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How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? #1199586
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I have a 73 Challenger with a 4.500 X 4.500 wedge engine.. 572 CUBIC INCH with Indy 440-1 heads ( cnc325).. MY 60 FOOTS ARE AROUND 1.57 and it launches like there's something wrong with it.. the Trans is NOT SLIPPING ( I think) and the convertor is one of those ALABAMA convertor company's $1000.00 dollar convertor... SPECIALLY MADE for my setup... Could someone PLEASE explain the "flashes" theory and also explain the " formula" for finding out which convertor to use???? I DO HAVE a DYNO SHEET for the engine...
Thanks in Advance,, Gary Oles nosboyracing

Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: nosboy] #1199587
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The car weighs 3270 without me in it and I weigh around 230-240.. Right around 3500 lbs with a DANA 60 with 4:56 gear... 32/14/15 meats at 9.5 psi...

Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: nosboy] #1199588
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Several ways are used, one is to put the tranny in high gear, manual shift valve body, and roll it along in high gear at or close to 1500 RPM, smash the throttle while watching the tach, the RPM the motors revvs up to is the flash RPM. I have a playback tach and it shows my 8 inch race converter to flash to 5200 in low gear, it will flash higher in high gear when I test it You can also test it in low gear by foot stalling it and then wacking the throttle while watching the tach, I'm more concerned on the low gear results and the RPM drop between gears when shifting than what it will flash in high gear BTW, my 518 C.I. pump gas motor in a 3450 Lb Duster with ET street tires runs 1.43 sixty foots on a good track Check your shifter cable adjustment I have seen that problem slow a lot of cars down, there slugs when the shifters are not adjusted correctly


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Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: nosboy] #1199589
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with everything warmed up, put it in high gear, watch the tach, and slam the gas as if launching (hold the brakes). the rpm should spike a couple of hundred rpm above stall (that's flash), and then almost immediately settle down to stall speed. the whole test should be done in just a couple of seconds. did your convertor supplier get the dyno sheet when building the convertor?


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Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: maximum entropy] #1199590
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my personal opinion----stop right now,get all your info together
and call ultimate converters--talk to lenny,he can steer you into
the right direction.
i had T/C problems--all the fast guys use him--prices are great,he helped me
i have a 500 PLUS cu B1MC pushing 1100 hp--i was not going to play around--lenny hooked me up
fast & friendly service

ross


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Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: ROSSIO] #1199591
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as far as the dyno sheet.. I filled out the build sheet and gave him the specs BEFORE the motor was finished and ran on the dyno.. so,, NO,, he never saw the dyno sheet.. but.. he did know the cam, heads, pistons, etc,etc etc...I was told by the builder to have a convertor around 500rpm HIGHER than "flash"... I have another convertor that my friend will give me to "use" to see what his convertor does,, but,, I THINK I NEED to send the DYNOP SHEETS to someone who builds convertors that knows what he is doing.... The guy in Alabama didn't take into consideration that I had a mid plate EVEN THOUGH I told him in the BUILD SHEET !!! The convertor "SNOUT didn't fit properly into the "register" of the crankshaft and I went as far as CALLIES ENGINEERING to prove the crank register was in the right place... I spaced the flex plate out .070 to take up for the thickness of the midplate and the convertor would have NEVER FIT if I didn't do that.. it would NOT sit flat against the flex plate because it was MADE WRONG from the start.. PISSED OFF at the convertor Manufacturer.. and I TOLD the builder that also !!!
The builder was MORE THAN HELPFUL and was willing to replace the convertor and have the convertor builder eat it,, but,, I didn't want to make a SCENE because the thing DID FIT with the .070 spacer on the crank to flexplate.. It was a FLIPPING NIGHTMARE.. !!! The convertor guy SUCKS..!!!

Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: nosboy] #1199592
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I don't know of anyone going fast with an Alabama torque converter. I learned my lesson. I have a Hughes that will slow any car down. Choose your company wisely.


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Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: Guitar Jones] #1199593
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Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: nosboy] #1199594
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Go see Lenny at ultimate, he will get you fixed up. I sixty foot better with a small block.


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Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1199595
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Dynamic converters can take care of you also. Talk to Frank Lupo. He's been racing mopars a long time and is very friendly on the phone.


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Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: kingdust] #1199596
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Dynamic converters can take care of you also. Talk to Frank Lupo. He's been racing mopars a long time and is very friendly on the phone.




Wouldn't wish him on my worst enemey, had one once went back three times and then gave up.


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Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1199597
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Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: nosboy] #1199598
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PTC I have there 9.5 non lockup 4000 stall in my 87 buick GN very satisfied excellent converter.In the turbo buick world PTC has the rep,as the best most all the fastest cars use a PTC. Sorry to hear you did not have good results with them

Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: Eric] #1199599
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I agree that you need to call Lenny too. He will get you what you need and it will WORK.

