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vac advance on street car? #1145040
12/27/11 01:58 PM
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Hello, I've been reading a lot about the need for Vacuum advance distributor for a street car. But I swear 90% of the BB street builds I see have a MSD Pro Billet non vac advance distributor. So do I need the vacuum advance? This is a mild 500hp BB street build. Thanks

Re: vac advance on street car? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #1145041
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Hello, I've been reading a lot about the need for Vacuum advance distributor for a street car. But I swear 90% of the BB street builds I see have a MSD Pro Billet non vac advance distributor. So do I need the vacuum advance? This is a mild 500hp BB street build. Thanks




They do help for fuel mileage when your cruising

Re: vac advance on street car? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #1145042
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I can't recall the last time I hooked up a vac advance...


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Re: vac advance on street car? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1145043
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I can't recall the last time I hooked up a vac advance...




Then your wasting fuel.... Unfortunately most serious aftermarket ignitions are designed by guys with more race thinking than street thinking....


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Re: vac advance on street car? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1145044
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Hello, I've been reading a lot about the need for Vacuum advance distributor for a street car. But I swear 90% of the BB street builds I see have a MSD Pro Billet non vac advance distributor. So do I need the vacuum advance? This is a mild 500hp BB street build. Thanks




They do help for fuel mileage when your cruising





and part throttle response.

Re: vac advance on street car? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1145045
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I can't recall the last time I hooked up a vac advance...




Then your wasting fuel.... Unfortunately most serious aftermarket ignitions are designed by guys with more race thinking than street thinking....




If so it isn't much. The last 3 engines (2x440's) had curved and welded distribs. The Supercharged 440 in my 67 coronet netted me 12mpg w/ 3.91's doing 65-70mph or so over 50+ miles. The 340 swinger w/ holley 750DP and 3.55's got over 17mpg at 65-70 and this 440-6 build w/ solid roller cam avg'd around 12-13 putting (40-45mph) on back roads to and from the track (40+ miles) How much better would a vac advance be?

Re: vac advance on street car? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1145046
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i use them on my streeters. they make perfect sense, and are tunable. they help keep the combustion chambers clean and aid in fuel mileage. i used to be the "full centrifugal only" type guy but got away from that thinking years ago.

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Re: vac advance on street car? [Re: lewtot184] #1145047
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i use them on my streeters. they make perfect sense, and are tunable. they help keep the combustion chambers clean and aid in fuel mileage. i used to be the "full centrifugal only" type guy but got away from that thinking years ago.




how much does one want it to advance??

Re: vac advance on street car? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1145048
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total advance in cruise mode is around 52 degrees. this will vary depending how much advance is in the vacuum can. they are marked with a number. i've used 8,9, and 10 degree units. the 8 or 9 has worked best for me.

Re: vac advance on street car? [Re: lewtot184] #1145049
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Yep--I adjust to 52-54 total.

Re: vac advance on street car? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1145050
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Yep--I adjust to 52-54 total.




Is that too much for a 11:1+ motor

Re: vac advance on street car? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1145051
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Yep--I adjust to 52-54 total.




Is that too much for a 11:1+ motor




It might very well be too much, depending on what fuel you're feeding it. If you get any part throttle pinging then back off.

Re: vac advance on street car? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1145052
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I also build my eng more toward the race mode then a cruiser even though I cruise in it 99% of the time. I just have a mech only Mallory dist and it has full advance by 1800 rpm of 38 degrees. I dont think I would want 52 or so myself with my eng and if I was that worried about gas milage I would be in the wrong hobby. Course I think race mode and that is full throttle the vacum advance dont work anyway. Ron

Re: vac advance on street car? [Re: 383man] #1145053
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I also build my eng more toward the race mode then a cruiser even though I cruise in it 99% of the time. I just have a mech only Mallory dist and it has full advance by 1800 rpm of 38 degrees. I dont think I would want 52 or so myself with my eng and if I was that worried about gas milage I would be in the wrong hobby. Course I think race mode and that is full throttle the vacum advance dont work anyway. Ron




same boat here Ron. I run 93..I have mine in full at 2k (38*) The meth/H2O injection helps a ton under load, but it won't fog until vaccuum is at zero an at cruise my vac gauge is at 20+

Re: vac advance on street car? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #1145054
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Meh,

Haven't run vacuum advance in quite a few years now.

The last 318/360 headed motor that we pulled apart that I had run this way looked clean as a whistle on the tops of the pistons and would pull down decent mileage for what it was.

The 440 used to get 14-15 mph going down the Interstate at 70mph with 3.23 gears, .528 mechanical, headers and Holley 750.

Re: vac advance on street car? #1145055
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if you can use it, then use it. your MPG will be slightly better.

Re: vac advance on street car? [Re: mikemee1331] #1145056
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There was a pretty good thread about this a while back. Try a search.

Depending on how it is hooked up, can help with mileage, cooling, etc.


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Re: vac advance on street car? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #1145057
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It becomes a pain if you have advertised dura. at 300 or more.

Re: vac advance on street car? [Re: buildanother] #1145058
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It becomes a pain if you have advertised dura. at 300 or more.




Not really a street motor at that point now is it?


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Re: vac advance on street car? [Re: Supercuda] #1145059
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Mine was. Did a great job testing parked car alarms too.

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