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cryogenics ? #1223017 04/27/12 10:46 AM 04/27/12 10:46 AM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 976 ontario canada mac56 OP super stock
mac56 OP super stock Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 976 ontario canada	Just wondering if anyone is using this process other than rocker arms? Cranks or blocks? Thanks

Re: cryogenics ? [Re: mac56] #1223018 04/27/12 11:59 AM 04/27/12 11:59 AM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 293 Kansas City Metro M mbogina enthusiast
mbogina enthusiast M Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 293 Kansas City Metro	In addition, we have used cryo on roller lifters, heads, valve springs, valves, and keepers, lots of items benefit from cryo. Be a Rebel- Break the Laws of Physics!

Re: cryogenics ? [Re: mbogina] #1223019 04/27/12 12:24 PM 04/27/12 12:24 PM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 592 Sullivan, Ohio M Max Wedge Savoy mopar
Max Wedge Savoy mopar M Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 592 Sullivan, Ohio	My cast Stock Eliminator crank was cryo'd. Never had an issue with it after.

Re: cryogenics ? [Re: mbogina] #1223020 04/27/12 12:33 PM 04/27/12 12:33 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,401 Tucson, Arizona M MRMOPAR top fuel
MRMOPAR top fuel M Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,401 Tucson, Arizona	Quote: In addition, we have used cryo on roller lifters, heads, valve springs, valves, and keepers, lots of items benefit from cryo. along with those, I have also done the ring and pinion. 68 RR 528" INDY MAXX 07 2500 CTD Southwest International Raceway - IHRA - Tucson, AZ

Re: cryogenics ? [Re: mac56] #1223021 04/27/12 12:35 PM 04/27/12 12:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Is there any quantifiable data for the benefits from using cryo-treated iron, steel and aluminum parts? Everything I've found during research I did a few years ago always seemed to rely on theoretical improvements, rather than actual test results.

Re: cryogenics ? [Re: BradH] #1223022 04/27/12 01:34 PM 04/27/12 01:34 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 293 Kansas City Metro M mbogina enthusiast
mbogina enthusiast M Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 293 Kansas City Metro	We had lots of problems with the Comp Cams 829 Roller Lifters when used w big spring pressures, we basically crushed the rollers and turned them to dust. The cryo lifters appear to last about 3 times as long as the non-cryo in this application. I don't have measurable results on any other items. I had worked a deal to dyno a Super Stock Hemi motor, have everything cryo treated and re-dyno, but we never went through with it. Be a Rebel- Break the Laws of Physics!

Re: cryogenics ? [Re: mbogina] #1223023 04/27/12 01:41 PM 04/27/12 01:41 PM
Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 781 wine country 8 8urvette super stock
8urvette super stock 8 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 781 wine country	my cousin runs a 11 sec srt4- full interior just built motor on slicks. blew apart a few input shafts. paid to get one cryo treated and has been running it for 2-3 years now problem free. mind u he had exploded the "new" input shaft at the first event it went to. the original had help up till the low 11's, then let go, the replacement died the first weekend and the cryo has held up for years, exact same car, same setup, set et's and same weight. sounds like some proof to me- o yea, and its a daily driver too!

Re: cryogenics ? [Re: mbogina] #1223024 04/27/12 04:02 PM 04/27/12 04:02 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Quote: ... The cryo lifters appear to last about 3 times as long as the non-cryo in this application. That's definitely of interest to me...

Re: cryogenics ? [Re: mac56] #1223025 04/27/12 04:32 PM 04/27/12 04:32 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,142 Tucson, AZ C cruzin super stock
cruzin super stock C Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,142 Tucson, AZ	I had an assortment of parts including crank and block done about 8 years ago. A friend of mine offers this service and did my parts at the time to fill in and make a full batch. I don't have anything to compare to so I don't know whether or not the cryo treatment works or did not on my application. What my buddy did indicated when I was discussing this was the feedback he recieved from a company whom he did their brake rotors for. Apparently, the treated rotors would hold up much better than the untreated ones.

Re: cryogenics ? [Re: cruzin] #1223026 04/27/12 05:14 PM 04/27/12 05:14 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,698 NE Oklahoma V Von master
Von master V Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,698 NE Oklahoma	A member had his whole motor cryo'ed. Apparently it is not a good idea to cryo compressed valve springs. His valve springs lost pressure after a dozen or so passes, and some street miles. He talked with somebody (dont know who) and they said that due to being compressed when cryo'd it messed with the metallurgy...somehow. Take it FWIW.... 72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72. Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.

