, the insides go melty melty...ever had the back of those things (insulation) melt and run down your firewall? Its not a pretty sight. I had a Chrome Box on my Dart for 5 years and nothing went wrong with it, I just wised up and put an MSD before I became a victim of the failure on one of my long trips.
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Re: Another dead orange box.
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I'm a believer in grinding paint off the mounting area so you're grounded properly to bare steel...
Clean steel;a little di-electric;drawn down snug...
Lost one in 20,000 miles...
That's what I did, sanded to bare metal where the box attaches, on both the box and fender. Also used one of those sharp star washers under each bolt. I'm sure there was a good ground.
On the Mirada though, the box bolts directly to the inner fender apron. There's no bracket that allows an air gap. I may add one similar to what my NY'er has.
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Re: Another dead orange box.
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05/01/12 11:04 PM
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I ditched the POS ECU's and use MSD on anything that I want to actually start and run.
I've drove them thousands of miles and never had an MSD fail.
I can't say the same about ECU's.
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Re: Another dead orange box.
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05/01/12 11:11 PM
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ECU failure, both mine and what I have read here and other boards, is why I went with an HEI system.
Eric
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Re: Another dead orange box.
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05/02/12 12:56 AM
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Ironic.. This issue come up every few weeks.. One can get a chrome box for about $50 why cut corners with an orange box.. The chrome box in my RR has been in there 10 years, I did try an MSD box a couple of years back... Didn't run any better, put the MSD box in my son's car and reinstalled the chrome box... Just my $0.02.. 
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Re: Another dead orange box.
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05/02/12 11:56 AM
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Ironic..
This issue come up every few weeks..
One can get a chrome box for about $50 why cut corners with an orange box..
Problem is the electronic conversion kit people buy comes with the orange box , you have to spend more to get the chrome box on top of the kit. Heck even the Crate motors are/were sold with that POS orange box.
It took MP 30 plus year to supply the kit with a distributor that had an adjustable mechanical advance , how long will it take for them to change the orange box to stop pulling out the retard above 4000 rpm?
MP are you listening ??? FIX the orange box or just sell the kit with the chrome box .
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Re: Another dead orange box.
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05/03/12 11:07 PM
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I ditched the POS ECU's and use MSD on anything that I want to actually start and run.
I've drove them thousands of miles and never had an MSD fail.
I can't say the same about ECU's.
Hell, just last month my MSD 6AL took a dump and almost left me stranded. Luckily I carry a spare parts store ECU with a wiring harness and ballast. In their defense though I shipped it back to MSD for repair and they only charged me $35.
It did last a lot longer than the orange box it replaced though.
I guess I'm just lucky.
I've run a couple of 6AL's on street cars with many different motors and never had a problem. I have had them where they can get airflow over them, though. I DON'T use the little, ghey, blue wire connectors that come with them, though, and wire them up the RIGHT way!
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Re: Another dead orange box.
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05/03/12 11:32 PM
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I'm toying with sticking one of those inside an orange box so it will plug into the factory harness . easier to just swap that out and it can be bought ANYWHERE.
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Re: Another dead orange box.
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05/03/12 11:46 PM
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Now thats a hell of an idea, but I'd put it in a stock ECU.  
If I can dig one up that would be a better option , i only have orange boxes to work with at the moment.
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Re: Another dead orange box.
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05/03/12 11:50 PM
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I got a whole bunch on stock ECU's.. all working.. If you ever get the itch, I'll send you a couple on my dime.
When it takes more than a sweet mullet to prove you rule at the trailer park..
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Re: Another dead orange box.
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05/04/12 10:11 AM
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FBO was putting the GM hei modules inside Mopar boxes at one time. He is trying something else now. If you guys insist on doing it,I would suggest an aftermarket performance unit. The stock ones are not a.ny better than the MP boxes. I replaced several stock ones when I was a general mechanic,they need to be mounted solidly and with dielectric grease on their back to last.
I wouldn't waste time using a stock one , definitely a performance unit mounted to a heat sink. I like the new MSD that has a rev limiter built into it , but it's a little pricey .
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Re: Another dead orange box.
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05/04/12 10:15 AM
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From what I read it sounds like the orange ECU's made from about 2004 maybe and up are the ones giving trouble ? Thats because I bought two orange box's in 1996 and both are still going strong right now. One is still on my 63 and has helped it run 10.70's with no ign problem at all. I do plan to upgrade to MSD one day when I can afford it a little easier. But it just seems all the newer ones bought in the last 8 to 10 years are the ones that seem to give everyone trouble. Ron
Ron , have you compared the 2 you have to something else ? Have you had a timing light on it and brought the RPMS up to 5000 to see if the timing is retarding above 4? I had an orange box back in the 80's, the 340 I had it on ran better with the accel dual point race distributor I switched back and forth between.
