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auto trans shifter question. please help. #1164558
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working on a 64 Fury. has push button transmission and someone put in a floor shifter and console. not sure what cable is in the car as I'm not incredibly knowledgeable about these earlier cars. I can't adjust enough to go into park. can this trans and this shifter work together? can this trans be "upgraded to floor shift" by adding correct valve body, or rooster comb, and or cable or some combination of parts? car belonged to a friend who passed away in an accident and his widow asked me to put the finishing touches on his project. it drives but have to start it in neutral and can't put in park. any info helps.

Re: auto trans shifter question. please help. [Re: krusemachine] #1164559
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Aftermarket shifters and cables take a different shift lever. I believe they are shorter. Take the cable out of the lever, manually put in park and then see where the cable hits on the lever. You might be able to drill another hole in the lever or find the correct lever.

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Push button trans have two cables. I think one is for gears and the other operates park.

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I know my 64 New Yorker definatly had a seperate cable and a lever. I beleive the lever horizontal was under the buttons.


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Re: auto trans shifter question. please help. [Re: orangedustya] #1164562
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I think it is a stock mopar shifter of the 60's? it has two cables but the one for forward gears won't go far enough to let the other engage park. the eye of the cable hits the ferrel before the park cable has traveled far enough to engage park.

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This is puuting it in neutral befor applying the park cable?
Can you adjust it?


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I can't get it to go far enough. the cable simply wont travel that far. it hits the cable housing before it gets far enough to push the park cable in. do I need a different cable or interna parts? I don't think this has the bump on the "rooster comb" or shift arm on the valve body to allow starting in park. can i get an aftermarket shifter for this tranny? it was origionally push button.

Re: auto trans shifter question. please help. [Re: krusemachine] #1164565
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I think it is a stock mopar shifter of the 60's? it has two cables but the one for forward gears won't go far enough to let the other engage park. the eye of the cable hits the ferrel before the park cable has traveled far enough to engage park.




If a PB cable was installed on the console shifter the end of the inner cable is too long to work with the console shifter. The correct console shift cable housing allows the end of the inner cable to travel into it. In the pic below you can see the differnce in the inner cable ends. (PB is at the top)

Also, the console shifter won't work with a PB trans, the PB valve body doesn't have the extra notch for Park so the manual valve bottoms out just past Reverse.

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Thanks for the pictures. Now, can I put a console valve body on this PB trans? seems like that would fix this whole situation. thanks for the replies. also I have a couple of cables. when i can get over there I'll see if one looks like that. would the column cars be similar? also, I think I saw a picture somewhere of a cable with some sort of spring loaded mechanism on the end I think to allow it to travel after the valve bottoms out. didn't make sense then but does now. anyone ever seen that or know who makes it?

Re: auto trans shifter question. please help. [Re: krusemachine] #1164567
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just found this. picture at bottom makes me wonder if the valve body and cable can be changed or if I need the whole transmission.

http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/transtech.html

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The early, pre 1961, cast iron torquefyte used a different shifter cable than the later, 1962 and up cars did. There are three different versions of the shifter and park cables also, 1962,63 and 64 push button shifters, 1963(maybe, not sure if they where offered in 1963) 1964 and 1965 console shifters and the last one is the 1965 colum shifters The valve bodys, cables, rooster combs and manual valves all need to match the last thing is the cable adjustment, take the trans pan off and watch the cable ends engagement in the rooster comb, I adjust the cable so the pin on the end of the cable will drop into the hole in the rooster comb easily in all the forward gears and in neurtral One hole in the retainer ring adjsutment can make the difference between having it adjusted properly or off a tiny bit Them early cable shifter trannys are a challenge


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Here's the transmission end of the cables, the cable end on the left with the wide groove is the console/column type and it does allow a small amount of over-travel when shifted into Park.

All '62-'65 valve bodies will interchange, so matching the shifter to the transmission only involves a valve body change.

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thanks everyone for all the great info so far? I'm learning about these great older mopars. I want to make this car user friendly for My buddies widow. anyone know where I can find the proper valve body at a good price? I have experience rebuilding GM transmissions so installation shouldn't be a problem.

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John, I have found that there are at least two different female ends that hook onto the rooster comb, the later console/column shifter cables ends used on the early push button rooster combs will allow the trans to not be in the gear selected all the way, depending if up shifting or down shifting. This can be DANGEROUS as well as damage the trans when it is driven mall adjusted to make it work part way


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Yes, the adapter that connects the cable to the roostercomb is different, the console/column adapter attaches with an E-clip while the PB adapter attaches with a nut. The hole in the roostercomb is a different size, so the PB adapter can't be installed on a console/column roostercomb.

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found this on E-Bay. looks like an option but not sure which valve body casting it is yet. Didn't bother to look when pan was off last summer. is it a major difference.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/220813125529?_tr...:IT&vxp=mtr

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Regardless of what the seller says that kit will not convert a PB valve body to console...the PB casting doesn't have the needed hole to allow the manual valve to travel into the Park position.


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Thanks. can I use a column cable on a floor shifter by removing the tab?

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Column cables are much too short for console shifters.


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Thanks for all the help. I think now I have a better idea what to look for and what to avoid. you've been great help thanks...Jason

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