Re: cryogenics ? [Re: Von] #1223027 04/27/12 06:21 PM 04/27/12 06:21 PM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 592 Sullivan, Ohio M Max Wedge Savoy mopar
Max Wedge Savoy mopar M Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 592 Sullivan, Ohio	Quote: A member had his whole motor cryo'ed. Apparently it is not a good idea to cryo compressed valve springs. His valve springs lost pressure after a dozen or so passes, and some street miles. He talked with somebody (dont know who) and they said that due to being compressed when cryo'd it messed with the metallurgy...somehow. Take it FWIW.... When a part is chilled to those temps there is a change to the grain structure. I would further explain it but I'm afraid I would bore everyone.

Re: cryogenics ? [Re: Max Wedge Savoy] #1223028 04/27/12 08:09 PM 04/27/12 08:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376 D dogdays I Live Here
dogdays I Live Here D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376	Not me, but in college I was the only one who voted for Advanced Metallurgy as an elective! Thomas Schoonover, R.I.P. R.

Re: cryogenics ? [Re: dogdays] #1223029 04/27/12 09:03 PM 04/27/12 09:03 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,555 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy I Live Here
fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,555 Rittman Ohio	I had the gears in my Richmond street trans cryo treated and I beat the crap out of that tranny with an "old-school" Hays Pro-Stock clutch and bronze disc and it held up just fine Gus 7182344-mysavoy.jpg (32 downloads) 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: cryogenics ? [Re: dogdays] #1223030 04/27/12 09:08 PM 04/27/12 09:08 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 833 MN hemidup super stock
hemidup super stock Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 833 MN	I cyro'd every internal part in my engine, valves, springs, rod's, piston's, rings, bearings, crank, ARP main and head stud's etc plus the block. Cheap insurance. Jerry Williams.

Re: cryogenics ? [Re: hemidup] #1223031 04/27/12 11:22 PM 04/27/12 11:22 PM
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 319 jonestown,pa D dmking enthusiast
dmking enthusiast D Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 319 jonestown,pa	a friend is a machinest at tyco and their tooling lasts longer when cryoed. i asked if it is snake oil and he said it makes things last longer.

Re: cryogenics ? [Re: dmking] #1223032 04/27/12 11:48 PM 04/27/12 11:48 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,293 Rock Springs Bob_Coomer master
Bob_Coomer master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,293 Rock Springs	dang I never knew. could easy take my stuff to work and chryo them... dont know how long or how slow to bring the temp down etc.. I work in a ASU plant (air separation unit) we make Lox (liquid o2) LIN (liquid N2) and Lar (liquid Argon) by the tons... hmm... [color:"red"]65 Hemi Belvedere coming soon [/color] [color:"#00FF00"]557" Indy engine 1.07 60ft 144mph in the 8th 2100 lbs package [/color]

Re: cryogenics ? [Re: Bob_Coomer] #1223033 04/28/12 02:24 AM 04/28/12 02:24 AM
Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 198 west coast P produster member
produster member P Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 198 west coast	Liberty Gears, Liberty transmissions, cryos everything. I have not seen a failure in the trans that was caused by broken internals.

Re: cryogenics ? [Re: produster] #1223034 04/28/12 10:16 AM 04/28/12 10:16 AM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 656 Kokomo, IN 540dust mopar
540dust mopar Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 656 Kokomo, IN	I believe Bryant cryo's all their cranks.

Re: cryogenics ? [Re: dmking] #1223035 04/28/12 11:58 AM 04/28/12 11:58 AM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 671 Wisconsin USA B Bill MeLater mopar
Bill MeLater mopar B Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 671 Wisconsin USA	Quote: a friend is a machinest at tyco and their tooling lasts longer when cryoed. i asked if it is snake oil and he said it makes things last longer. I also have a freind that owns a machine shop that produces aircraft parts (extremely tight tolerances) and he's claimed that cryo treated tooling lasts as much as 5 times longer. Sort of makes me want to try it..

Re: cryogenics ? [Re: Bob_Coomer] #1223036 04/28/12 01:07 PM 04/28/12 01:07 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,401 Tucson, Arizona M MRMOPAR top fuel
MRMOPAR top fuel M Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,401 Tucson, Arizona	Quote: dang I never knew. could easy take my stuff to work and chryo them... dont know how long or how slow to bring the temp down etc.. I work in a ASU plant (air separation unit) we make Lox (liquid o2) LIN (liquid N2) and Lar (liquid Argon) by the tons... hmm... The process consists of slowly lowering the temperature to -320 over a period of hours, holding it at that temp for another time period, and then slowly raising it back to ambient. One of my friends here in Tucson had a cryo treatment business, but subsequently sold it. As I recall, it took over 24 hours to complete the process. 68 RR 528" INDY MAXX 07 2500 CTD Southwest International Raceway - IHRA - Tucson, AZ

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