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Hotchkis/Firm feel question #1144269
12/26/11 01:26 PM
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I have a Hotchkis TVS on my Dart GTS. It was amazing how much the steering "firmed up" with just the TVS installed but it is still too loose for my liking.
I don't run autocross (mostly because the closest place to run is at least an hour away)but I do want a more positive response from the box.
I read a few older posts on this subject that all went to a discussion about the fast ratio pitman arm from firm feel.
My question is, since that got changed out with the TVS how does the Hotchkis equipment work with a FF stageII chuck?
Would you use a stage2 or a stage 3 with this suspension if you don't race the car?
Any Hotchkis guys care to weigh in?
Also, when it is mentioned that "the feel is more like a newer car" name a car...does a stage 2 chuck on my Dart feel like an 06 Charger RT in terms of "stiffness" at the steering wheel? I have a stock steering wheel by the way.


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Re: Hotchkis/Firm feel question [Re: Darius] #1144270
12/26/11 06:21 PM
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I have a stage III in my Dart Conv. with stock diameter wheel. I think that would be fine. Especially with the stock diameter steering wheel. Not real stiff.

Most all people that I've seen get the stage II feel they could/should have go one notch stiffer at least.

So many factors like your tires, steering wheel diameter, and personalized preference... Very tough to make recommendations.

Re: Hotchkis/Firm feel question [Re: Darius] #1144271
12/27/11 12:31 AM
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I have the Fast Ratio idler and pitman arms on the Charger along with a stage 3 steering box. There is still some slack. My 2007 truck has none though. I wonder if it is possible to get zero slack and instant response from these old systems though. Case in point: Driving in a straight line at 45 mph I can turn the wheel a few degrees each side of center before the car responds. This is with a fully rebuilt suspension. NEW tie rod ends, bushings, ball joints, everything. Once it is past the slack, its great...

Re: Hotchkis/Firm feel question [Re: Kern Dog] #1144272
12/27/11 01:00 AM
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Quote:

I have the Fast Ratio idler and pitman arms on the Charger along with a stage 3 steering box. There is still some slack. My 2007 truck has none though. I wonder if it is possible to get zero slack and instant response from these old systems though. Case in point: Driving in a straight line at 45 mph I can turn the wheel a few degrees each side of center before the car responds. This is with a fully rebuilt suspension. NEW tie rod ends, bushings, ball joints, everything. Once it is past the slack, its great...




What about the coupler at the bottom of the steering column? That can wear out too...


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Re: Hotchkis/Firm feel question [Re: Secret Chimp] #1144273
12/27/11 11:09 AM
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Are you sure its not the steering box/k-frame flex causing the delay/slop?

Re: Hotchkis/Firm feel question [Re: dart1962_440] #1144274
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Are you sure its not the steering box/k-frame flex causing the delay/slop?




that would be my guess...I ran a stage 3 box,the fast ratio pitman, new coupler; new EVERYTHING, and there was is little slop stillright at the top of the wheel in either direction.

I had read somewhere that it could be eliminated by welding in some gussets to keep it from flexing, but I never tried.

Re: Hotchkis/Firm feel question [Re: charger] #1144275
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I think e booger had a cheap firm feel upgrade. Check other threads or Mopar Action. The k member stiffening helps. Mike


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Re: Hotchkis/Firm feel question [Re: HUSTLESTUFF] #1144276
01/02/12 04:26 PM
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What about this from firmfeel:

http://www.firmfeel.com/sectorkit_a.htm







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