I'd like to see someone with one of these older orange boxes do a back to back at the track with something else , even a current chrome box.
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Re: Another dead orange box.
[Re: DARTH V8Я]
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05/04/12 10:23 AM
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Not with a orange vs chrome, but at the track my orange box crapped out, I put one of those part store 'blue' ones on. No ET difference at all. This was bracket racing and I never changed my dial in 
That's not saying much for the orange box then is it ?
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Re: Another dead orange box.
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05/04/12 10:49 AM
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I'd like to see someone with one of these older orange boxes do a back to back at the track with something else , even a current chrome box.
I never tried it at the track when I ran the MP boxes on my cars,but I have done back to back dyno pulls.
My old orange box(mid 80's unit) runs exactly the same as a chrome box I bought in 2000. The orange box I bought around 2000 runs differently.
Different coils and different ditributor's pick up coil signals make a big difference on how any of them work.
I am testing several other boxes against them all. I hope to write an article on all these very soon.
Keith
i did some back to back tests at the track and on a chassis dyno. this was a near stock 440 with a 6-pak and auto trans. there wasn't any difference in box changes or an aftermarket ignition. i used to build a bracket 470 for some poor boys. they ran 10.00's with one of my homemade factory distributors and an LX101 box. put an MSD7 with an MSD distributor in it and it ran 10.00's. this is why i don't buy any of the ignition gadgets, especially MSD. besides, i've seen too many 6al's blow up and i don't want to be stuck along side the road. these "wonder" ignitons are only as good as the old ignition is bad. the only time i can see to run the MSD is in a bracket car that needs some electronic gadgetry to make it work.
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Re: Another dead orange box.
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05/04/12 04:14 PM
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Now there's an idea! Room for a heat sink that can't be seen as well. 
 how about using a broken 404 bc box,theres a big heat sink
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Re: Another dead orange box.
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05/04/12 06:04 PM
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Now there's an idea! Room for a heat sink that can't be seen as well.
how about using a broken 404 bc box,theres a big heat sink
what is a 404bc box ?
I want to use the cast the stock electronics come in that way you can just plug it right back into the harness .
I need to figure out to melt the potting out of one of these things , I can whip together something over the weekend .
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Re: Another dead orange box.
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05/06/12 10:41 PM
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Just out of curiosity - has anyone tried the Standard LX101 ignition box? I heard/read from several sources that it was one of the best aftermarket ignition boxes you can buy for Mopars.
Don at FBO said the LX101 box was great until Standard products started manufacturing it overseas. Not sure if this is true?
We have had good luck with the LX-101 it holds up pretty well, the LX-101T (cheaper version) is questionable....
Just my $0.02...
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Re: Another dead orange box.
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05/21/12 12:02 PM
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I'm toying with sticking one of those inside an orange box so it will plug into the factory harness . easier to just swap that out and it can be bought ANYWHERE.
I finally started this project yeasterday , Meliting the potting out of it is taking longer than I hoped . I just bought a generic replacement from Vatozone and a friend supplied a parts store replacement ECU for the holder.
If this works out I will look into putting an MSD brain in it .
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Re: Another dead orange box.
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05/21/12 05:52 PM
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The one thing I learned about those boxes is to have them mounted with the factory spacer that came on 75' & later Charger Brougham's. Its a cad plated piece, makes a -|__|- design....if that box overheats, the insides go melty melty...ever had the back of those things (insulation) melt and run down your firewall? Its not a pretty sight. I had a Chrome Box on my Dart for 5 years and nothing went wrong with it, I just wised up and put an MSD before I became a victim of the failure on one of my long trips.
Can somebody post a pic of that mounting bracket??
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Re: Another dead orange box.
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10/26/13 04:17 PM
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Now there's an idea! Room for a heat sink that can't be seen as well.
how about using a broken 404 bc box,theres a big heat sink
what is a 404bc box ?
I want to use the cast the stock electronics come in that way you can just plug it right back into the harness .
I need to figure out to melt the potting out of one of these things , I can whip together something over the weekend .
hej,i think it was the first mopar plug in box made by autotronics/msd. gold colored with big cooling fins.then came the 5c 6c 7c boxes,as far as i know 
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Re: Another dead orange box.
[Re: Wheeler]
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10/26/13 04:48 PM
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Don at FBO said the LX101 box was great until Standard products started manufacturing it overseas. Not sure if this is true?
I bought one a month ago & it said Made in china in big bold letters on it (so I bought 2 of em to have a spare). EDIT iirc the 404 box that had the pentastar connector did not have the same wiring schematic as normal ECU's do. It'd plug in but either not work or fry something
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