That Alabama deal sounds like a company that I got screwed over by a few years ago- GER in PA.

Anyone on the board remember them?

Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: actionange] #1199600
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see--told you------call lenny @ ultimate converter.
like the other guy said--NO to dynamic,i've had theirs,good work i will say--but their service and phone edicit is poor and their prices are wayyyy too high
look in the "fastest street car mag"--ultimate is everywhere.


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Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: ROSSIO] #1199601
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Have not had experience with Lenny so can't say but I have had very good results with PTC talk to Kenny Ford

Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: Dave64] #1199602
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I ran A GER A few years ago that I bought off ebay. It worked great but the part that slipped into the seal was to small or no prefectly round and I couldnt keep A front seal in it. I went through about 4 or 5 seals befor I figured out it was the converter. Now am running A Coan 8" and seems to be working really good with a 1.49 60' off the foot brake.


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Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1199603
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Dynamic converters can take care of you also. Talk to Frank Lupo. He's been racing mopars a long time and is very friendly on the phone.




Wouldn't wish him on my worst enemey, had one once went back three times and then gave up.


sorry to hear that. 2 of my friends I built motors for have his converters and no problems. My other friend has been running the same converter for 13 years in his duster and runs low 9s all day. Me, I run a stick! Lol.


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Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: kingdust] #1199604
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I also use Luppo's Dynamic converters and never a problem. I use his 9.5 converter for a street/strip car. Ron

Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: 383man] #1199605
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I also use Luppo's Dynamic converters and never a problem. I use his 9.5 converter for a street/strip car. Ron


Ditto


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Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: Guitar Jones] #1199606
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ATI,
ask Fletcher or Biondo,
you will be starting with a new update core not a 40+ year old core

Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: kingdust] #1199607
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Dynamic converters can take care of you also. Talk to Frank Lupo. He's been racing mopars a long time and is very friendly on the phone.




Wouldn't wish him on my worst enemey, had one once went back three times and then gave up.


sorry to hear that. 2 of my friends I built motors for have his converters and no problems. My other friend has been running the same converter for 13 years in his duster and runs low 9s all day. Me, I run a stick! Lol.




Yea a friand has one he got a sweetheart deal on and could not pass up. He hasn't had any problems, but I had nothing but nightmares, then I also heard a lot of good things about PTC and almost bought one. And it seems this person is having a bad time with them.


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Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: nss guy] #1199608
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ATI,
ask Fletcher or Biondo,
you will be starting with a new update core not a 40+ year old core


Lets see, all the Biondo family and Dan Fletcher race Chevys, don't they I have used one early Art Carr Also raced with the following converters with good results,A1, B&M, Turbo Action, Continental with good results and one early TCI Also one B&M 069J nine inch modified by Munsinger Lots of good choices out here, some bad ones also Choose with care


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ATI,
ask Fletcher or Biondo,
you will be starting with a new update core not a 40+ year old core


Lets see, all the Biondo family and Dan Fletcher race Chevys, don't they I have used one early Art Carr Also raced with the following converters with good results,A1, B&M, Turbo Action, Continental with good results and one early TCI Also one B&M 069J nine inch modified by Munsinger Lots of good choices out here, some bad ones also Choose with care




Yes they race chevy's
but I would think consistency/ lack of problems and wins/loses might be worth something
then again those guys are just lucky

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ATI,
ask Fletcher or Biondo,
you will be starting with a new update core not a 40+ year old core


Lets see, all the Biondo family and Dan Fletcher race Chevys, don't they I have used one early Art Carr Also raced with the following converters with good results,A1, B&M, Turbo Action, Continental with good results and one early TCI Also one B&M 069J nine inch modified by Munsinger Lots of good choices out here, some bad ones also Choose with care




Yes they race chevy's
but I would think consistency/ lack of problems and wins/loses might be worth something
then again those guys are just lucky


I would bet mooney that more races have been won with other brands of converters than have been with ATI There are a lot of good converter companys out there Just because a racer runs the decal and takes the contingency money doesn't guarentee that there using that product in there race cars Have you heard of Munsinger? He customizes a lot of Stock, SS and Comp Eliminator racers converters other than his own So do a lot of other converter guru and companys


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Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1199611
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Just because a racer runs the decal and takes the contingency money doesn't guarentee that there using that product in there race cars



truth!!


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Re: How do I find out where my convertor "flashes" at??? [Re: ROSSIO] #1199612
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my personal opinion----stop right now,get all your info together
and call ultimate converters--talk to lenny,he can steer you into
the right direction.
i had T/C problems--all the fast guys use him--prices are great,he helped me
i have a 500 PLUS cu B1MC pushing 1100 hp--i was not going to play around--lenny hooked me up
fast & friendly service

ross




Thats great to hear. I just bought a convertor from Lenny, They definately fast and friendly service. I haven't got it yet but soon!


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