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without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? #1160840 01/19/12 06:37 PM 01/19/12 06:37 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,846 poplar bluff mo. T toplescuda OP I Whine
toplescuda OP I Whine T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,846 poplar bluff mo.	I have 3 drums stuck 1 front 2 rear but one possible cause of suregrip?? Cause will turn backwards the front driver side i took wheel off and pryed the hub all around and it moves ok except the very top have pulled it on the paved driveway it just slides took the spindel nut off and can get the bottom to come out bout 1 inch or so but very top wont buldge 1970 barracuda convert. 1 of 59 1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink) 1971 charger 2015 hellcat challenger. Redline red 2014 quad cab 4x4 ram 8 speed hemi

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: toplescuda] #1160841 01/19/12 07:00 PM 01/19/12 07:00 PM
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mod5v mopar M Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 589 Fortworth TX	There should be slots in the backing plate to get at the adjuster. you need to back off the ajuster so the brake shoe dosent hang up on the drum.If the correct adjusters are in there u take a adjust tool or flat screwdriver and spin the adjuster up as you are looking at it from the backing plate.

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: mod5v] #1160842 01/19/12 07:17 PM 01/19/12 07:17 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O 70Cuda383 Too Many Posts
70Cuda383 Too Many Posts Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O	and if they're rusted to the flange...a little break free like PB blaster, WD40, etc. and a little heat can help. maybe a slide hammer too if you have the jaws to grab the backside of the drum. but back off the brake shoes first. they wear into the drum leaving a lip on the outside of it, which is why we turn the drums on brake jobs. as the self adjusters click "out" the shoe expands into the lip. gotta get the shoes backed off all the way to allow the springs to pull them back in, away from that lip. worse comes to worse, just yank them off if you plan on replacing the brake stuff anyway... Murphy: if it jams, force it. if it breaks...it needed replacing anyway! Photobucket sucks

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: mod5v] #1160843 01/19/12 07:22 PM 01/19/12 07:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,846 poplar bluff mo. T toplescuda OP I Whine
toplescuda OP I Whine T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,846 poplar bluff mo.	I sprayed pb blaster all in it cant get the adjuster to turn beat on it with hammer all kinds of rust fell dowthe drums are 11x3 all the way around do they make a 11x3 drum for front of 70 barracuda? 1970 barracuda convert. 1 of 59 1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink) 1971 charger 2015 hellcat challenger. Redline red 2014 quad cab 4x4 ram 8 speed hemi

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: toplescuda] #1160844 01/19/12 07:29 PM 01/19/12 07:29 PM
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70Coronet500Vert master Joined: May 2003 Posts: 8,430 St Charles MO	we've removed them with a 3lb sledge. It is really hard ot hurt a drum. If you snip the haed off the pins in the back, they will come off as an asembly No matter how responsible he may seem, never give your gun to a monkey! 1970 Coronet Vert 1972 Charger 1974 Satellite Sebring Plus Sundance 2001 Ram 4x4 2002 Intrepid 2006 300C

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: mod5v] #1160845 01/19/12 07:31 PM 01/19/12 07:31 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,846 poplar bluff mo. T toplescuda OP I Whine
toplescuda OP I Whine T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,846 poplar bluff mo.	The bottom and sides pull out away from the backing plate just not the top center what the heck is at top center to keep it from prying away from backing plate what if i unbolted the wheel cyl.? 1970 barracuda convert. 1 of 59 1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink) 1971 charger 2015 hellcat challenger. Redline red 2014 quad cab 4x4 ram 8 speed hemi

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: toplescuda] #1160846 01/19/12 07:34 PM 01/19/12 07:34 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Those things can be tough to get off sometimes. They do make a drum puller which helps a lot. Big sledge hammer has been used before by me to break them into peices. I think you should convert to disc brakes up front because front drums are gonna be hard to find I think. I converted my 71 from 4 wheel drum brakes, used spindles from a 73 E body that I used to own. I do still have the old 11" drums from the front but have never took them apart yet to check them out. What's crazy is my best new parts guy who I have known for a long time called me recently looking for those front 11" drums for one of his customers, he tells me he can't get them anymore?

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: Challenger 1] #1160847 01/19/12 07:50 PM 01/19/12 07:50 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,846 poplar bluff mo. T toplescuda OP I Whine
toplescuda OP I Whine T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,846 poplar bluff mo.	I dont want to swap to disc as the car is a number matching big block convertable want to keep it stock and save as much orignal stuff as possible 1970 barracuda convert. 1 of 59 1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink) 1971 charger 2015 hellcat challenger. Redline red 2014 quad cab 4x4 ram 8 speed hemi

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: toplescuda] #1160848 01/19/12 07:52 PM 01/19/12 07:52 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Rent a drum puller? If there's ridge inside the drum holding it on, than more than likely the drum is shot anyway. Good luck with it.

