Cant rotate it guiess the movement im getting is from colapse the short springs that hold shoes to back plate

BFH

Typically there is a ridge in the drum.Its about 1/4 inch.Thats where the drum dosent contact the shoes.They can be a bear to get off.You can grind the pin heads off in the backing plate and they usually come off.Ive had to pry some off.Use a few heavy screwdrivers and work them off.When I replace drums I usually cut the outer edge down a bit on the brake lathe.That way the ridge dosent catch like without the slight cut.Same thing when I turn drums.I cut that outer edge about .100 deeper than the drum is turned.Rocky

I just went through this very thing on a rear drum on a '71 Mustang. What I did there, and have done before, is take a cold chisel and cut the heads off the "nails" for the shoe hold-down springs (look at the diagram posted earlier). That releases the shoes to pivot on the upper anchor. Worked for me every time.

This is the sensible answer, suggested by several. You cut the heads of the nail-like pins and pull the drum as hard as you can. You may ruin the springs at the anchor pin attachment, but they can be replaced easily. I believe on my last one I used a two foot pry bar. Once the drum and whatever is stuck to it is off the car it's an easy job to get everything loose.

One warning: If you take the drums to a shop make sure that they take off a minimal cut. I've noticed many shops will set the cutter to either the maximum ID of a drum or the minimum thickness of the disk. No brains involved, plus next time they get to sell you a new drum or disk.

If you are sticking with drums I'd suggest Praise Dyno Brake as a source of better-than-stock brake shoes.

R.

Il give it a try next decent day im off
got a ? Thou... On the back the car has a sure grip ....going foward neither tire will roll but going backward the passenger tire will/did turn/roll backward is this cause of the sure grip not letting it turn from other hub stuck or is it just something in that drum only letting it turn one way?

You'll find that answer when you get the drums off.

Liquid Wrench, a crowbar, a sledge hammer and a little

The flame torch is a good idea too. You may have a raised rust ring on the center hub and that may be keeping it form coming off too.