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: Challenger 1] #1160849 01/19/12 07:54 PM 01/19/12 07:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,929 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,929 Grand Prairie,Texas	With self adjusting brakes you have to use two screwdrivers to back the adjuster off. One to hold the self adjuster lever up away from the adjuter star wheel and another to turn the star wheel.

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: 70Coronet500Vert] #1160850 01/19/12 07:57 PM 01/19/12 07:57 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 4,723 Florida BDW master
BDW master Joined: May 2005 Posts: 4,723 Florida	Quote: If you snip the haed off the pins in the back, they will come off as an asembly This is your best bet, once it's away from the backing plate, you can dig out the stuck parts.

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: Challenger 1] #1160851 01/19/12 08:23 PM 01/19/12 08:23 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,846 poplar bluff mo. T toplescuda OP I Whine
toplescuda OP I Whine T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,846 poplar bluff mo.	What is at the very top that could be holding it???with the spindel nut off i can wiggle it up down and bottomand sides in and out from backing plate the shoes are on the sides so should be nothen top center i can move the hub up 1/4 inch or so just dont make any sence why sides move unless shoes not atached to backing plate any more from me prying 1970 barracuda convert. 1 of 59 1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink) 1971 charger 2015 hellcat challenger. Redline red 2014 quad cab 4x4 ram 8 speed hemi

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: toplescuda] #1160852 01/19/12 08:30 PM 01/19/12 08:30 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,043 State of Confusion hp383 Just a normal tag again
hp383 Just a normal tag again Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,043 State of Confusion	The shoes are probably still attached, but they are on a spring and pin. So you can pull them out about an inch, and it is just compressing the pin. As far as whats holding it at the top, its probably the two heavy springs that keep them pulled in from the drum. Join the Penguin Liberation Front!! Stop the Hippo Occupation!

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: toplescuda] #1160853 01/19/12 08:32 PM 01/19/12 08:32 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	It's the top post that each shoe pushes off of, it's attached to the backing plate.

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: toplescuda] #1160854 01/19/12 08:40 PM 01/19/12 08:40 PM
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toplescuda OP I Whine T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,846 poplar bluff mo.	Well least one of the pins not holding cause after smacking prying the lil disc thing fell out lol 1970 barracuda convert. 1 of 59 1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink) 1971 charger 2015 hellcat challenger. Redline red 2014 quad cab 4x4 ram 8 speed hemi

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: toplescuda] #1160855 01/19/12 08:47 PM 01/19/12 08:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,846 poplar bluff mo. T toplescuda OP I Whine
toplescuda OP I Whine T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,846 poplar bluff mo.	What if anything would happen if i unbolted the wheel cly? Its bolted from back side of backing plate corect? I cant remember now 1970 barracuda convert. 1 of 59 1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink) 1971 charger 2015 hellcat challenger. Redline red 2014 quad cab 4x4 ram 8 speed hemi

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: toplescuda] #1160856 01/19/12 08:49 PM 01/19/12 08:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,929 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,929 Grand Prairie,Texas	Wheel cylinder won't release the shoes. It is already retracted normally

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: toplescuda] #1160857 01/19/12 08:55 PM 01/19/12 08:55 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,043 State of Confusion hp383 Just a normal tag again
hp383 Just a normal tag again Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,043 State of Confusion	If you look in the picture, I think your trouble is with the "Anchor Pin" the one the heavy springs pull against. Join the Penguin Liberation Front!! Stop the Hippo Occupation!

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: hp383] #1160858 01/19/12 08:59 PM 01/19/12 08:59 PM
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johnzgarage mopar J Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 427 saint paul mn.	from the back side, grind off or drill the head of the pins that hold the shoe hold-down springs. Then pull .....shoes and all will come out.

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: hp383] #1160859 01/19/12 09:03 PM 01/19/12 09:03 PM
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bboogieart master B Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,886 Lost and Spaced	Quote: If you look in the picture, I think your trouble is with the "Anchor Pin" the one the heavy springs pull against. I am in agreement here. The shoes are probably still tucked behind the pin. Now that you have had some movment can you rotate the drums a little, and maybe they will let go. Don't be afraid to give it a couple good whacks with a 3 or 5 pound hammer. Like mentioned if the drums break they were most likely junk anyway. They can take a lot of abuse. I have mechanical Aptitude. I can screw up anything.

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: bboogieart] #1160860 01/19/12 09:33 PM 01/19/12 09:33 PM
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toplescuda OP I Whine T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,846 poplar bluff mo.	Cant rotate it guiess the movement im getting is from colapse the short springs that hold shoes to back plate 1970 barracuda convert. 1 of 59 1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink) 1971 charger 2015 hellcat challenger. Redline red 2014 quad cab 4x4 ram 8 speed hemi

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: toplescuda] #1160861 01/20/12 01:24 AM 01/20/12 01:24 AM
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radar top fuel R Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,682 Philadelphia	BFH

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: Challenger 1] #1160862 01/20/12 08:19 AM 01/20/12 08:19 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,071 Niles , Ohio T therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah. T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,071 Niles , Ohio	Typically there is a ridge in the drum.Its about 1/4 inch.Thats where the drum dosent contact the shoes.They can be a bear to get off.You can grind the pin heads off in the backing plate and they usually come off.Ive had to pry some off.Use a few heavy screwdrivers and work them off.When I replace drums I usually cut the outer edge down a bit on the brake lathe.That way the ridge dosent catch like without the slight cut.Same thing when I turn drums.I cut that outer edge about .100 deeper than the drum is turned.Rocky Chrysler Firepower

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: therocks] #1160863 01/20/12 08:34 AM 01/20/12 08:34 AM
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6PakBee I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,713 North Dakota	I just went through this very thing on a rear drum on a '71 Mustang. What I did there, and have done before, is take a cold chisel and cut the heads off the "nails" for the shoe hold-down springs (look at the diagram posted earlier). That releases the shoes to pivot on the upper anchor. Worked for me every time. "We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: 6PakBee] #1160864 01/20/12 11:57 AM 01/20/12 11:57 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376 D dogdays I Live Here
dogdays I Live Here D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376	This is the sensible answer, suggested by several. You cut the heads of the nail-like pins and pull the drum as hard as you can. You may ruin the springs at the anchor pin attachment, but they can be replaced easily. I believe on my last one I used a two foot pry bar. Once the drum and whatever is stuck to it is off the car it's an easy job to get everything loose. One warning: If you take the drums to a shop make sure that they take off a minimal cut. I've noticed many shops will set the cutter to either the maximum ID of a drum or the minimum thickness of the disk. No brains involved, plus next time they get to sell you a new drum or disk. If you are sticking with drums I'd suggest Praise Dyno Brake as a source of better-than-stock brake shoes. R.

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: dogdays] #1160865 01/20/12 04:27 PM 01/20/12 04:27 PM
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toplescuda OP I Whine T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,846 poplar bluff mo.	Il give it a try next decent day im off got a ? Thou... On the back the car has a sure grip ....going foward neither tire will roll but going backward the passenger tire will/did turn/roll backward is this cause of the sure grip not letting it turn from other hub stuck or is it just something in that drum only letting it turn one way? 1970 barracuda convert. 1 of 59 1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink) 1971 charger 2015 hellcat challenger. Redline red 2014 quad cab 4x4 ram 8 speed hemi

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: toplescuda] #1160866 01/20/12 07:34 PM 01/20/12 07:34 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,929 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,929 Grand Prairie,Texas	You'll find that answer when you get the drums off.

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: radar] #1160867 01/20/12 07:39 PM 01/20/12 07:39 PM
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dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation	Quote: BFH No ...a LITTLER one ... I have uNstuck a couple of these in a Dana 70 in the past couple of years. A short-handled 4? lb sledge has wurked-ferr-me.

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: Challenger 1] #1160868 01/21/12 07:27 AM 01/21/12 07:27 AM
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mcmopars super stock M Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,012 indiana	Quote: Those things can be tough to get off sometimes. They do make a drum puller which helps a lot. Big sledge hammer has been used before by me to break them into peices. I think you should convert to disc brakes up front because front drums are gonna be hard to find I think. I converted my 71 from 4 wheel drum brakes, used spindles from a 73 E body that I used to own. I do still have the old 11" drums from the front but have never took them apart yet to check them out. What's crazy is my best new parts guy who I have known for a long time called me recently looking for those front 11" drums for one of his customers, he tells me he can't get them anymore? i would convert to disc brakes also.keep the drums if you ever need them.there is no reason in the world not to have disc brakes,expecially on such a nice car.i would want all the modern stopping advantage i could get. Last edited by mcmopars; 01/21/12 07:30 AM.

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: mcmopars] #1160869 01/21/12 07:37 AM 01/21/12 07:37 AM
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Pyper70 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,902 Athens, Greece	Liquid Wrench, a crowbar, a sledge hammer and a little Family owned 1969 Charger R/T DualQuad 440/727/GVO/3.55s

Re: without busting the drum ...how to unstick them? [Re: Pyper70] #1160870 01/23/12 09:58 AM 01/23/12 09:58 AM
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70Coronet500Vert master Joined: May 2003 Posts: 8,430 St Charles MO	The flame torch is a good idea too. You may have a raised rust ring on the center hub and that may be keeping it form coming off too. No matter how responsible he may seem, never give your gun to a monkey! 1970 Coronet Vert 1972 Charger 1974 Satellite Sebring Plus Sundance 2001 Ram 4x4 2002 Intrepid 2006 300C

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